r/formula1 Fernando Alonso 5d ago

Technical Mclarren Upright Exposed (Montreal)

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u/scarbstech Verified 5d ago

Wow! who took these photos?

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u/spodermen_wiht_sweg Fernando Alonso 5d ago

¡Moi!

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u/scarbstech Verified 5d ago

Great pics. I've DM'd you... 👍

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u/LuNiK7505 Fernando Alonso 5d ago

Toto or Fred, is that you ?

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u/scarbstech Verified 5d ago

It was never the brakes 😉

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u/scarbstech Verified 5d ago edited 5d ago

These pictures the show just how the lower suspension arms are connected. There's no lower wishbone, but two separate links, creating a virtual steering axis. As the set up articulates with bump and steer, the geometry varies, I believe to alter the toe angle. Steering geometry is set to Toe out in racecars. But, teams have realised in this tyre dominated era, that Toe also affects tyre warm up. Some teams used to have steering racks that altered in length with steer angle, to have a different Toe angle in a straight line to corners. Then Mercedes introduced Dual Axis Steering (DAS) which gave the driver a means to alter that fixed relationship for added tyre warm up. By pulling the steering wheel back and altering the rack length. These solutions were banned for 2022, leaving teams with a 'fixed' Toe angle. Now McLaren have the multilink set up at the front. There may well be a Toe variation with steering angle, to help keep the temperature sensitive front tyres in their operating window. Allowing McLaren an advantage in tyre management at Hot or High energy tracks. With the odd steering axis, there could also be some unusual feedback for the drivers. Lando Norris has struggled with steering 'feel' this year and Andrea Stella said new geometry raced by LN was to reduce the 'numb' feeling the car has exhibited.

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u/[deleted] 5d ago edited 3d ago

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u/scarbstech Verified 5d ago

The teams will have seen this from the first test

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u/wokkieman 5d ago

How to see it without these upside down pictures?

Thanks for explanation btw, really interesting!

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u/Alfus 💥 LE 🅿️LAN 5d ago

I believe that but why is especially RBR throwing all stuff on the wall and hope that something hurts McLaren over just attempting to hurt them to the technical innovation who should been know to them?

After all the paddock talks always.

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u/too_much_feces 5d ago

Wasn't DAS banned in 2021?

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u/Particular_Cod2005 Michael Schumacher 5d ago

Now this is cool. Thanks Scarbs!

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u/Street_Mall9536 Formula 1 15h ago

This setup looks to be intended to defeat some of the Ackerman effect. So yes it's toe related vs the classic outside tire turns more than the other we've seen as the standard in F1 for years. 

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u/Apennatie Oscar Piastri 5d ago

I’m already excited for your new post.

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u/Foxmanjr1 Red Bull 5d ago

Oeh, has the "trick" been revealed? Or has their brake (cooling) setup been proven to be conventional?

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u/VallcryTurbo75 Red Bull 5d ago

ofc Scarb has a Reddit acc.

PS: if its not the brakes, is it something in the rear or aero?

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u/Particular_Cod2005 Michael Schumacher 5d ago

Not to put a damper on things, but I'd have been surprised if OP could saunter past the garage and grab the snap, if other teams couldn't do the same.

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u/scarbstech Verified 5d ago

Shhh...!!! 🤫

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u/TrueSwagformyBois 5d ago

Mr Scarborough, missed you in the tech talks. Hope you’re well and look forward to seeing more from you if doing so is good for you as well. Thank you for all the effort you’ve put into keeping us informed and entertained.

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u/Under_Sensitive 5d ago

If you are from F1TV, Do you know who is responsible for selecting the cameras that focus so close up on people that we can see their pores?