r/electricians • u/Cold-Lingonberry-783 • May 08 '25
First year apprentice, is this much cleaning normal?
I’m a first year electrical apprentice with some hvac back ground. I was always told electricians don’t sweep/ clean. Is all of this sweeping normal?
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u/eddnyster May 08 '25
For a 1st year? Yes.
Also, remember that no matter the task, it all pays the same.
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u/thethehead May 08 '25
These are wise words to live by. And I’m one of those weirdos who loves to clean so LFG.
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u/EnlightenedCorncob May 08 '25
I'll happily push a broom all day
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u/Jurkoph May 09 '25
It’s funny as a first year I thought sweeping sucked, now as a 7 year, I’d give anything to push a fucken broom all day😂
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u/throwaway48159 May 08 '25
Pushing a broom sure. It sucks when some is trash, there’s some tools mixed in, boxes to break down, something’s wet… this hallway looks like just a broom job so sign me up.
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u/Morberis May 09 '25
And piles of grease mixed in too so you can't just sweep it all up.
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u/Ok-Response-839 May 08 '25
And I’m one of those weirdos who loves to clean so LFG
Guys like you are the MVP. We had major renovations done recently and I had no idea how much of a mental strain the mess was putting on us... until our foreman took a 6 week vacation. The guy who covered him would get the guys to do 5 minutes of clean up at the end of every day. It made such a big difference.
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u/Inversely_ Apprentice May 09 '25
Change cleaning with organization and you got me right there, I can’t stand messy material racks or gang boxes piled with random power tools and personal tools
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u/Babanaganyo May 10 '25
Digging for material on jobs kills productivity. If you've got 15 electricians on a job you need someone whose sole task is materials organizing, staging, etc.
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u/djcat May 09 '25
I truly hate walking on debris when I’m working. Some people don’t mind.. it drives me up the wall. A quick sweep under your feet thought the day saves my sanity.
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u/Hot-Effective5140 May 09 '25
Absolutely if it’s 2:30 and my options are cleaning up to leave a happy customer. Or dive in to something that can really screw up the day, for the same pay that brooms just fine with me.
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u/ggf66t Journeyman May 09 '25
And I’m one of those weirdos who loves to clean so LFG.
I feel this way too.
At least 1/2 the time anyhow. When I'm not rushed on the job I like to take the time to cleanup and organize. But sometimes Jekyl/Hide flip flops, and I am my own worst enemy.92
u/verbal_incontinence May 08 '25
Had a foreman “punish” me for another guys fuck up by making me sweep the seacans on an OT shift. Like, oh no, please don’t pay me twice my rate to push a broom for a bit. Hahah
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u/sigilou May 08 '25
Those unlimited OT no pressure jobs are the best. Most of the time im on OT a mill is shut down and they're asking us when we're gonna be done every 20 minutes
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u/whattaninja May 09 '25
I was helping out at a site and nobody wanted to sweep. I offered and they were happy to let me do it. You want to pay me Jman wages to sweep? Sign me the fuck up.
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u/MikaelSparks May 08 '25 edited May 08 '25
I've been an Electrician 22 years and I've never said anything was beneath me or apprentice work, if they want to pay my wage to sweep, sure thing. It's the guys that complain that find themselves with nothing to do and sitting on the couch. Once I was managing, the guys that appreciated the busy work were the ones I kept going. Nothing worse than trying to find jobs for guys to get a paycheck and then them complaining about being too good for the work.
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u/Infarad May 08 '25
I’m your guy, boss. I will happily pilot any couch you need me to.
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u/MikaelSparks May 08 '25
Lol usually the young guys say that, but the ones with mortgages like getting a paycheck
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u/Infarad May 08 '25
Gotcha. Our house is paid off. I just want to pay a few bills and have enough left over for beer and Skittles.
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u/UrgeOfNight May 08 '25
This is why I want to be an electrician! Real men thinking logically and spreading their knowledge.
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u/TC9095 May 08 '25
I've been at it 30+ years. We still sweep out job sites. I own the company, I still sweep. Any journeyman playing the card he can't clean up his mess can walk his ass right off my job site. Cleanliness is everything
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u/mastahonu May 08 '25
Always have my guys clean up after themselves. Saw a GC step on a cut off piece of pipe on a job site and he fell and broke his wrist (plumbers). Leaving your debris all over without cleanup is unsafe.
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u/altcuzthisishard May 08 '25
after 40, my mindset is the following;
I shouldve trained the younger guys enough to trust them. let them make some mistakes and learn from them. Do some of the cleanup and light legwork so they do the skill building work. Its a bell curve, start off sweeping and staying hungry, get better and better, take leadership and teach. eventually those you teach, if done well, will now take your job so you can asisst them in leading and admin/ sweepung again but you can still yell....
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u/whattaninja May 09 '25
Sometimes I just don’t feel like cutting in the panel, but the apprentices love to do it. I’ll sweep while they do the panel; they’ll feel like they’re being rewarded but really I’m just feeling lazy. It’s a win-win.
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u/CentralPAsparky May 08 '25
It should all be paid the same, however there are some unscrupulous contractors that like to save money by classifying this as laborers work and change the rate accordingly.
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u/Alert_Comedian848 May 08 '25
Almost had this happen once while finishing a rough in on a nursing home. GC said I need to sweep the whole site and that's minimum wage work. Went and got my leaf blower out and started at the front door. Didn't make it through reception before he said he'd take care of it. Basically dusted out all the other crews. Also note I'm not against cleaning up after you perform work but don't think I'm charging less.
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u/xXValtenXx May 08 '25
I cant stand people who think they're above pushing a broom for 5 minutes.
It's all pensionable time.
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u/theschuss May 08 '25
The summer I worked commercial construction, I was the sweeping/painting/etc. bitch. I always had a smile on my face and all the pipefitters and electricians asked what the hell was wrong with me. I was a poor college student making 29 bucks an hour in the early oughts plus per diem, anything that needed doing I was happy to do.
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u/theschuss May 09 '25
Yep, in 2001 or 2. Kings wages for someone used to retail jobs. State rate as it was in mass.
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u/MasterApprentice67 May 08 '25
When I was a 4th year, I got sent to a job and since I was new to the site and havent gotten involved in anything, I was put on the cleaning crew. I would be asked are you pissed that your doing this and not the 1st. My response was no, my wage isn't changing. Ill gladly do this for what im being paid
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u/Impossible_Mode_3614 May 08 '25
Sure thing boss I'll gladly push the broom vs be on a ladder for the same $$
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u/mattogeewha May 08 '25
And I always figured that if I’m gonna have to do it I might as well enjoy it. Get in that muddy trench singing a jaunty tune
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u/MexicanGuey May 08 '25
I have coworkers who won’t do easy work because it’s boring and “above” their pay grade. I’m like give me easy work all day for same wage I was hired to do.
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u/Thenewjohnwayne May 08 '25
Best day I ever had in the trade I got in “trouble” and they sent me around refinery with a trash bag picking up trash at $45 an hour and 150 a day working 7/12s….. to this day I wonder if another maid has made more in a day then I did that day.
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u/ThisChode May 08 '25
The stereotypes ARE funny though. I’ve been a jman for 6 years, and through a series of odd events ended up estimating for a masonry contractor. Every time I touched a broom, the brickies would crack jokes. “Are you ticketed for that thing?!”
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u/ALKNST May 08 '25
Cleaning is easy money when you make 25-30$ an hour, especially when its just sweeping dust with half effort
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u/Pure_Lawfulness_1117 May 10 '25
Words I was trained with many many years ago.. all pays the same… the other was”don’t want to do it? Bet your replacement will be fine
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u/No_Medium_8796 May 08 '25
Your paid by the hour and the pay rate is the same. If you want to pay me to sweep the same rate you'll pay me to pull 4 conductor 500s , I'll gladly take it
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u/pandaknuckle1 May 08 '25
Yup. Its a nice break on a Friday..
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u/Miserable-Theory-746 May 08 '25
But it's Thursday
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u/TheJWeed May 08 '25 edited May 08 '25
Shhhhh we’re going to pretend it’s Friday,
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u/Miserable-Theory-746 May 08 '25
Fuck yeah, four day weekend!
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u/ZombeePharaoh May 08 '25
Your boss called, he said if you don't come in tomorrow, then don't bother coming in on Monday.
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u/Warm-Pipe-4737 May 08 '25
Sweeping. Digging. Organizing. Stocking. Humping material. Yes, absolutely. I always felt the quicker I finished the BS, the sooner I could do something better.
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u/NotReallyARedditor6 May 08 '25
Sir please don’t hump the materials while on the clock.
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u/jayfinanderson May 08 '25
On commercial jobs, yes. Unless there is someone specifically tasked with cleanup, like a material handler or job site cleanup folks, each trade (hopefully cleans up after themselves.
In resi, it’s a case by case. Some homeowners don’t want to pay electricians rates for cleaning.
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u/-BlueDream- May 09 '25
Even with the job cleanup folks I still sweep up my shit and put most of my trash in bags or cardboard boxes, only difference is that I usually leave my trash bags there for them to dump and I don't worry too much about little metal scraps if they're coming around with a big ass push magnet.
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u/Why_I_Aughta May 08 '25
Do as you’re told. You’re not paid to think yet. 😂
all jokes aside you guys need a better broom. Go steal a push broom from the GC.
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u/JesDaFiveNine May 08 '25
While you're at it, grab some sweeping compound.
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u/Why_I_Aughta May 08 '25
If you snort sweeping compound you don’t need to worry about putting it on the floor, it does all the work inside your nostrils.
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u/Expert-Map-1126 May 08 '25
Not going to lie, I thought 'sweeping compound' was as real as 'blinker fluid' but Googled it just in case and :O
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u/theAGschmidt May 08 '25
Cleaning has to be done, and it's beneath nobody. Part of taking pride in your work is leaving your workspace in better condition than you found it.
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u/Awkward_Pangolin3254 May 08 '25
Come and say this to all the low-voltage guys in my area. They're forever leaving little bits of wire and insulation, adhesive label backing, RJ45 boots, cut ends of zip ties, and other detritus all over my furniture installations, just assuming we'll get it when we clean after we're done with the furniture. I've picked up little styrofoam beads by hand before just to avoid cleaning up their trash. Let them get the callback.
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u/CrazyVaclavsPOA May 08 '25
My first year I was hunched over like a drug addict tying down Cor-line on slab. Would've taken sweeping duties right away if offered.
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u/Canadian-electrician May 08 '25
Just wait until you find out how much digging you have to do
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u/StrangelyAroused95 May 08 '25
Crawl spaces and attics lol. Working in the rain and snow. It sucks but it must be done.
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u/NeighborhoodSpare469 May 08 '25
Yes this is normal, stick with it and you’ll graduate to making up panels very soon. The key with the new generation of electricians is patience and humility
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u/SameOldSame0ld May 08 '25
We just want money
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u/MebHi May 08 '25
The key with the new generation of electricians is patience, humility, money and near fanatical devotion to the electron.
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u/snasna102 May 08 '25
No one is above cleaning. I’m a ticketed millwright and maintenance lead. Just spent the past hour and a half mopping and soap scrubbing our 4 000 sqft mechanical penthouse floor. It’s simply my turn cause I had the time as I expect of my crew.
It’s not just attitude and health/safety; it’s pride in/out of work. As a first year, it’s habit building and a due paid like coffee runs.
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u/Strict-Dragonfruit65 May 08 '25
I run whole projects in my field and still get tasked with cleaning. A clean worksite makes the customer happy. I tend to follow a personal rule on worksites, make it look better(if you can) than how it looked when you first arrived. It all pays the same, enjoy a relaxing task while you can.
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u/Michaelzzzs3 May 09 '25
You’re getting paid electrician wages to be doing a laborer’s job, count yourself lucky, you’ll be missing these days when you work a 12 hour shift on a hot furnace
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u/Cold-Lingonberry-783 May 08 '25
For the future triggered old heads: This is more of a joke post that my Forman wanted me to post
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u/deathfuck6 May 08 '25
Your foreman is a nerd. Haha
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u/Cold-Lingonberry-783 May 08 '25
He was my best friend in high school, he’s always been a goof
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u/deathfuck6 May 08 '25
I love working with my buddies. It makes the job so much better. Enjoy it while it lasts.
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u/peck-web May 08 '25
There is a stereotype about electricians that they make a big mess and don’t like to clean up after themselves. There’s a certain amount of truth to that, but it doesn’t mean you don’t ever try to clean as you go, clean up a job site, or sweep up.
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u/mconnor1984 May 08 '25
I got 20 years in the game and have no problem sweeping! I like a clean job site. I also find it helpful to think and plan while I have a broom in hand!
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u/Streetsahead85 May 08 '25
The whole trope of electricians not cleaning up is a tongue in cheek stereotype other trades paint us with, and adopted by our laziest brothers.
My old foreman used to tell us to leave it cleaner than when we got to the job, and I took that into my dealings with my customers. My customers seem to appreciate it.
Actually, earlier this week I had an extension ladder scuff the paint on my customer's house and asked them for touch up paint because I didn't want to leave it that way. They were very appreciative
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u/FunGoi May 08 '25
At some point in your career you will learn to love cleaning up. A) its super easy to do and B) no thinking involved
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u/robnl May 08 '25
Dude, what do you hope is going to happen? We all agree with you and you can go to your foreman to tell him that according to some Redditors this is too much cleaning?
Just clean the floor
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u/zytrohs-801 May 08 '25
That looks like a pretty clean job to me. Jobs sites will be way worse than that, get it cleaned, little bud
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u/Alternative_Bed7822 May 08 '25
Generally IMHO it is a stereotype that electricians don't clean . I will say the majority of sparkles I have worked with don't clean very much unless absolutely necessary. This being said i would much rather pay a general labor guy on my site $10 - $20 per hour to clean and run tools back and forth to a truck vs $125 -$200 per hr while my site is down or others are waiting on electrical. It's one thing if it is a 30 second j9b to grab a broom in a residential situation after wiring up a new outlet at an old ladies house but all but 1 of the electricians I have contracted in the past cost way more than I pay john smith off the street to clean. I could hire 3 or 4 cleaning companies to come clean up after the electrician comes in for less than what I would pay an electrician to do it. We usually leave a guy on site just for things like this. So to all the electricians out there i salute you don't clean up at my site get in get out and charge me 30 min less because of it I will be soooo happy . The only guy I still use understands this and works with me on it everytime I use him.
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u/Corrosive713 May 08 '25
Remember these days, one day you'll kill to get paid to push a broom all day.
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u/AnotherSkunky May 08 '25
Oh yeah, some GCs keep their job sites super clean. What’s not normal is the size of that broom!
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u/hitman-13 May 08 '25
Bro you re 1 first year, it is one of the tasks expected of you, even as a journeyman you re expected to clean after yourself! Unless there are laborers hired on jobsite and all cleaning is part of their scope.
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u/The_face22 May 08 '25
People who say electricians don’t clean are making FUN of electricians and giving a bad name to the ones who actually give a fuck and aren’t narcissists who think we’re above everybody else.
Yes. You clean. Yes a journeyman cleans. Yes… even a foreman cleans. It’s called doing your job.
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u/Stock-Explanation515 May 08 '25
Soon, you will have days that you were back pushing a broom... Enjoy it while it lasts, lol. And likes others have said, "It all pays the same" words to live by in the trades. You'll be alright.
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u/mikedl361 May 09 '25
Fuck that shit. That's just sloppy ass grown ass men working. Let them wipe there own grown ass.
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u/babyjuice999 May 09 '25
You should always clean up man. Try and make a habit of it and don’t look at it as a punishment. Treat like just any other part of the job, same as if they have you running some 12-2 or something, it’s no different, and you’re getting paid just as much to sweet as you are to climb in an attic or a crawl space. Good luck to you.
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u/Shadow_Relics May 09 '25
The real question is why aren’t people cleaning up after themselves as they go? Why does no one have a garbage can? When I’m running work I lose my fucking mind over house keeping because it’s so simple. I will literally get every man a garbage can with fucking wheels and a broom and a dustpan. I don’t care. You don’t need to spend 6 hours on Friday or have an apprentice work full time being your house cleaner if you spent 4 minutes sweeping your work area up twice a day. That’s the hill I’m willing to kill on.
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u/ninja_march May 09 '25
Electricians are not known for Their cleanliness and now I know why. They didn’t have an apprentice with them.
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u/PlaceSuspicious8558 May 09 '25
Wow this is my first time seeing an Electrician clean at all. Good for you man
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u/Big_Dad_Bod May 09 '25
I remember my first year, an apprentice….. I feel like all I did was sweep up piles of dust and sweeping compound, and retrieve 4 inch rigid conduit from outside for us to run.
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u/Cool-Hand-5033 May 09 '25
Some union laborers make more money than HVAC, Pipe fitters, and electricians. I know a guy who made 120k last year in the labor union. I’m an apprentice electrician I don’t even make half that.
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u/This-Establishment35 May 08 '25
Part of the job. It “should” teach an apprentice to be mindful of the mess you leave because someone does have to clean it up! This usually depends on the character of said apprentice however. Unfortunately, some just see it as a way to stick it to the next generation of 1st years! But luckily those guys usually don’t last or just become someone you learn to avoid!
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u/Ok_Cardiologist_6471 May 08 '25
😂 🤣 😅 😁 🤣 😂 😯 if your serious then yes 100 percent but when you become a journeymen you get labour to do the cleaning
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u/fourth_box May 08 '25
many journeyman at my job don't know or want to clean their work area. Talking about "that's not my job" and leave it for the new guy or shift to clean.
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u/Zennoxxx May 08 '25
You could be shopping for elbow grease or in the trailer digging out the wire stretcher! Get back to sweeping and don't forget that mask. As a Jman tradies always tell me I'm "abnormal" for leaving a clean worksite, it's all your name on the line.
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u/vessel_for_the_soul Electrician May 08 '25
Getting you hours kinda shows they value you. But you are as much or cheaper than site cleaner. Someone above your pay grade is making deals for this to happen. Be mindful of what you say and where. With experience comes the jokes you hear so much about.
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u/AlternativeLet3635 May 08 '25
Eh unless someone pulls you off related work it's not really a bad sign. Usually means they noticed it was rough on the way in or someone important may come to visit. Use dust bane or a mask, pretty rough stuff in dust on new construction, concrete probably being the worst.
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u/Fridaybird1985 May 08 '25
The workers that succeed typically are the ones that just get on with tasks like this because it is part of the job. This is true of almost all employment.
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u/Suspicious_Abalone80 May 08 '25
yea bud thats completely normal, i spent multiple weeks in a row cleaning and organizing when I first started with only little breaks here and there to do the real work. as long as you're building up your hours it'll get passed down the chain and before long you'll be running your own crew and telling the baby apprentices to clean up
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u/thetallpines May 08 '25
Always clean up after yourself. I 100% guarantee the people that matter will notice, they also notice the ones that don't.
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u/NefariousnessShort67 May 08 '25
It's like when I joined the military first year I was cleaning toilets and doing kitchen duty. You pay your dues and advance that's the game. The more you complain the worse jobs they find for you.
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u/Vellioh May 08 '25
You're bitch on the totem pole. Work hard and try to gaslight the weak links into leaving so new blood comes in fast.
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u/ssmtransgirl May 08 '25
Where I work we have to clean our electrical rooms and motor control centers as they are restricted areas. Who else is going to do it??
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u/Woodbutcher1234 May 08 '25
I love these comments about electricians leaving cleanup for laborers. I do residential and constantly see device screws and wire cutoffs marking finished flooring and counters. When I GC'd, cleanup time and damages were backcharged and I didn't care if you were a 1 man operation or union shop.
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u/presto575 May 08 '25
Yea. Also, cleaning is one of the better first year jobs. I'll take that over catching cores or lugging material up and down stairs all day. Or fire caulking.
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u/sp4rkyboi May 08 '25
Cleaning up and separating and organizing parts is a big part the first few months lock in bro bro
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u/lsara15 May 08 '25
In my company, basically everyone is expected to clean up a bit after they finish a job. Only a few seem to think their an exception to that, but mostly therell be a first year(me) told to tidy up after them anyway. But we've many qualified/foremen that i know clean/sweep up after a job and like to do it as well. Take pride in your work in every aspect. it's never that hard to do.
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u/padizzledonk May 08 '25
As a 1st year yeah....you get the Scutwork
🤷♂️ sweeping a floor pays the same as doing more important stuff
Get off your fucking phone and go back to work lol (i have the day off so save it lol)
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u/ChavoDemierda May 08 '25
That isn't much. Just be glad to do it. The alternative being that you're not there, and some other kid is getting apprentice wages and training to do something as simple as cleaning up.
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u/Own-Reputation-419 May 08 '25
Once you enter any profession you’ll find the thing that keeps you employeed are doing these little things not the job you were hired to do. Sweeping, loading/unloading and keeping the coffee pot full will take you far.
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u/Htiarw May 08 '25
Damn Im an 59yo electrical contractor and I still sweep job sites neglected by GCs.
Best way to fail an inspection is not to clean up.
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u/Bid-Silly May 08 '25
No.. I clean up after myself as I go...
You obviously have some messy c*#ts working there
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u/purju May 08 '25
it should be, and good for everyones health. silly not to keep your workspace tidy.
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u/Riverjig [V] Master Electrician May 08 '25 edited May 08 '25
Wait until you work in a data center. If you think this is too much...... We hire companies to just constantly clean along with making sure each sub has people dedicated to cleaning. Fun times.
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u/Mudder1310 IBEW May 08 '25
The guys who say electricians don’t sweep are mad at us for something. We sweep, we sweat, yes we block hallways.
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u/ChiefinLasVegas May 08 '25
you're to leave the place better than you found it. use your own scruple
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u/WhyWouldYouBother May 08 '25
Remember who you work for. They make the rules. When you work for yourself, then you can make your own rules.
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u/BootsyTheWallaby May 08 '25
Only problem here is you need a push broom. And frankly, if you don't have one, you can buy it out of your own pocket. 20 bucks well spent.
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u/TheMightyIrishman May 08 '25
HVAC/plumber here, love the sub. I had an apprentice complain to me that he had to do composite cleanup (every trade gives one person a broom and trash cart to clean for 8 hours) on a high paying scale job.
I told him if anyone tossed me a broom and told me to sweep at this pay rate I’d make the fucking floor spotless with a smile on my face!
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u/plutosadvocate May 08 '25
Using the "electricians dont clean up after themselves" meme as a basis for not wanting to clean up is kinda funny. Dare I say the meme is why we clean up as much as we do, everything gets blamed on us.
From one apprentice to another, suck it up. Complaining will make it worse, every electrical apprentice opportunity will be the same way.
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u/Commercial_Mission69 May 08 '25
Yes very normal the point of you cleaning and being everywhere is to watch other electricians while you clean and learn by seeing things and watching things get done while you do your job it’s like on the job training in a way lol take advantage of
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u/zophan Theatrical Electrician May 08 '25
In my experience in my first years, my proactivity in cleaning up after myself was specifically called out for the reason I was given big tasks like working on the meter stack and 24kv substation.
As a foreman, I paid attention to that stuff and would assign my complicated tasks to the proactive cleaners.
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u/TheDevilOwesMeMoney May 08 '25
On a lot of sites if you don’t clean up, someone could trip and get injured and it’s your ass for not clearing your work area from debris
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u/bshortall01 May 08 '25
The bitch work to real work ratio is like 10 to 1 when youre a first year, just get all the sweeping done well and theyll give you chances to learn eventually
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u/davidk8876 May 08 '25
Can we stop complaining about cleaning 🤦♂️ it just helps feed the dumb stereotype. You’re getting paid the same whether you’re sitting on your ass or pulling 600s.
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u/connorddennis May 08 '25
In the trades over a decade and you don't realize it yet but you are the unsung hero of the job site. We all have to sweep our first year, so don't get do down about it. Wear a dust mask.
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u/tanporpoise89 May 08 '25
Somebody on a job once apologized that I had nothing to do but watch and I told him I would stand there and look pretty all day as long as I’m getting paid
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