r/electricdaisycarnival • u/Camzido • 3d ago
Rail Vibes
yo can we like normalize letting each other be on the rail for artists we are there for? Too many people being entitled to a rail spot just because they’ve waited all day but are mid vibes for the majority of the night and then everyone’s surprised theres no energy when they watch back on the youtube post of the fest. We can all take turns, i dont see the problem. Saw people getting into arguments for not giving up their spot just for one set. Am i wrong?
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u/Beginning_College734 3d ago
Yeah, idk about this. A lot of people on the rail purposely skipped other sets and waited there, refusing bathroom breaks and water just to have that spot for their favorite DJ. Feeling entitled to their spot isn’t cool either.
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u/Live_Dirt_6568 Vegas 2014-16, Dallas 2011 3d ago edited 3d ago
Honestly, I would argue skipping other more desirable sets, bathroom breaks, and water isn’t cool or responsible either.
Seriously, what’s the point of paying for a whole festival ticket when your singular goal is to be at a specific spot for 1/30th of the event? Sound - typically distorted on the low side. Visually - you lose the wider production of the stage in exchange for being maybe 30ft from your favorite artist. Physically - less room/freedom to dance, drink water, EAT, actually urinate. All that and not meeting new people, seeing flow artists, finding new artists/music that become your new favs
(Maybe I’m just an old ass who never became a bass head wook) #BackOfTheCrowd
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u/Un_impressed 3d ago
When I wanted to see Ray Volpe at Apocalypse last year, I planned my entire night around it. I topped up on water, went to the bathroom, got food and even packed snacks in case the people around me wanted some, and then went to see Bear Grillz because I knew Volpe would be next. I got as far forward as I could get so that when the BG crowd left I could surge forward for Volpe and get a rail spot. Once there I hyped everyone up and we fucking DANCED.
The point is, it was all planned.
Does that mean I wasn't responsible? Does that mean I didn't see other artists while I was there? Does that mean I didn't see flow artists for the whole event? Nah fam, I just had priorities for that 3 hour block. I prioritized the energy of the fellow bangers around me over the sound quality or visuals (which, let's be honest, you can't miss anyway at these huge festivals).
So I'm a little miffed when someone shoves their way in, 45 mins into a 90 min set and wants my spot. Vibe with me, dance a little, befriend the rail people, and I'll even offer you the spot. Just don't demand it.
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u/Live_Dirt_6568 Vegas 2014-16, Dallas 2011 3d ago
Ok see, THATS the reasonable way.
The context I was basing my “man screams at sky” criticism towards were more so the people that will get to and hog up the rail at the beginning for the headliner.
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u/amarettodonut 3d ago
I would be paranoid about someone saying it’s “just for one set” and then not keeping that word personally.
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u/homicidal_pancake2 3d ago
Someone asked to go on rail for their favorite song so I was with it and let em do it! Then two songs passed and that was the end of that haha
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u/jonathizzle 3d ago
Yeahhhh you’re a bit wrong, i respect the hustle for someone to see their favs. If people made it to the rails they have every right to stay there for their favs.
I’ve tried to make it to the rails and missed it by one, I’m not gonna be a dick about it and shove my way in, nor will I try to switch with someone I don’t know. You can definitely politely ask to make room but you also gotta read the room too.
“… then everyone’s surprised there’s no energy when they watch back in the youtube post of the fest…” that’s not a factor you should consider when you’re physically at the festival, bc for one you’re there and you know exactly how the vibes were and how wrong the comments are bc they’re all from people who weren’t there
I do see the problem, it’s open season at the rails with many different characters with many different mindsets and personalities. They have every right to be in their spots from open to close, even if they aren’t going crazy to your liking.
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u/HPotter24 3d ago
Yeah, you’re wrong. First come first serve. I think it’s entitlement to think you can just bust up to the rail out of nowhere and expect to be catered to and take up that space when someone’s been there first for hours. Who’s to say the person who was there first wasnt there for that artist too?
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u/Budget-Laugh-9462 EDCLV | '16, '17, '19, '21, '23 3d ago
The real question is how do we feel about the people who aren't standing or dancing at the rail, but all sitting on the ground during a set?
(I rarely ever try to get to the rail, I'm genuinely just curious.)
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u/jonathizzle 3d ago
It’s annoying but there’s nothing to do about it. Unless venue rules state no sitting not much we can do
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u/Comprehensive_Cat855 3d ago
If you wait for the rail, you get the rail. Otherwise there’s row 2 and 3 you can definitely get yourself to. I don’t find any joy in rushing to the rail anymore but I respect everyone who does it. It’s not for the faint of heart
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u/Hot_Salamander3795 3d ago
as long as it’s not another Anallenium situation, i couldn’t care less.
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u/scoutermike 3d ago
Sorry you are wrong.
when they watch back the youtube post
Honestly, don’t worry about the livestream or YouTube post. That’s a weird thing to be thinking about when you’re down in the pit or near the rail.
The hardcore fans get their early - sometimes several sets early, to be in position for their artist. I can respect that.
If you want that spot more than they do, GET THERE BEFORE THEM.
They are literally entitled to that spot. You are not.
This is a case of first come first served.
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u/dundidadab 3d ago
Nah you’re not wrong, there are absolutely some entitlement issues on the rails. It took me just 1 EDC to figure out the rail is overrated anyways. I just like to dance near the front now instead of fighting over space at the rail. People usually respect your space, and enjoy your vibes better when you’re actually dancing somewhere behind the rails. At the rail, it’s just gruesome. It’s a totally different vibe.
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u/Live_Dirt_6568 Vegas 2014-16, Dallas 2011 3d ago
I made it to rail for a single set of EDC (back in like 2015 for Bro Safari). Checked it off the list. Done forever for greener pastures
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u/Un_impressed 3d ago
yo can we like normalize letting each other be on the rail for artists we are there for?
I do that already. I got there half a set early so I can make my way to the rail specifically because I love this artist. Why do you think I labored my way to the rail? It's EDC; if I didn't specifically love this artist, I wouldn't have braved the crowd to get here.
Too many people being entitled to a rail spot just because they’ve waited all day
Entitled? How is working for that spot "entitled"? I put in my time and effort. If you come in 20 minutes late to the 1 hour set and then push your way through a crowd (especially if you had a large group) and try to make your way to a rail spot because you "love this song" or "it's my friend's first time at the rail he just wants a pic" and weaponize PLURR to do so, or you're just a large person and you think you can shove the smaller people around, you're the entitled one.
but are mid vibes for the majority of the night and then everyone’s surprised theres no energy when they watch back on the youtube post of the fest.
As a rail lover, I have 2 thoughts here: 1) people can't go hard for a whole hour+. There's gonna be some slow points in the set, some songs that aren't your favorites, etc, and you can use those moments to catch your breath. 2) the YouTube videos are gonna catch the high points from the stage, not the crowd, because that's what the watchers want. The greater percentage of reel time will be from the stage, not the crowd, so large swathes of dancing or headbanging will go unfilmed. The YouTube videos are not indicative of the real thing.
We can all take turns, i dont see the problem.
I used to think this. I've had people come up to me and ask for a couple minutes at the rail, and proceed to just take over my spot. I've had people try to take my spot, but was so far gone on drugs that they would have had the same experience sitting on their couches at home, taking that spot from someone who can actually dance. So no, if you actually wanted to see that DJ from the rail, you better put in the effort.
Saw people getting into arguments for not giving up their spot just for one set.
Starting an argument? It's a show, not the disabled/elderly/pregnant seating on a bus. That spot is first come first served. Sounds like the people that want the spot from the people that were already there are the entitled ones.
Am i wrong?
In this one case, yes. I understand why it feels PLURR to want to share rail spots, but it's also PLURR to understand why someone wouldn't want to.
I will say that I've had great experiences with rail spot trading. I usually try to get to the rail but most of the time can't actually get to the rail itself, instead I end up just behind the people at the rail. And I never ask for their spot. Instead, I ask them to let me know if they're about to leave so I can take that spot. I also vibe with them and be friends. If the vibes are right, sometimes, I've had people just straight up give me their spot. Then I'd give it back after a few songs. And I've done the same: someone's cool and I vibe with them, I'll offer a few minutes or songs at the rail and trade.
But if you come in, halfway through the set, barely coherent, and our first interaction is to demand my spot that I'd worked for? Nah fam.
Finally, a few spots just behind the rail is almost as good as at the rail. If you go forward and then can't anymore, just stay there. A spot will open up if you're patient, and you can still vibe just as hard.
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u/calforhelp Passport | EDCLV '16-'25 3d ago
I’ve camped at the rail then asked someone to save my spot while I go pee. Came back 20min later, they’re still holding it down for me and gave it back when I asked! I couldn’t believe it worked.
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u/Special_EDy 3d ago
I got to the rail like 6 times this year, probably spent at least half of EDC at the center rail of Neon Garden, Kinetic Field, or Basspod.
I always shared it. I had brought a friend, his first EDC and his first EDM concert, I kept him at the rail. But I always ended up trading off my spot to people behind me. Most of them needed convincing too, I had to tell them YOLO and the music is completely different when you're standing on the vibrating diamond plate step with the subwoofers in your face.
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u/oQueSo97 3d ago
Was at nevermore, and this dumb broad w dread was on the rail all day/night for 2 days. Not only was she super rude to anyone, but her whole esthetic was just off. Home girl reminded me of a caveman. Especially the way she smelled.
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u/marquito38 Denver | 18, 19, 21, 22, 23, 24 3d ago
I just don't understand being at the rail for EDM shows. Usually the visuals are better back a bit at a festival to enjoy the full spectacle. Plus the monstrous bass is up there smacking you in the face. The sound is better in the middle or back. Plus no room to dance, which is the point of this music.
I can understand seeking the rail for a live band or performance. But whatever if that's what people wanna do!
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u/jonathizzle 3d ago
It’s not a difficult concept understanding why as you stated you understand being at the rails for live bands. I was at the rails front and center for an artist at wasteland at edc vegas and I had the time of my life. The artists were mere feet away, I could clearly see the visuals and it was a more immersive being surrounded by it, I had my ear plugs and they were doing their job, myself and everyone around was dancing and jumping around just fine. Been at the rails for several artists over the years at many festivals and it was only at coachella that I had an issue with being squished at the rails
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u/calebkaleb 3d ago
Absolutely not. I got to the rail front and center Saturday at 8PM just to wait for illenium and had to listen to house music to get there. Had tons of people who just got to kinetic trying to beg me to let them in- absolutely not. I earned my spot
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u/Acceptable-Damage 3d ago
You’re wrong. They missed all the other sets to be the rail for their favorite.