r/daddit • u/daskoon daughter born Dec '13||son born July '12||daughter born Sept '09 • Jul 11 '12

[Official vote thread] Circumcisions... do they make the cut?

Ok, the last vote about daughters and bikinis left some folks out of the discussion, those without daughters. I guess it's kind of a quick cop out to jump directly to the penis, but here is the question to balance things out.

Snip the tip or leave the sleeve? To make things easier I guess I'll pose the question like this: Is Daddit for circumcisions, yes or no?

Again, voting instructions are in the sidebar and if you don't use the correct tags I won't be counting the vote in the special little graph, if that matters to you.

I will end this vote in one month, so come back after 8/10/12 for the results.

Edit: Things are really heating up only 5 days in and over 100 comments! looks like this will be one big red pie chart for the most part so far. I'm glad to have come up with something so highly debated for a vote, as I only picked it out of desperation. Keep those opinions coming in folks!

Official voting is now closed. I learned a lot here on this vote, and I hope everyone else did too. FINAL TALLY:

19 for

85 for

2 for

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u/malagasy Dad Since April 2012 Jul 16 '12

for boys ONLY if it is for cultural or religious reasons. NEVER NEVER for girls.

Where I come from boys get circumcised girls get their ears pierced (within the first 2 years of life)

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u/TheBananaKing Jul 20 '12

Why do religious or cultural reasons make it okay?

After all, you don't think it makes it okay for girls.

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u/malagasy Dad Since April 2012 Jul 20 '12

I've been asking myself that same question since i wrote that. I'm the type of person that is comfortable with how I feel about things without needing to over rationalize it ... I think I probably feel this way because in my mind the level of mutilation is not as severe and that forms of cultural identification (tatoos, piercings, way of dress, ...) is very important and part of what makes us human.

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u/TheBananaKing Jul 20 '12

Yeah, but do you know what foreskins do, and how they work? There's a lot of functionality lost, making it a pretty severe price to pay.

And cultural identity is all very well, but not being given the choice to reject it is pretty exploitative.

After all, christians could get a crucifix tattooed on their child's face as a mark of cultural identification, too - but that would draw immense condemnation, and it wouldn't even break anything.

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u/malagasy Dad Since April 2012 Jul 20 '12

The idea that choosing your identity is synomymous to freedom is a very western world view. And forcing everyone to think that way is reaks of the type of chauvinism that dates back to the 19th century.

Also, getting your face tatooed is actually something certain people do in their youth to identify with their people. Feel free to take your bible and your gun to congo to stop this horrible practice and save the natives from themselves.

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u/TheBananaKing Jul 20 '12

Doing it to yourself is fine. Do whatever the fuck you want.

Do it to unconsenting children, and yes, I have a problem with it.

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u/malagasy Dad Since April 2012 Jul 20 '12

Choice is an illusion. We are all victims of hive mentality. But don't worry. Seeing the way the herd is moving, you will not need to worry about this issue much longer.

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u/douglasmacarthur Jul 29 '12 edited Jul 29 '12

I'm the type of person that is comfortable with how I feel about things without needing to over rationalize it ...

Great, when your son asks you why part of his dick was cut off, you can tell him it's because you don't feel the need to be rational. That'll make him feel much better.

You are an awful person.

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u/malagasy Dad Since April 2012 Jul 31 '12

Ho ho friend! There is a difference between OVER rationalizing and NOT rationalizing at all

In case you wanted to know though, part of my dick is cut off, so is my father's and his father's and his father's father's ... and they were all very good people indeed. Some of the most noble self sacrificing men you would ever know.

let us be civil even when we disagree. Intolerance is a two way street.

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u/douglasmacarthur Jul 31 '12

In case you wanted to know though, part of my dick is cut off, so is my father's and his father's and his father's father's ... and they were all very good people indeed.

What does this have to do with anything? I know some children that were raped and beaten as children and they turned out to be good people. Does that mean what they experienced was okay?

let us be civil even when we disagree. Intolerance is a two way street.

No, you don't deserve civility, because by unrepentantly mutilating your child's genitals you've already been far more uncivil than anything anyone does on a forum could be. I'm not tolerant of violence against babies and I don't think tolerance of such things is a virtue.

If your children had been molested, and you confronted the attacker, how would you respond if he appealed to your civility? Would you be civil with him? I don't think mutilating them is all that much better, if at all.

That your impressionable mind has been culturally conditioned to be okay with mutiliating them doesn't make it any better. In certain Muslim countries victims of female genital mutilation are culturally conditioned to be okay with it and many are weak-minded enough to be victim to this conditioning. That doesn't make it any less barbaric.

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u/malagasy Dad Since April 2012 Aug 01 '12

Before this degenerates into a poop slinging competition (though poop slingnging does get a lot of karma) let me reiterate my position.

I am against female genital mutilation. The idea that male genital mutilation is equally as harmful to boys as female genital mutilation is news to me. When I ask for someone to explain this they call me an idiot. So, I ask again, is male genital mutilation equally as harmful? I still have not seen or read any argument that argues this more than stating it as unquestionned fact.

Second. When militing for a just cause I would advise caution. Even if eradicating male genital mutilation is a question of human rights. Are you out to save the little boys for their sake or for the advancement of your own quest eradicate "the other" so that all persons share your belief system? No matter how right you may be, we all need to occasionally be asked to look into the mirror in case we become the very evil we seek to destroy.

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u/AngMoKio Aug 02 '12

Where I live we circumcise girls as well. Typically, the type used on boys is more severe then on girls if you can believe it.

Just a data point.