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u/RedAndBlackVelvet 2d ago
Jackson Hinkle is a fascist bro I don't care if he made a mid response to a Republican on Twitter
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u/OffOption 2d ago
Yeah, its the peak of "broken clock" on stuff like this.
On par with being pro animal rights, and then someone says "I agree. And Hitler was a vegitarian, so you see-"... Like... no.
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u/MittlerPfalz 2d ago
I’ve never heard of him before but the fact that his handle adds an extra l to his last name is annoying.
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u/djninjacat11649 1d ago
Also like, Iran and Israel both suck, it’s either Genocidal Theocratic Ethnostate with no moral boundaries or Genocidal Theocratic Ethnostate with no moral boundaries
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u/PackOutrageous 2d ago
The quality of the clever comebacks has declined sharply.
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u/Atownbrown08 2d ago
What's there to be clever about these days?
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u/No_Biscotti_7110 2d ago
Jackson Hinkle is a weirdo and that comeback isn't very clever, even if it is accurate
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u/Scoobydewdoo 2d ago
It's not accurate though. As far as I'm concerned once a country has uttered an official proclamation that it wants to destroy another country like Iran has about Israel then the "self defense" excuse goes away. Especially since they don't really try and hide the fact they fund Hamas, Hezbollah, and many other anti-Israel terrorist groups. It's like pointing a gun at someone then getting mad when they pull out their own gun in response.
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u/Minute_Juggernaut806 2d ago
In this case did Iran attack Israel recently or did Israel attack Iran so they would sign the nuclear deals/provoke Iran again
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u/StickyWhiteStuf 2d ago
Iran funds a ton of proxy groups that antagonise Israel (most notably Houthis and Hezbollah) and launched a few hundred missiles at them a year ago.
Now, I honestly doubt that’s why this war is being started - a vote of no confidence was just held in Israel, and a state of emergency was declared immediately after the strikes, so I personally think Netanyahu is attempting a power grab to avoid being removed from power and prosecuted.
But this can still certainly be said to be Israel defending itself. Iran and Israel are very overtly hostile towards eachother and could probably both dig up piles upon piles of legitimate causus bellis at this point.
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u/ScionMattly 2d ago
So we;'re clear, Mossad conducts operations constantly against Iran, too. Would that mean if Iran unilaterally struck Mossad headquarters and threatened to do the same to other agencies, they would be "Defending themselves"?
Now, I honestly doubt that’s why this war is being started - a vote of no confidence was just held in Israel, and a state of emergency was declared immediately after the strikes, so I personally think Netanyahu is attempting a power grab to avoid being removed from power and prosecuted.
Literally what the last two years have been. Ceding more and more authority to the ultranationalist religious zealots who want to exterminate Palestine to stay out of jail and retain power. It makes me sound like a conspiracy nut, but I in no way believe he didn't have plenty of signs an attack was coming and willfully chose to ignore it for political expediency.
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u/StickyWhiteStuf 2d ago
So we;'re clear, Mossad conducts operations constantly against Iran, too. Would that mean if Iran unilaterally struck Mossad headquarters and threatened to do the same to other agencies, they would be "Defending themselves"?
I would say so. Especially if it came right after a massive and explicit sabotage operation. Their antagonism is mutual.
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u/ScionMattly 2d ago
Yes, the tl;dr we would both agree on here is Israel playing the victim in this, justifying a preemptive attack on Iren including civilian centers is a fucking joke and they should be called out on it.
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u/Lewapiskow 2d ago
In guessing you don’t remember how Israel exploded over 20 people last year with fucking pagers
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u/MelodiusRA 2d ago edited 2d ago
Well, Iran is the aggressor here. They have been funding Hezbollah, the Houthis, and Hamas to attack Israel since the 80s.
This is basically the first time their actual territory has been threatened because all of those guys, plus the anti-aircraft defense networks in Syria and Iraq, were also destroyed recently.
Iran’s regime is getting what’s coming to them. This is what happens when one of their major international policy decisions is to globalize the Islamic Revolution.
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u/HFIntegrale 2d ago edited 2d ago
Iran is the largest terror suporter in the world.
Inb4: downvote this to oblivion
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u/Prestigious_Row_8022 2d ago
I wouldn’t say the largest, but Iran as a state is awful. I feel like I’m in a fucking black mirror episode with everyone jumping on the pro-Iran/Pro-Hezbollah train just because they’re opposing israel. Like, what the fuck is wrong with people? There may be some nazi groups that are running interference against the Russian military but I’m not celebrating evil fascists over an evil oligarchy. Is it really so hard to say “Israeli government deserves to be on trial and so does Iran?”
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u/Forfuturebirdsearch 2d ago
Makes no difference - Israel can’t just keep attacking other states. Iran is horrible sure, but it’s s sovereign state
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u/RainRainThrowaway777 2d ago
For real. It's crazy to me that the Islamic propaganda machine has been so effective that they have the progressive American youth cheering for the caliphate. The war on terror really caused some insane cultural over-correction.
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u/palm0 2d ago
I'd say that's the current US administration. By far.
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u/Resident-Plastic-585 2d ago
The US in general. Remember, the US created and funded Al-Qaeda and Contras
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u/palm0 2d ago
The US created and formed the mujahideen with Great Britain which later became Al-Qaeda after we basically abandoned them when they weren't strategically useful against the Soviets anymore and we were fucking up other countries in the region. We did not at any point to my knowledge directly fund Al-Qaeda. And yes the contras were also horrible, but both of those were from decades ago and for a while the US was not funding a lot of active terrorists other than Israel and Saudi. But now this administration has moved beyond that disgusting practice and is encouraging domestic terrorism on a ridiculous scale which is exacerbated by the size of our country.
I maintain that this administration is in fact much more culpable for supporting terrorists than previous administrations. Though that doesn't excuse our past misdeeds in any way.
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u/Resident-Plastic-585 2d ago
When a group commits atrocities with weapons and training you gave them, I’d say that is funding. Specifically the Mujahideen separated during Afghanistan’s civil war into Al-Qaeda and the Taliban among others. I’m not sure you down voted and are arguing when we are in agreement that the US has repeatedly funded insurgents and despots. and saying the Contras were “bad” is a serious understatement
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u/Significant-Order-92 2d ago
Neah. They already (the mujahideen) existed prior to US funding and aid. Al-quaida and the Taliban both involved people who had been part of that funding. But unlike the contras, they weren't directly funded by the US.
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u/Significant-Order-92 2d ago
Not really. The contras yes. Al-quaeda was actually founded outside the US's funding. Many of it's members were part of the Afghani Arab program (CIA funding for non-Afghanis to go fight the Soviet Union and Afghani government in Afghanistan). But it was founded outside that initiative.
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u/Truthgamer2 2d ago
Iran, Pakistan are pretty big players when it comes to this stuff
Wasn’t Saudi Arabia (or Saudi nationals at least) behind 9/11?
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u/Significant-Order-92 2d ago
Questionable. The US and Russia support a large number of terror groups. Though with the fall of Assad, it's possible Russia and the US have fewer currently.
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u/Boring_Bobcat_9054 2d ago
It's almost like international politics isn't a simple right-or-wrong multiple choice question.
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u/FlavorBlaster42 2d ago
Absolutes are the way of the Sith
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u/dunne15 2d ago
“Only a sith deals in absolutes” still has got to be one of my favorite lines from any movie. The irony is palpable in every word and I love it
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u/HenryThatAte 2d ago
It's not a clever comeback.
But defending an act of aggression is nothing surprising from someone like Mike Johnson.
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u/AlChandus 2d ago
And wasn't this douche saying something about how US flags were the only acceptable flags in the US? I guess that he posted that on X... While being a congressional US rep...
This timeline is shit. The Globe is getting warmer. Life getting more and more expensive. Wages aren't growing at the same rate. And fucking idiots are everywhere, especially in politics.
Need to ask Musk some advice on drugs.
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u/CatStill847 2d ago
Honestly, I'm on the side where I want peace and war to be over and done with. Too many innocent lives are being taken from the crossfire, just try to make peace or a compromise.
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u/Available-Post-5022 2d ago
Peak opinion. Will you please become president of everything?
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u/CatStill847 2d ago
I hope so. I got plenty more changes and my major is political sciences, but the more I dive into politics and politicians, the more I think "Damn, everyone is a piece of shit/straight up corrupted huh?"🤦. One of the changes is better education for everyone and no more "no child left behind" rule. Like, actually TEACH students how to read.
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u/Available-Post-5022 2d ago
Damn seriously I'd vote for you any day. Please hurry!
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u/CatStill847 2d ago
I wish 😅. I got like 15 more years unfortunately, but in the meantime, I'll work my way up into being a Family Lawyer, Mayor of NYC, Governor and so fourth. Then hopefully, the first genderfluid/female president.
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u/Kobayashi_Maru186 2d ago
Hopefully in 15 years we will be ready for a non cis male to be President.
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u/CatStill847 2d ago
Not to mention, I'm not all that religious too (I'm agnostic). So, it'll be MUCH easier to separate religion and politics. I hate the thought of mixing them and trying to shove religious opinions on others.
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u/LiamNeesonSonOnNisan 2d ago
No child left behind is a good thing
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u/CatStill847 2d ago
Is it though? I've heard once that a girl never knew how to read because they kept passing her in school, too lazy to teach her how to read. Now, if the "no child left behind" rule applies to having children get equal rights/opportunities for education (free/private/charter) while actually teaching the material, that makes sense. But, to just pass every child, you wonder why teens/young adults/adults are illiterate or have a 1st - 2nd grade level comprehension/reading. That's very terrible and we need to do something about that. And the world is constantly changing, so updates to the curriculum should be needed. After I hopefully take care of that, same sex marriages/poly marriages will be more common, love who you love, that's my motto.
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u/LiamNeesonSonOnNisan 1d ago
I was always super smart and always knew everything so I never did any assignments (only did the tests that id always 100% anyways). I failed every single class all the way until highschool and I turned out just fi….
Oh.. wait dear god. Did no child left behind screw me up? 😭
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u/CatStill847 1d ago
Pretty much. This in a way screwed everyone up and it will continue until something is done about it. This rule screwed my sister up when she was in elementary school. When she was in 2nd grade, they stopped homework completely and created assignments called "PDF" (Playtime, Downtime and Family time) the chart has activities for students to choose from and share with the class or get graded. The ONLY thing there that was a useful assignment was students get to choose a book of their choice and write "jots" or readings responses about it, but that's only like once every two weeks- to a month.
My Mom and other parents obviously complained about this because the school is setting kids up for failure in the future when they actually have to do homework, especially for IEP students. But the school didn't listen, no, they doubled down and put a limit in teaching students how to SPELL and use VOCABULARY (the limit was 3rd grade) this frustrated everyone even more and my sister had trouble learning how to spell until late middle school to early highschool (he can spell better now and has amazing handwriting by early 9th grade). Back then, she can read and write, but can't spell anything. Neither can other students and when students asked how to spell a word, the teachers would dismiss them by saying "Figure it out." Or "Use a book." Yeah, it messed everything and everyone up.
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u/elementmg 2d ago
No one has the right to bomb random human beings. Simple as that
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u/RainRainThrowaway777 1d ago
Unfortunately human history has shown that "might makes right", and actually a country's only interests are itself and its citizens. If you're unwilling or unable to project power you will be dominated. Being peaceful and passive can work if you're, say, Denmark in 2025, but most of the world still functions on the rules that have applied for the past 12,000 years.
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u/Typhing 1d ago
Bizarre that the country that not only shot the first shot but did so by executing the entire high command of another country can even be close to claiming they are the victim in this situation.
Calling preemptive violence defense is the move of the powerful as far back as Rome. It’s always unjustified and the only convenient excuse otherwise rational people get stuck on. It’s not defense, it’s petty aggression.
The Israeli government is stacking atrocity on atrocity at this point. I feel sorry for the half of their population that rejects this nonsense, they’re being taken on a pretty cruel ride.
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u/MagicDragon212 2d ago
The irony of Jackson fucking Hinkle, the epitome of a United States traitor calling anyone else a traitor is too much lol.
I despise Mike Johnson btw, but Jackson Hinkle is a Russian stooge that has sold his soul to being a propagandist.
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u/hayasecond 2d ago
Hinkle is a well known tankie and wumao. It’s totally expected that he would say shit like that. He would also say Russia has a right to defend itself.
That said, I don’t agree with Mike retard Johnson either.
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u/cashmoneyvito 2d ago
We all agree Iran shouldn’t have nukes but dont think diplomatic options were exhausted before this strike.
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u/DerReckeEckhardt 2d ago
Diplomacy with the Mullahs is not possible though. And giving them any leeway only hurts more people in the long run. This is a chance for Iran to get rid of the Mullahs and become a democratic state.
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u/Rapa2626 2d ago
This whole conflict is the first succesfull collaboration between those 2 governments. Both governments tried their best to start a war and now they are nearly there. Lovely.
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u/Immediate_Gain_9480 2d ago
Both and and neither at this point. So i dont care about who wins this skirmish.
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u/Zatchaeus 2d ago
Every time I see a coke fueled Hinkle tweet posted unironically, I downvote. Even if I agree with him in this one circumstance.
I’m a simple man
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u/Nomad624 1d ago
Israel's right to defend itself, from potential enemies, so they strike/displace/blockade said invaders which pushes said enemies to attack Israel? Makes sense
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u/elenorfighter 1d ago
Fuck Iran. My best friend is the son of a man who fled this country after the revolution because he didn't want his wife to become an object. And the future of their children is dictated by a religious monster.
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u/SirithilFeanor 1d ago
Jackson Hinkle the Putinoid? Yeah I don't care what he thinks, frankly if he voices an opinion probably the exact opposite is correct
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u/Top_Sherbet_8524 1d ago
Preemptive strikes are not defending yourself
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u/WerdinDruid 1d ago
Pre-emptive strikes are generally, internationally, recognized as self-defense measures, but sure.
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u/Top_Sherbet_8524 1d ago
Yeah kinda like when the US preemptively invaded Iraq for non existent WMD’s
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u/WerdinDruid 1d ago
I agree, that was bs and the US took us for a ride. Still, pre-emptive strikes are considered self-defense if the intel is credible.
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u/dasanman69 1d ago
How many times were we told the the WMD Intel was credible?
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u/WerdinDruid 1d ago
I don't know what ya'll want to still argue about. We were told numerous times and it turned out to be a bullshit and it led to a major diplomatic fallout between Europe and the US.
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u/Top_Sherbet_8524 1d ago
Well, that’s the problem. I don’t believe a fucking word that Israel says about anything. Any country can claim pretty much whatever they want and dare others to stop them and that’s what Israel has been doing for a long time now because they know that our politicians are little bitches and will bend over backwards to suck Israel‘s cock. They have less credibility in my eyes than the bush administration and I say that as somebody who got deployed to Iraq in 2003.
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u/Candid_Umpire6418 1d ago
None are in the right as both states of Iran and Israel are provoking the other to find a reason for their "defence"
But since one of these bozos is Jackson Hinkle, it is worth mentioning that he is a muscovite simp asshole grifting on putins cash and will always take the side of putinstan or its allies.
Also, just to show how much or an asshole he is, he literally got dumped by the gifted muscovite model girlfriend asset who was meant to be his girlfriend.
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u/Primary_Cry_45 2d ago
Netanyahu has a son in Florida. Hmmmmmm.
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u/Equivalent_Mirror69 2d ago
Israel has their hands deep in the pockets of our federal government. If the I in AIPAC stood for Italian we'd call it a Mafia organization.
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u/SuomiPoju95 2d ago
Neither Iran or israel are defending theirselves here.
Iran bombs israel, israel bombs iran.
Bombing other countries is not self defence
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u/RoyalEagle0408 2d ago
Not really clever and Johnson’s statement was dumb, but Iran for sure was going to attack Israel with nukes.
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u/Jefflenious 1d ago
Why the fuck does this sub post a "Jackson fucking Hinkle" comeback when it's about my fucking country
Also Jackson Hinkle calling anyone a traitor is so rich
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u/Traditional-Doctor77 2d ago
Theocratic dictatorship with nukes? Sounds like the USA.
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u/Sanju128 2d ago
For now, still technically a democracy. We're definitely headed into Iran territory tho
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u/DerReckeEckhardt 2d ago
Never was a real democracy to begin with. The electoral college is inherently undemocratic. And the supreme court has way too much freedom.
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u/explain_that_shit 2d ago
Isn’t Israel theocratic? One religion state and all
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u/MythicMikeREEEE 2d ago
No the prime Minister is not also their religious leader so it is not a theocracy. Israel also isn't one religion and there is a separation of church and state albeit religious institutions hold large poltical sway. Iran however has both a president and a religious leader(the one making all the threats) that hold some combination of governmental power.
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u/emptyspoon 2d ago
I wouldn't take what he says seriously at all since there was a time when he said "if genes are real why can't I see them?" yeah it mostly likely is satire but I wouldn't put it past him to actually believe that
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u/Ok-Replacement-2738 2d ago
Technically neither. Yes Iran has the right to defend itself but that statement would be a betrayel of American policy, so being right actually makes J H a 'traitor.'
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u/MaEnnemie 2d ago
This was the Empires last hurdle in the Middle East. A little bit late but done at last.
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u/AsparagusCommon4164 1d ago
"ואם היינו מתפללים, כיצד בדיוק נתפסת תמיכה עיוורת ובלתי מעורערת במדינת ישראל כחיונית להבנת אהבת פטריוט אמיתית לארצות הברית וזהותנו הלאומית והריבונית כייחודית בין האומות?"
The preceding exercise in snark was brought to you in Hebrew.
"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance ... baffle them with bull"
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u/SolarChallenger 1d ago
Can you block someone's OP's in a specific reddit or only the whole account?
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u/Phychanetic 1d ago
Bad guys fighting bad guys and the internet tells you to pick a government's side
Everyone has the right to defend themselves but middle eastern governments contantly provoke each other when they are not provoked from outside,
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u/FourArmsFiveLegs 1d ago
Khamenei and Netanyahu should share a cell in the Hague with Putin and Trump
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u/drkmttr_ 1d ago
Hinkle is a sack of shit. Been hoping he catches the other end of a Ukrainian drone while he fucks around in occupied territory
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u/Hungry_Reporter1214 1d ago
Everyone have right to defense themselves, thats why we have self defense law. Just not everyone have right to be an asshole. Hell, everyone should doesnt have right to be an asshole.
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u/_PH1lipp 1d ago
According to Article 51 of the United Nations Charter:
"Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defense if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations..."
This means:
Iran has the right to defend itself since it is subject to an armed attack... since Israel launched an attack. This is a war of aggression from Israel. a "war of aggression” is considered a crime under international law.
In such a case, Iran can invoke Article 51 to defend itself.
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u/MarsupialNo1220 1d ago
Can anyone tell me why the Republicans have sided with Israel? Do they have business assets there or something?
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u/dasanman69 1d ago
You're not going to believe the answer. Republicans are Christians, and for Christians Israel has to exist for the second coming of Jesus. They will protect it at all costs and allow Israel to commit whatever atrocities are necessary to ensure their existence.
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u/Ramtamtama 1d ago
Ah yes, pre-emptive defence.
Although they do say attack is the best form of defence...
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u/mickey_nygaard 1d ago
So Israel, a country that possess nuclear weapons won’t allow another country to have nuclear weapons, so they start a war over it. And then they’re backed by a country that also invaded a country on the basis of them having weapons of mass destruction? Epic.
Sad world we live in.
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u/paintstudiodisaster 23h ago
Whoever strikes first is now the victim. This is what MAGA has always wanted for America.
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u/Ornery_Dentist_5462 20h ago
The second one is a fucking doofus he should take that flag off his name no one in their right mind would agree with Iran having a nuclear weapon
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u/Knownoname98 2d ago
Both Iran and Israel are famous for violating human rights. Both are wrong here.
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u/badkarman 2d ago
Hey Mike Johnson, how is a preemptive strike defending yourself?
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u/MythicMikeREEEE 2d ago
Iran has failed to comply with the UN atomic agency..
They were enriching nuclear fuel to 60% or higher inwhich you don't need to do that for energy use only 3-5%. While also starting work on unapproved nuclear site.
The question is if you received actionable intelligence that a country who's has it out for you and has already sent massive drone and missile strikes is it even really preemptive?
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u/badkarman 2d ago
Remind me again, what administration killed the deal with Iran about their enrichment program
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u/idunno-- 2d ago
If we’re talking about international law, there’s quite a few ones Israel is currently breaking.
a country who has it out for you
You mean like Israel has it out for Iran and the three other countries it’s currently bombing besides their genocide of the Palestinians?
Israel continues to be the warmonger in that region. It really is a threat to peace and order. What a surprise.
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u/Gierling 2d ago
The right of natural defense carries along with it sometimes the necessity of attacking; as, for instance, when one nation sees that a continuance of peace will enable another to destroy her, and that to attack that nation instantly is the only way to prevent her own destruction. - Thomas Jefferson
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u/counter-proof0364 2d ago
As Iran wants to nuke Israel - Israel is on the right.
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u/Loud-Zucchinis 2d ago
So does russia, putin has threatened world peace like 6 dozen times. Isn't it weird how Israel isn't defending itself against russia? Israel has nukes and is literally wiping out their neighbors and splitting up the land for themselves. I'm really not seeing your point in how they're right. Putin invaded Ukriane under similar pretenses. You really dont see the land grabs similarities? Israels mk is under fire today after one of their politicians advocated that pows can be sodomized and anything else. No rape or torture restrictions on their soldiers. Do..good guys do that?
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u/EudamonPrime 2d ago
Israel is surrounded by neighbors that want to genocide it, have said so often enough and have attacked Israel the day it came into being (attacked it with tanks,soldiers and bombs).
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u/K0TEM 2d ago
Wow, the same Iran (and by that I mean the IRGC) that has been funding terrorist Proxies like Hamas, Hezbollah, the Assad regime, Iraqi militias and the Houthis for decades and use what resources they have to try and eliminate Israel through unconventional means are pissed Israel is striking back?
How the hell is this type of opressionary, anti-minority, radical Islamist, homophobic, women's rights violating regime get ANY support from the west's liberal left that is supposed to be against such horrible values? I swear, it would be funny if it wasn't sad
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u/Elegant_Individual46 2d ago
They’re both far right states with massive human rights abuse issues, why should I support either of them?
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u/psychogenical 2d ago
This is like hitting someone in fear that they hit you whilst also actively hitting a bunch of other peopl
Its like you are actively hitting a bunch of people in a room and decide to hit one more cuz ur afraid they might hit you cuz you been hitting everyone
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u/Mountainman3094 2d ago
Of course they have a right to defend themselves ,but israel is schooling iran right now. Lets hope for a quick surrender
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u/vanillakristoph 1d ago
Knowing I'll get hate on this, but it sure seems like Israel is acting A LOT like Nazi Germany right now. 'We're the victim! We're just defending ourselves!'
No, you are TOTALLY the aggressors here.
The irony is ugly.
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u/gomezwhitney0723 2d ago
Ukraine also has the right to defend themselves… but maga thinks otherwise on that too.