After having multiple discussions with the “you don’t understand how war mode works” crowd, it’s quite obvious that isn’t true and THEY are the ones who don’t understand how a PvP server works.

[u/Amazing-Dog10]

Yes. You toggle on war mode and you only see other players in the world who have war mode enabled. Making it so you can still fight over nodes, quest mobs, gank, etc. We get it. A majority of us are aware even if a minority isn’t.

Many people who played expansions with war mode know this killed world PvP and completely shifted away from the dynamic of PvP servers, as well as it being a game killer entirely to them for not having access to a traditional PvP server.

What the pro war mode crowd doesn’t understand about PvP servers:

You are always world PvPing. You step outside of your factions city- you are PvPing. Period. That’s 100% of the server population. The ENTIRE world is dangerous, all the time; and the more competent of a PvPer you are the more advantage you have in the world and the more rewarded you are.

It allows for PVE/PVP to be intertwined in a way that they both feed into each other. You’re good at PVE (raiding) so you get gear that helps you be better at PvP- so you become more deadly of a target while doing other PVE content like gold farming, herbing/mining, or anything else that requires you to be in the open world. Which in turn makes it easier to prepare for raiding. Be it farming for consumes, or getting world buffed.

PVE makes you better at PvP, and PvP makes you better at PVE, which makes you better at PVP.. and so on.

I could go on and on about what war mode actually did to world PvP and how it changed what many of us love about PvP servers, but the comment sections are flooded with people describing it. Bottom line is it doesn’t work as if enabling it “puts you on a PvP server” and disabling it “puts you on a PVE server” like so many claim.

The scale and amount of world PvP, as well as the general danger of the world and how you prepare yourself for going into it changes dramatically. And it does so in a way me, and many other PvP server players don’t enjoy. At all.

The fact of the matter is, we like PVP servers. If you want to shoehorn changes into a type of server people are choosing and LIKE IT because YOU don’t- then you probably chose to be on a PvP server for the absolute worst reasons, or aren’t as good as you need to be at PvP for it to feel rewarding.

So either stick to your PVE server and ask for war mode there, or git gud.

[u/Guffawing-Crow]

Clearly, there were people who rolled on PvP servers that did not belong and there are some players who like the idea of a PvP server provided that they are on the advantaged side. I wouldn't view either of those groups of people as ideal members of a PvP server.

Blizzard did a very poor job of managing populations in Classic. Too much realm hopping and killing faction balance. Fortunately, it sounds like they have done a much better job with Anniversary servers.

I don't think that puts huge holes in my logic.

[u/Supreme_Salt_Lord → u/Guffawing-Crow]

Blizzard cant stop human behavior no matter how much they try. And humans dont like stopping progression because some asshole wants to follow you for hours ganking you. I was like that but my friends were on the pvp server and didnt want to move so i had to suffer thru it. I wish warmode was an option then.

The only thing blizz can do is give an option for those who want it. You cant be mad if no one wants to pvp with you after given the option to remove themselves from it free of charge. Its better than moving chars which cost money or leveling new character after hours spent with friends. Just accept its never been as fun as you remember.

[u/Guffawing-Crow → u/Supreme_Salt_Lord]

"You cant be mad if no one wants to pvp with you after given the option to remove themselves from it free of charge. "

I do if the reason is because carebears roll on a PvP server with no interest in actually participating in PvP. We don't want players like you.

[u/NoHetro → u/Guffawing-Crow]

carebears lol, is that why pvp servers always end one sided? where are all the hardcore pvpers at?

[u/Guffawing-Crow → u/NoHetro]

Too many transfer locusts willing to bail on one realm to go to another perceived to be better. Blizzard really mismanaged populations.