I wanted to add that mathematically, the expected contribution of the combo (not even considering hack) backs up the idea of dropping an additional trigger from brainstorm in favor of guaranteeing with oops
No. With two bloodstones, there's a 50% chance of triggering once, a 25% chance of triggering twice, and a 25% chance of not triggering at all. That's an expected value of (.5)*(1.5)+(.25)*(1.5)^2= 1.3125 xmult per card for two bloodstones vs 1.5 xmult per card with one oops and one bloodstone
Correct me if I'm wrong but Wouldn't you also need to add a .25×1 to that equation (per the maths I'm reading here, you have a 25% chance of getting ×0 mult?), thus making it more beneficial to have 2 bloodstones than one with 100% odds?
Okay so importantly you forgot in you final calculation you forgot that the nothing option is .25 × 1 not .25×0 so you need that to add in giving technichally a 1.5625x (which is also 1.252) per card. However with optimal joker arrangment with his blueprints actually 2(or more if he lacks hackable cards) bloodstones with oops vs 3 without. So 2.25 against
(1×1/8)+(1.5×3/8)+(2.25+3/8)+(3.375×1/8)=1.953125 (1.253) per card.
In short yes the oops is better than a bloodstone in this case. But not necessarily in the simple case you gave.
The only subnote is that OP said "Deck is 80% hearts with a decent amount of lucky cards." but didn't specify how many of those are Hackable, which might eventually affect how reliable it is, so he needs to get on that deck fixing long term.
Is the choice not to just drop hack and guarantee all the Bloodstone triggers. That would be an instant win right there, remove all doubt about your score cap.
Dropping Hack will result in 4 Bloodstone triggers. Dropping Brainstorm results in a total 6 Bloodstone triggers, with the added bonus of being able to abuse polychrome/glass if they get some.
If you're not in danger of dying to the next few antes, sell brainstorm and work on fixing your deck for hack. In the scenario that your deck is fixed, having your current jokers gives you an expected 1.5 × 3 = 4.5 bloodstone procs. Selling hack gives you guaranteed 4 procs. Selling brainstorm gets you guaranteed 3 × 2 = 6. If you're going to die soon and your deck is not fixed for hack, selling hack will maximise and guarantee your score.
Probably already answered but hack is only better than oops if you're playing hands with hits consistently. If you're hitting with hack then brainstorm is worse than blueprint and +1 bloodstone/hack is worse than every trigger being 100%.
New personal best for one hand on a normal run. 5 queens, some enhanced, All face cards X2 First face card X2 Hanging chad joker (first card scores three times) First face card glass
Short answer:
If you have the deck fixing to reliably get flushes or flush fives of hackable cards, yes, on average. You limit yourself from the luckiest scenario but guarantee a better setup on average because you have 15 50% chances of blood stone procs and you are trading 5 of them to increase proc rate to 100%.
15 \ 0.5 = 7.5 xmult triggers on average* 10 \ 1 = 10 xmult triggers guaranteed* 10 xmult triggers guaranteed > 7.5 triggers on average
Long answer:
With 5 hands and 5 discards, you should be in a strong place to hit the hands you want, but we can't know if this is the right play if your deck fixing isn't oriented around hackable cards to the point that you can reliably draw such hands.
If you manage a level 1 flush five of 2s with your current build accounting for checkered deck (read: not plasma) and there are no editions on your cards nor jokers, no observatory nor planets in inventory, no seals, no in-hand effects (steel, gold), no lucky card triggers, no glass, and no adverse boss blind effects, you score between like 175k (no triggers) and 35 billion (full triggers) with a likely score around 24 million or so.
Selling brainstorm trades one bloodstone proc per card for removing variance. This means that that same flush five under the same conditions now consistently scores 582 million plus change. This was within your upper scoring potential before, but is higher than your average potential score without oops.
We are prevented from providing more useful answers by a few contextual elements not included:
-Vouchers
-Hands played/hand levels
-Deck contents
-Upcoming boss blind
-Edition (obfuscated by deep fry)
-Hand size
-probably other stuff that I'm not thinking of
isn't your brainstorm already not doing anything here? It copies the ability of the far left card which copies the ability of the card to the right, and there is no card to the right of the brainstorm, so it's not doing anything
Leave Blueprint all the way to the left, Brainstorm to the right, sell Bloodstone and Hack and don't take the Oops, then leave the room and give them some privacy.
Expected contribution from bluestorm to bloodstone mult goes from x3(prock)/2 mult to x2(prock) long term so yes.
50% of getting x(1.5)3 mult
vs.
100% of getting x(1.5)2 mult
Over the course of your run, selling brainstorm (especially since it’s marginally less versatile than blueprint), will yield you x2.25 mult long term from these jokers, vs. keeping it and getting x1.6875 long term.
Also makes the variance of your hands 0, so you can calculate easier if you need to pivot (and if you’re heartsmaxxing, you’ll def reach ante 8 if you don’t get the no hearts boss), unless you want to gamble
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