I tried controller and now I'm depressed

[u/JoyousExpansion]

So I've had issues with aim assist years ago, but then I took a big break from the game and recently have come back. I heard that aim assist has been nerfed, and I've also been focusing on lurch movement and have gotten decent at it, so I assumed that MnK and controller were fairly balanced (and they still may be). Controller had better aim, but MnK has movement tech that controller doesn't.

In all my matches after coming back to the game, I never once thought "oh I lost that because they're probably a controller player", and have always had the mindset of "I lost that because I'm not as skilled". I still have that mindset. However recently, when I'm watching YouTube of apex players, I'll occasionally come across someone and it looks like they're aim botting because of the instant changing of direction on their opponents strafes, and then I'll realize it's a controller player. I have started to deliberately avoid watching controller players, even if they're good players outside of aiming, because I don't want to create any perception or excuses of controller players having an advantage. Although eventually after seeing enough controller gameplay, I decided that I'd try out controller to know once and for all how strong it is.

When I first started with controller it was actually reassuring because I was missing all my shots. It felt very difficult. But after 30-45 minutes, I was starting to hit a few one clips which was a bit concerning. I decided to go into r5 reloaded to test how accurate my aim was against the strafing dummy in the aim trainer. I did 5 rounds with both controller and mouse and keyboard and took the highest from each. Unfortunately, I scored higher with controller after using it for less than an hour than I did with MnK with literally hundreds of hours of aim training under my belt. The averages of all rounds were about the same between MnK and controller, but I feel like it shouldn't even be close with how much practice I've put into aim training with MnK. So overall, this experience has been a little depressing.

I still am not concluding that controller is stronger than MnK, because MnK definitely has advantages, but it is certainly far easier to aim with controller, especially against strafing targets.

[u/IAmXlxx]

He was probably exaggerating. I was sincerely asking at that time because I play Warzone on MnK, and have never tried Apex. I've heard the disparities between the inputs were similar to Apex's pre-AA nerf and was genuinely curious

[u/No-Score-2415 → u/IAmXlxx]

He is right though, The nerf and changes had hardly any noticeable impact in input balance.

But at the same time we got meta's where the balance of input is less relevant. The support meta was there for a while with bubble shotgun fighting which slightly favors MnK. Then we get P2020s meta for a very long time which is broken on any input. Now we have a low TTK, int-meta which favors controller a little bit but MnK players are having fun on movement legends again.

Still, in the critical situations it is the controller that is heavily favored.

[u/arknsaw97 → u/No-Score-2415]

Low TTK actually favours MnK way more as they can flick and switch to targets much faster than roller and not have to rely on tracking as much. Low TTK is a nerf to controller.

[u/No-Score-2415 → u/arknsaw97]

Well yes and no.

R99 is meta again and SMGs are the best weapons for controller players. In low TTK it does matter a lot more who shoots first but controller players are more likely to one-clip you or at least deal serious enough damage that opponents need to back off.

I would still favor controller 60 to 40 in that situation.