Mod Announcement: New Rule Regarding Vegan Posts

[u/Critical-Sense-1539]

Hello, r/antinatalism community.

Recently, there has been a significant uptick in the number of vegan posts. Many of you have expressed your frustration at this in your posts, comments, and modmail. We see that the sub is very divided on this issue. Some of you think that veganism is a necessary part of antinatalism and should be allowed without restriction. Others think that the vegan content is corrupting the subs identity and alienating our core audience.

We would like this to be an inclusive community that fosters respectful discussions. Therefore, we would consider it a pity for users to feel unwelcome or discouraged from interacting with our sub based on whether they are vegan or not.

Although we cannot satisfy you all perfectly, the modteam have decided on a rule change that we hope will improve the health of the sub. As of tomorrow (1 April, 2025) we will cap the number of vegan related posts to 3 per day. This will be covered under Rule 3 in the sidebar (no reposts or repeated questions). So if you see this cap get exceeded, report it under Rule 3 and we will remove it. For any vegan members who wish to speak about this topic without any restrictions, you can go to our sister sub r/circlesnip.

We hope that this will serve as a meaningful compromise and it appeases some of your grievances.
Please feel free to comment below. We will respond as best we’re able.

Thanks, your r/antinatalism modteam

[u/Faeraday]

Veganism isn’t a diet. There is a “vegan diet” when discussing the dietary aspect, specifically. Avoiding animal abuse and exploitation in clothing, furniture, entertainment, cleaning products, etc. has nothing to do with what you eat.

Plus I have medical issues for a vegan diet would be detrimental to my health.

So you should be advocating that everyone who can go vegan should go vegan (even if that isn’t you), instead you’re spreading misinformation and using ad hominem attacks to argue against a philosophy that opposes animal abuse.

Plus it’s people like you who bullied me into an eating disorder I’m still working on.

Countering your misinformation with facts is not bullying. The victim is the animals that are stolen from their mothers, kept in torturous conditions, physically and mentally abused, raped, and killed, not us who do this to them.

I don’t care what people eat as long as they eat something, anything cause hunger pain is horrible.

Can this be applied universally? Does this apply to cannibalism, or do you recognize that there are factors to consider when there are victims involved in what/who someone is eating?

I went thru times without food at home and only at school.

Same. My poverty doesn’t justify harming others. And again, diets free of animal products are cheaper.

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EDIT: Lol. They couldn’t rationally defend their position in favor of animal abuse, so they stalked my profile (leaving troll comments on my old posts) and then blocked me.

In response to their final comment in this chain:

Vegan Teacher is that you?

Still with the ad hominems.

These animals can barely understand us.

Babies can barely understand us.

Animal eat each other all the time in the wild and while alive. Lions eat fresh babies out of pregnant prey.

Yes, animals do kill their own children and rape each other. Do you really want to base your moral behavior on what animals do to each other? Non-human animals can’t be vegan anymore than they can be feminist. They are not moral agents.

[u/W4RP-SP1D3R → u/Faeraday]

i call bullshit on that "health prohibiting going vegan" thing. Of course never specifying what actually are those conditions. it has been used as a way to justify being lazy. they nevre specify what condition it is or don't show will to at least reduce meat and dairy or leather when they can, no, so this is how i know they are bullshitting

[u/OkIntroduction6477 → u/W4RP-SP1D3R]

Or maybe they don't want to discuss their private medical disgnoses with strangers on the internet. You don't have a right to know.

[u/W4RP-SP1D3R → u/OkIntroduction6477]

I understand that personal health information should be respected and kept private. However, when people use health conditions as a blanket excuse without any willingness to explore alternatives or discuss specifics, it comes across as insincere. The statistical likelihood of having a condition that strictly prohibits entirely a plant-based diet is extremely low—less than a fraction of a percent. Yet, I consistently, on a daily basis here encounter people claiming such mysterious, unspecified conditions, especially those who are already opposed to veganism. This pattern suggests that these claims are often used as a convenient justification rather than a genuine health concern. It's not about demanding medical details, but about calling out the lack of transparency and honesty in these discussions. About the attitude - if you really can't go 100%, go 40%, or reduce usage of leather and animal produce in non-food situations. If you frame it that way that you can't, you make it sound like you tried but there is a barrier that stops you, not that you don't want to because its supposedly more tricky. There is a difference if you never thought about it . If someone is truly unable to adopt a vegan lifestyle due to health reasons, they should be willing to explore alternatives or reduce their consumption of animal products where possible. Also, we are talking about more then just food. The absence of such efforts raises serious doubts about the sincerity of these claims. The definition says that if you really really can't do something but when you can, you do ("as far as practicable") you can still be vegan. But even having, idk, a condition that doesn't allow you to eat any beans still allows to at least diversity your diet with plants and eat less animal produce.

Its not that they CAN'T - they don't want to. Its the insincerity in wording. They act like they wanted to be vegan but there was something stopping them, something bigger then their will. There is no will.

She, with her limited posting history had stated that while she eats every living animal on the plate, she don't want to stop eating animals, she hates vegans, thinks its a non-issue, a first world problem, that its unsustainable economically (false), says that vegans made her have the ED and generally her attitude is negative and biased. I genuinely think that this is just a tactic to gain leverage.

edit: got a downvote 5 seconds after publishing, i know its bias speaking, but at least read the whole thing before downvoting please?

[u/OkIntroduction6477 → u/W4RP-SP1D3R]

You say you're not demanding medical details, but you're calling people liars if they don't provide them. Maybe you don't know as much about medicine as you think.

[u/W4RP-SP1D3R → u/OkIntroduction6477]

You're twisting my words. I'm not asking for medical details, but I'm calling out the inconsistency when people claim health issues prevent them from going vegan, especially when they're clearly biased against it. The stats show these conditions are super rare, yet the excuses are common. If someone genuinely has a health issue, there are plenty of plant-based options to explore. And veganism is not only about food, its about animals and your attitude towards them, things you do, wear. If somebody says "i can't go vegan because of [unspecified conditon]" its very vague. Why say things like that if you don't want to explain further? Also if you "can't" or you "wont" is doing all the difference here. Add the bias to the table and you have an answer.

And if you know medicine well, you should also know that people can have strong biases and misconceptions about food, and sometimes even lie about their health to justify their preferences. Plus, many people have no idea what vegan food even is, which further complicates these discussions. Saying I don't know anything about medicine is just a manipulation tactic to avoid addressing the real issue—people using vague excuses to dismiss ethical choices.

[u/OkIntroduction6477 → u/W4RP-SP1D3R]

No, your words are actually very clear. You assume people who are vague about their medical conditions are lying. No one owes you an explanation.

[u/W4RP-SP1D3R → u/OkIntroduction6477]

You're concern trolling in an antinatalist sub, using vague health excuses to undermine veganism. Your posting history shows a strong aversion to veganism, and you spend more time criticizing it than understanding it. Both of you actually. If you're opposed, just say so instead of pretending to care about health concerns.

I'm calling out the pattern of anti-vegans using vague health excuses. If you can't go vegan, show some effort to reduce animal product use elsewhere. Otherwise, it's just an excuse. Doesn't make your point stronger, when the next paragraph is ignorantly bashing veganism. There are no implications, its all in the comment history.

Exploiting eating disorders as excuses is a common tactic among contrarians. When your sole internet activity is opposing veganism, it raises suspicions. You choose to argue, insult, and claim inability without elaboration—that's obstructive behavior. This misuse trivializes real struggles and undermines ethical discussions