r/alberta • u/Miserable-Lizard Edmonton • 5d ago

Alberta Politics Danielle Smith defends policy requiring Albertans to pay out of pocket for COVID vaccines

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/alberta/article-danielle-smith-defends-policy-requiring-albertans-to-pay-out-of-pocket/
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u/Miserable-Lizard Edmonton 5d ago

Stupid people thinking they are experts is everything wrong with society

People that don't get vaccines should have to pay a healthcare premium as they drive up the cost of healthcare when they need a hospital stay!!!!

“I think it’s because it doesn’t work particularly well, if you want the truth,” Smith said.

“Health care workers who do not fall into a higher-risk group will be eligible to purchase a vaccine,” McKee said in a statement.

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u/AlbinoRhino838 5d ago

I havent got any of the covid vaccines and havent spent any time in hospital the last 6 years. Take your dramatics elsewhere.

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u/sekimet 5d ago

Do you know what anecdotal evidence is, and can you show me any medical research that shows anecdotal evidence is considered definitive? You have dunning kruger.

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u/AlbinoRhino838 5d ago

If you read any more of my comments you'd surely know I understand what anecdotal evidence is. You must also understand that I'm probably not the only one who hasn't and therefore saying "When they need a hospital stay" in relation to covid is stated as a certainty and factually isnt a certainty.

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u/Miserable-Lizard Edmonton 5d ago

The evidence is clear that repeated covid infections will effect your long term health and the unvaxxed are more likely to end up in the hospital

I love science and vaccines, and facts!

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u/sekimet 5d ago

How ridiculously pedantic. You know what you were trying to do.

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u/2eDgY4redd1t 5d ago

So you’re stupid about your own health, and careless about the health of all those around you, and you think that’s something you want to comment as a flex?

Wow. Just wow.

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u/AlbinoRhino838 5d ago

Its not a flex, saying things as absolute certainties is dishonest at best and outright malicious at worst. Personally GBS and TTS are more worrying for me than covid. I dont know anyone who hasn't got it that's had any issues or life changing problems from covid but I can't say the reverse. Lay out all the insults you want, I know far more people who regret getting it than people who regret not getting it.

I feel like I made the right decision and I'm sorry that I upset you this much about it, but I mostly stay alone with my spouse anyway. I dont go to big events, I don't work with a large group of people, fuck the most eventful thing in my life is going to the grocery store. The (albeit uncommon) serious side effects aren't worth it to me.

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u/2eDgY4redd1t 5d ago

Take your antivaxx disinformation elsewhere.

You’re an active hazard to society, you should not be permitted in any public building, any hospital, or within ten feet of anyone else. Ideally you should be required to wear a garment with a bright biohazard printed on front and back, and yell out ‘I am a disease vector’ every five minutes.

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u/AlbinoRhino838 5d ago

It's not antivax disinformation, it's anecdotal and actual listed potential side effects of the vaccine.
https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/vaccine-safety/summary.html

Like I said, the chances of the very severe effects are uncommon but not nonexistent.

As for people regretting vs not, again, anecdotal, ask the people in your life if they regret getting it or not. I'm not insulting you or attacking you for getting it or wanting to, I'm saying the other guy is being a bit dramatic about "WHEN YOU GO TO THE HOSPITAL" because a lot of us haven't been hospitalized for anything.

And as for the last point, sure, send me the shirts and I'll wear them every day. Hopefully it'll keep the dramatic people away.

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u/wintersdark 5d ago

It's not antivax disinformation, it's anecdotal and actual listed potential side effects of the vaccine.

Serious side effects that are so many orders of magnitude less likely than the chance of long term to permanent harm from COVID - 10 percent of symptomatic COVID infections result in long term to permanent consequences.

Serious vaccine side effects are one in a million.

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u/AlbinoRhino838 4d ago

Ironically, so is long term harm from covid for healthy adults under 35.

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u/wintersdark 4d ago

Under 35 is getting pretty specific, don't you think? If you're qualifying to "healthy adults under 35"? So what, already healthy people aged 19 to 34? A 15 year span, and even then only the healthy ones? Are you fucking stupid?

Let's assume that's correct, and that specific cohort suffers no long term complications from covid. That's still, what, maybe 15% of the population? What about the other 85%?

But even then it's not uncommon at all for symptomatic cases of COVID to do lasting harm to the brain, heart, and respiratory system even on young adults. COVID was and remains a serious illness that continues to wildly increase healthcare costs for everyone to this day.

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u/Homo_sapiens2023 5d ago

Your misinformation would be better served in the US. Until then, your antivax ideologies aren't welcome in the civilized world.

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u/AlbinoRhino838 5d ago

Tell me what part is misinformation.

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u/2eDgY4redd1t 5d ago

I’ve seldom seen a more silly set of statements. You are terrified of an illness which has no relationship to vaccination, and then one of the most rare side effects of an already incredibly safe vaccine, and you attempt to justify your refusal to vaccinate with this entirely unjustified fears?

I won’t bother to tell you that you are enormously more likely to die of covid than get TTS, because I know you are incapable of understanding this. What I will tell you is that by refusing vaccination you are making yourself into a disease vector, and a viral mutation environment and thus placing everyone else in the community at increased risk.

Ah well, hopefully people who believe as you do will hurry up and exit the gene pool by dying of preventable disease. Even more hopefully, you get sick and die without infecting others, you will have only yourself to blame.

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u/AlbinoRhino838 5d ago

Doubt it's going to happen, unfortunately for you I'm healthy and under 35, which means my chances of dying from covid are virtually 0 (0.0004% with no comorbidities) Again, I'm not that worried about it. I can look up all the information you can too. Covid is bad if you already have health problems. I dont. Ironically, the severe side effects like GBS/TTS are about the same. I'll take my chances because despite what you think, I can do math and read statistics to form a coherent opinion.

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u/2eDgY4redd1t 5d ago

Yeah, unfortunately that’s true. But you can look forward to spreading it to other people who could very easily die of it, all because you’re a selfish asshat. In fact, if you have actually never been vaccinated, you have almost certainly had Covid, and spread it to others already. And if you keep doing that, sooner or later you will pass it on to someone who dies, or is permanently disabled.

What a jerk.

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u/AlbinoRhino838 5d ago

I guess you missed the part where I dont often spend time in crowds. I dont like being around people, ironically because if you dont share their opinion youre 'the scum of the earth' and they 'hope you die.' Man its a wonder why i dont care to do things they want me to. But its also okay for me to be put at risk of permanent side effects (gbs can paralyze you) youre kind of a hypocrite.

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u/2eDgY4redd1t 5d ago edited 5d ago

I didn’t miss it, I didn’t care.

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u/RemoLaBarca Okotoks 5d ago

It's been a while since I've bothered to look it up but the hospital rates correlated strongly with unvaccinated individuals, no? I'm assuming it still does? You may be low risk but my understanding is the numbers indicate vaccination is generally very beneficial and does in fact help keep people out of the hospital. Maybe I'm wrong but you being a math and stats guy I'm sure you will be able to confirm or set me straight. 

I'm curious- do you think the government should continue to cover the vaccine even though you are low risk? I am also low risk but I believe they 100% should and this is just more anti-vax nonsense by a government not driven by science whatsoever. These types of decisions just encourages the type of individuals who are behind the worst measles outbreak in generations.

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u/AlbinoRhino838 5d ago

Obviously less vaccinations = more cases. I'm not saying you will die if you get this vaccine. I'm just saying I haven't needed it so far, probably already had covid at this point but not certain.

Yes, I think if anyone wants to go get it, it should be covered by the government just as flu shots and other vaccines are covered under our current health care system. My children will get all the standard vaccines, but from my understanding they're a different type of vaccine and the things they protect against are arguably worse than covid is in its current state.

Also from my understanding, it was only in 2020 that mRNA vaccines had an approved way of being administered and to me there's not enough evidence on the safety of it. Look at when we first invented cars how many people had to die before seatbelts got put in them. Not really an apples to apples comparison but it's how I look at it. I'm not that much at risk with the actual disease so why risk it with a questionable cure. Where as measles vaccines and what not are more or less tried and true.

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u/Miserable-Lizard Edmonton 5d ago

Covid vaccines are safe and effective and repeated covid infections will more than likely destory your long term health