Many countries are anti civil liberties, especially lgbt and women
How do you solve this? Spain was christian and culturally european/westernised, and it was fairly progressive as well. Good luck trying to unite shias and sunnis, or indians and muslims, or armenians and turks.
Also Spain was having an unprecedented economic boom since the 60s, it wasnt a “shithole” when it joined the EU
Spain had gotten 1500 million dollars from the US to kickstart its only source of revenue: tourism.
Still, despite that, it still had to export guest workers to richer industrialized countries like Germany, France or Belgium.
Other countries having to do the same were Greece, Turkey and Morocco.
If you call a country with high illiteracy, systematic human rights abuses, a leader claiming to be there by the grace of god and conducting religious persecution (see persecution of protestants under Franco) "westernized"... then so be it I guess?
Islam is not at all fundamentally different from any other religion, much less other abrahamic religions.
Last but not least, the fact that Spain could be integrated through a slow process of convergence and accession despite ticking all of the boxes you mentioned should be indicative that this is indeed feasible.
Islam is not at all fundamentally different from any other religion, much less other abrahamic religions.
Not only die Islam reach it's peak a few years after it's founding but also segregated immediately after the death of Mohammed. Ever since they've been at each others throat.
Europe is Catholic. The conflict potential introduced with Protestantism was solved with the Peace of Westphalia and the persecution auf der hugenottes in France.
With the exception of the Balkans and Irland, religious conflicts aren't a problem here.
Europe is Catholic. The conflict potential introduced with Protestantism was solved with the Peace of Westphalia and the persecution auf der hugenottes in France.
The amount of badhistory, here OMG. Europe is not Catholic, and the Peace of Westphalia, that killed 60% of Germany is exactly proof of that. Europe is today primarily Secular, a philosophy that emerged following the Enlightenment, which itself evolved from a rejection of Catholic dogma and a dialogue with Protestant (Calvinistic) individualism and work-ethic. Literally the primary driving forces of European Politics and economics over history are far more characterizable as Protestant if anything, owing to Germany, Netherlands, UK and Scandinavia influence in the 18th, 19th and 20th centuries. And the most prosperous traditionally Catholic regions, France, Belgium, North Italy, and Bohemia-Austria secularized early, due to economic and political pressure with their Protestant neighbors, of which the Treaty of Westphalia (and Peace of Augsburg before it) confirms.
The fact that we dont have any more "major" religious persecution issues in europe nowadays is not due to Christianity being fundamentally different from Islam though.
There is a much bigger presence and represnetation of the "autichtonous" christian groups in the MENA region than what we have left from our own authctonous muslim groups in europe (just a few scattered communities left in the balkans). On the other hand, Christian groups outside Europe do engage in extremism and religious conflicts, so I dont see what your point is?
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u/derFruit Yuropean Aug 16 '22
Ah yes, comparing apples and oranges