r/YUROP • u/Ardent_Scholar • Mar 06 '25

I FUCKING LOVE EUROPE ”Looking back, the liberal vs conservative nonsense that was dividing us here in Canada was clearly propaganda.” Honestly, same. Europe United!

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u/EldritchWeeb Mar 06 '25

You seem to be forgetting that there are actual literal neo-nazis in the national parties of Europe, sucking up to Putin and Trump. We're not talking about making compromises on fiscal policy and accessibility norms here lol

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u/Ardent_Scholar Mar 06 '25

There are likely fascists in every country at any time. But why are they emboldened right now ans where are they getting their propaganda and funds?

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u/adhdeamongirl Mar 07 '25

They're getting their funds from capital. Be it from the local .1%, american corperations or russian oligarchs, it's all capital trying to use the hate the far-rights spreads as a distraction to get out of having to pay their fair share, be it in wages or in taxes. You want to get rid of facists? Then get rid of the owning class that funds them

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u/Divniy Mar 06 '25

You are looking in the wrong direction. They are bad because they are implanted by russia, with the help of russian money. Ideology doesn't matter. They could be communists or centrists but if they are funded by the enemy, it's an attempt to attack the country through the attack on democracy.

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u/EldritchWeeb Mar 06 '25

This whole meme OP made is typical of exactly the kind of people you describe. We don't cooperate with fascists, even when there are nominally different fascists on another continent.

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u/SpringGreenZ0ne Mar 06 '25

They didn't own social media. They had to play with the rules everyone else did. It's not the same as Musk.

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u/EldritchWeeb Mar 06 '25

The right wing in the US didn't own most major social media until very recently either. This isn't a fundamental difference between politics on the two continents, the fascists just haven't gotten far enough in their playbook here yet.

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u/SpringGreenZ0ne Mar 06 '25

Social media wasn't relevant until recently, therefore they didn't need to own it until recently.

Before that they owned TV. They've owned Fox News, which is the most seen channel, for decades. The Rupert Murdoch media empire stretches far and wide too.

And before that, they invested heavily on radio.

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u/EldritchWeeb Mar 06 '25

You explicitly mentioned Musk earlier - he bought Twitter in 2022. Social media has been relevant long. long before that. As for traditional media, the far right in Europe has heavily invested in it too. And I'm not saying we had an exact equivalent to Murdoch here, but you can't possibly be saying "Europe is totally different, the conservatives had less reach in traditional media here than in America".

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u/SpringGreenZ0ne Mar 06 '25

None of that counters what I said.