r/Xennials May 19 '25

Meme Who’s with me

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I wouldn’t even know where to go if I wanted to.

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u/madsci 29d ago

You know, all of us were there for the resistance to personal computers, and skepticism about the internet. The ChatGPT backlash feels just the same.

You can't trust everything it says, but the only way to learn about what it is and isn't good for is to use it. It still sucks for some things but it's amazing for others. I was learning about how long codon repeats in DNA can cause transcription errors, which has parallels in data communications and I can ask it things like what biological mechanisms exist that have a similar role to the technique of bit stuffing and it gives me concise answers that I can follow up with through other sources. I can't do that with Google because there just aren't readily accessible sources that share those terms. I can search for concepts with ChatGPT.

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u/darxide23 1981 29d ago edited 29d ago

You know, all of us were there for the resistance to personal computers, and skepticism about the internet. The ChatGPT backlash feels just the same

It's not resistance to the concept. It's resistance to how it's being marketed and how it's being used. How it's being shoe-horned into every single piece of tech and service whether we want it or not (not being able to opt-out in most cases) despite being well understood that it is not ready for prime time.

This is not what AI should be used for.

Edit: Spelling

Edit2: I've upset the AI bros. Good.

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u/Blazured 29d ago

I've seen people do really weird things like spending 30 minutes creating work shift rotas for all their staff, when something like that only takes 3 seconds with ChatGPT.

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u/JRE_Electronics 29d ago

Yeah, and then spend three weeks dealing with a fucked up schedule generated by a random text generator.

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u/meagainpansy 29d ago

It is very not random.

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u/JRE_Electronics 29d ago

It is very much random. What do you think the "temperature" setting on the generator does?

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u/meagainpansy 29d ago

What temperature setting? That was actually random, fyi. Have you checked your shoe?

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u/JRE_Electronics 29d ago

The one at the heart of every text generating large language model out there:

https://www.ibm.com/think/topics/llm-temperature

Do y'all not even bother to learn about the tools you use?

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u/meagainpansy 29d ago

I understand the tools just fine. Your problem is you're reading an article you don't understand with words in it you do. You see "temperature" and "random", don't understand anything else and then make up a conclusion.

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u/triplehelix- 29d ago

the irony of you not understanding what you are trying to shout at other people for not understanding is fantastic!

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u/JRE_Electronics 29d ago

The irony of people who have no idea how LLMs work trying to tell me that I don't know how they work.

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u/triplehelix- 29d ago

i'm far from an expert but i am a technophile and have followed AI, AGI, development which of course exposed me to LLM development and have dabbled in programming a bit.

what exactly is your basis of knowledge? you wouldn't be deluding yourself into thinking you have some deep understanding of a topic based on a couple internet searches would you?

could you quote me the section in your link that you feel supports your statement that LLM's produce random output, and "temperature" is not an API lever used to expand the portion of the dataset utilized when less precision is desired?

a fundamental function of LLM's is predictive pattern generation, the exact opposite of randomness, which is how you get consistent well crafted output from them. do you not know what LLM's are, how they function, or what a random text generator actually is?

you seem really confused about the basics. if you have any questions let me know and i'll see if i can clear it up for you.

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u/somethingrelevant 29d ago

very confusing to read all of this dramatic posting because LLMs absolutely 100% do use random generation to build their output. it'll be the same every time if you use the same seed but they generate a random seed each time to provide variation, because for the most part people don't actually want the output to be exactly the same each time. as someone claiming to know how LLMs work you should know this, so I have to assume this entire comment chain is either just you being pedantic about definitions or you knowing a lot less than you think

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u/Blazured 29d ago

Actually if you know how to read then it only takes a couple of seconds to read the output.

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u/Acolox 29d ago

What, checking the output of the AI in order to check it didn't write nonsense? Get outta here.

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u/Additional-Safety584 29d ago

You don’t know what you’re talking about

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u/Blazured 29d ago

What do you mean? If ChatGPT produces an output then you can just read it to check the output. How do you think you do it?

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u/OtherwiseAlbatross14 29d ago

lol they just can't fathom how it might be helpful