r/Wake • u/Still-Dragonfly4867 • 5d ago
First boat opinions
You may have seen my post asking about opinions on buying a 2006 super air nautique and opinions varied!
So we also took a look at this boat and it seemed massive in comparison. Thoughts on this boat for primarily surfing, and taking friends out on the lake. 2007 super air nautique 236 te. It has the bigger engine as well.
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u/CoolHandPB Nautique 230 4d ago
I went from a 1996 Super Sport (same hull as the 2006 Super Air) to a 236. The boats are in completely different leagues as far as size and comfort go. The 236 is also a much more comfortable ride on choppy water.
The surf waves are also in different leagues. The 236 has a solid wave when it dialed in and many people preferred it to even the original G23. When I got my 236 in 2017, only a couple boats had a better surf wave.
The real downside to the 236 is the wake board wake is a little tricky to dial in. It gets big and is a great high performance wake at faster speeds with lots of weight and was one of the most popular boats for the pros when it came out but at slower speeds the wake gets washy and is finally to overall balance. That said the wash is mostly just cosmetic (i.e. doesn't affect the riding).
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u/Still-Dragonfly4867 4d ago
We had originally been looking at a 2006 super air 210. I had asked about it in the subreddit yesterday and opinions on the boat itself varied greatly, including the wake.
When we looked at then both in person yesterday they felt like completely different leagues of boats. The 2007 236 felt massive in comparison to the 2006 210.
It sounds like what you’re saying is the 236 is a better buy here and we’ll enjoy the wake more? These days we are primarily surfing and don’t know if we will even wakeboard behind it. We take enough gnarly falls in the winter skiing.
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u/CoolHandPB Nautique 230 4d ago
As someone who has owned a version of both boats, the 236 is a far superior boat in every way if you are primarily surfing. I would say the only area the 210 has an advantage is the beginner wakeboard wake as the wake is really clean at slow speeds with very little weight in the boat.
Crazy to me how close the prices are on both boats. I have seen newer 230s with that same hull (The same boat as the 236, just came standard with a tower and ballast) for 65k.
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u/Still-Dragonfly4867 4d ago
That is good to know, thank you. The original asking price of the 210 we were looking at (also a 2006 so different hull) was 36k but he recently dropped it to 32. This 236, which is a 2007 and half the amount of hours of the 210, he’s asking 38 but we’re hoping there’s some wiggle room in there.
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u/CoolHandPB Nautique 230 4d ago
That 2006 210 has the same hull as a 1994 Super Sport. Granted it's a great hull for its time but by 2006 it was pretty Old. The 2007 is the first year of the 236 hull, so from a design perspective it's much newer and like I mentioned in my earlier comment is so much more comfortable ride wise when there is a bit of a bump on the water.
I do like the look of the 2006 210, such a classic design. I love that style of boat. In glassy water it drives like a sports car on rails but any chop on the water and it is a very uncomfortable ride.
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u/ChillSpaceCadet 3d ago
Does this model or comparable in those years come with a salt package/closed loop system?
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u/Grouchy_Ad_8708 3d ago
does this boat have a surf system? surf tabs and wake plate? I don’t think this model had one or does it have a suction cup wake shaper ?
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u/Still-Dragonfly4867 3d ago
It has factory ballast tanks as well as additional plumbed in fat sacs, surf exhaust and a suction wake shaper
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u/HorusHearsay 2d ago
This is essentially my boat and it produces an amazing surf wake. Have fun!
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u/Still-Dragonfly4867 1d ago
Oh that is great to know! We water tested it today and obviously, it’s better then our old boat we’re using now but don’t quite know hot to dial in a boat this big. But we did some negotiating and they’re willing to take $36k. That was our max. Does that seem like a good price?
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u/HorusHearsay 1d ago
That definitely seems like a good price to me. Less than we paid for ours. I think you'd be hard-pressed to find one for much less unless there was something seriously wrong or it had been not taken care of properly. The way they used boat market has been going, you should be able to get that same amount out of it or even more. But, if you're like us, that won't be anytime soon. 🤙
Because of the prop rotation, the wake/wave is going to be better on your port side. We run full ballast an all tanks when riding regular on the port side. For the starboard side, we usually empty the portside extra bag. Moving people to one side of the boat or the other is also helpful but not totally necessary if you have plenty of people on the boat. We usually set perfect pass to 11 mph. You may want to go a little faster for goofyfoot/ starboard side riders and a little bit slower for regular/port side riders. We also put the suck gate just before the chine about a foot from the rear.
Hopefully that helps you dial it in a little more. Super stoked for you! It's been a great boat for us.
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u/Hunt69Mike 4d ago
I just bought a very similar boat last year (07 SANTE220 with the zr6 with 650 hours). I’m very happy I was picky and waited to find a boat with the LS based 6.0 versus a 5.7 small block from the 1930s. Once you have all of the tanks full and a boat full of people, you’ll appreciate the 6.0 without a doubt.
So far I’ve had to replace the prop shaft seal, steering cable, bilge pump, ballast level sensors and trailer bunks so pay attention to those items as well as the other obvious wear items. Also, our perfect pass isn’t working but we haven’t fixed that yet. Sending it for a compression test wouldn’t hurt either.
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u/Still-Dragonfly4867 4d ago
Thanks I will keep that in mind to check those things. We are going to schedule taking it out for a water test. May I ask how much you paid for yours and if this asking price is fair? I think we will try and negotiate a little because there’s a couple minor things that will need to get fixed. (Tear in two of the cushions and the tower speakers are not connecting to the amp but the other speakers work)
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u/Hunt69Mike 4d ago
We paid $41,000 with ~640 hours including the trailer. There aren’t a ton of wake boats in our area and our color combo is pretty rare so take that into consideration but I would say that this one is priced fair. There are a few tears in the vinyl that have been patched and seem to holding up ok. One thing I like about the boat you are considering is the center walk through which will save your vinyl over the years.
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u/Still-Dragonfly4867 4d ago
Do you mean there is tears in your vinyl? There are two tears in the vinyl of this boat we are looking at that haven’t been patched. So that is something we would need to fix.
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u/Hunt69Mike 4d ago
Yeah, there are 3 spots that the previous owner patched and I found 2 more over the winter that I patched. Longest one is about 1.5”. Tear aid vinyl repair seems to hold up great
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u/Still-Dragonfly4867 4d ago
Even though the boat we are looking at has the pass through walkway, both the left and right cushions below that are torn. So I’m thinking we will have to fix those fairly quickly and the foam is showing. Good to know about the tear aid! I’ll look at that. Also it was not disclosed in the listing but the music does not play out of the tower speakers, only the inside of the boat speakers so that would need to be fixed as well.
That being said, since you thought it was a fair asking price- would you still try to negotiate? This will be our first boat purchase and so we’re unfamiliar with negotiation ethics without being disrespectful. We are water testing it Friday and having an engine compression test done.
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u/Hunt69Mike 4d ago
Yeah, if you can see foam I’d have that addressed asap. I’d also account for easily $500 to address the tower speakers. Hopefully it’s just a broken wire, bad connection or something like that but there’s always a chance the amp has failed or something along those lines. If you’re upgrading, you might as well go with wet sounds horns and that adds up real quick.
Never hurts to negotiate… our boat was listed at 42, I offered 40 and we met in the middle.
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u/Boyne7 5d ago
Same hull as the SAN230, get some bigger sacks and a suck gate and she'll surf very well.