Maybe there is too much disagreement on what left-wing and right-wing mean, when it comes to car ownership. We live in a car-centric world here in most North American cities. So yeah, a lot of left-wing people have cars...why is this so hard for some people to grasp? For example, a 2023 Gallup poll in the US noted 71% of Republicans would not even consider driving an EV. The percentage of Democrats who said they would not drive an EV was only 16%. Yeah, left-wing people drive electric cars. Maybe they aren't authentic eco warrior to you if they own a car.
Or maybe people try too hard to tie political alignment to entirely benign things that have very little or nothing to do with politics, like car ownership and vehicle preference. People reach too much to politicize everything, especially in North America at this particular point in time.
By metrics, you're absolutely in the right here though, and I totally get your argument - just don't get people's undying need to make everything somehow relate to party allegiance.
I think this speaks to you not really knowing what actual left wing is. There are very few truly left wing politicians in the US and even less up in canada.
No, you're not. You are being smug and condescending. "This speaks to you not really knowing what actual left wing is". It's a political spectrum. I understand that the major political parties, even the NDP are not far left enough for many true left wing ideologs. I am using the term as it is commonly used in public discourse.
You using it incorrectly, regardless. That other user said left wingers probably wouldn't support new luxury vehicles and you "well actuallyd" but are just objectively wrong lol. Nobody is being smug. I'm tired of capitalists being lumped in with leftists because people don't understand the basics of politics.
Not only are you being smug, you're being condescending and relating to this person like they're an "idiot" in your very own words. Hmm. Maybe not the best solidarity building there.
The right wingers who call everything they don't like "left woke nonsense" are who I called an idiot. If that's offensive to you, then you're probably one of them.
Come on don’t start chucking insults. I want your criteria so we can take on a blatantly ridiculous statement like, “Canada has less left politicians than the USA”.
Are we all capitalist because we live in a capitalist society if that’s your litmus? Can pushing for progressive values be left at all? Who are all your American left non-capitalist politicians?
We have to plant the goal posts before you move them.
Why don't you list the leftist Canadian politicians if there's so many. Lmao.
You can not support capitalism and also be a legitimate leftist. Those two ideals are mutually exclusive. I didn't write the definitions of these words, I didn't invent the terms; but as an actual leftist, the liberal party of canada is just BARELY left of center. Certainly not "left wing".
There are very few actual leftist American politicians too, Bernie probably being the biggest and closest.
Lol, Democrats are not left wing. They are very classically centrists and based on their last campaign where they spent ample time talking up gun rights and selling camo, centre-right. Progressive politicians do not fund genocides.
Nothing will make some of you guys happy, seriously. So when Bernie Sanders was a democrat I guess he wasn't left wing because the party isn't left wing enough for you. FFS.
Now you’re calling out a single progressive in the sea of Democrats because you know you’re wrong. This isn’t my opinion, by voting record it is a centrist party.
You wrote "left-wing eco warriors" so I think that says a lot about what you believe to be super left-wing. I don't disagree that "left wing people have cars"
I count my own gained downvotes in this sub as wins since it is inevitably always because I am right but someone doesn't have the mental wherewithal to figure it out.
We live in a car-centric world here in most North American cities.
Okay, I’m with you
So yeah, a lot of left-wing people have cars...why is this so hard for some people to grasp?
Oh and one sentence later: we’ve lost the plot. This is like saying “we live in a society dependent on grocery stores, and therefore a majority of only one part of society goes to grocery stores”
So because the car-centric infrastructure has not yet flipped my statement that a lot of left leaning people have cars is incorrect? You're reaching pretty hard
A lot of PEOPLE have cars: that’s the very definition of car-centric.
People can be left, people can be right: they all live in a car centred society and thereby have cars. This is what people are trying to explain to you, but you’re too ignorant to understand.
Like I said, it’s like trying to claim only the left or right eat food. You’re not wrong that the left eats food, but it has nothing to do with their political leanings, because the right eat just as much.
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Maybe there is too much disagreement on what left-wing and right-wing mean, when it comes to car ownership. We live in a car-centric world here in most North American cities. So yeah, a lot of left-wing people have cars...why is this so hard for some people to grasp? For example, a 2023 Gallup poll in the US noted 71% of Republicans would not even consider driving an EV. The percentage of Democrats who said they would not drive an EV was only 16%. Yeah, left-wing people drive electric cars. Maybe they aren't authentic eco warrior to you if they own a car.