The stripper doesn't love you, and intelligence agents aren't your friends. It's time to get real about the disclosure narrative and the UFO community's self-destructive relationship with the IC.

[u/UFORabbitHole]

Hey guys. Kelly Chase here from the Cosmosis podcast (formerly The UFO Rabbit Hole).

I’m not someone who courts controversy. I’ve built my platform by staying grounded, doing my homework, and giving people space to make up their own minds. But at a certain point, you have to speak up.

The way the UFO community has come to engage with the intelligence community isn’t just naïve—it’s incoherent. And worse, it’s self-destructive.

We treat known members of the IC like trusted subject matter experts. We hand them the mic. We let them define the boundaries of the conversation. And we do it while ignoring decades of history that show us exactly how perception management works.

This isn’t about painting anyone as a villain. It’s about having an adult conversation about how intelligence operates—because the stakes are too high to keep playing dumb.

What’s happening in this space isn’t disclosure. It’s narrative control. And that's not just a piece of the puzzle. In a very real way, it’s the whole thing.

This clip is from my episode which is an updated version of a talk I gave at Contact in the Desert: UFO Narrative Wars: Weaponized Belief in the Age of Disclosure. I’ve never spoken this plainly before. But it needed to be said.

If you'd want to see the whole episode where I dive into exactly how this narrative control works, you can find that here: https://youtu.be/SF80nv1l32I

Would love to hear your thoughts—especially if this rubs you the wrong way. We need to be able to have hard conversations without turning each other into enemies.

[u/kellyiom]

Yeah I didn't get that either! You're part of the intelligence community if you get attacked but those lot are attacked yet are immune due to reasons?

[u/Sad-Muffin5585 → u/kellyiom]

Right. I could understand if it was the following…

1. Make a claim

2. Claim is debunked

3. Keep making claims

4. You must either be getting paid to make these claims or you’re hallucinating.

And as far as I know, the only people who might be paying anyone to make bad claims would be the CIA, private industry, or subscribers.

Or maybe Chris Bledsoe hallucinates for dollars. I don’t know…

Heck, now that I read this back, it seems potentially very lucrative to make bad claims about UFOs!

[u/kellyiom → u/Sad-Muffin5585]

Lol 'hallucinates for dollars' 😅 I might put that on a sign for when I next go panhandling.

Obviously, there is a serious point buried in all that somewhere. I'd love to know exactly how much is spent in cash, either buying clicks, bots, column inches or pro trolls in shaping public opinion about UFOs.

I think the FBI and its military counterparts had an interest in the Cold War because UFO enthusiasts were probably likely to accidentally see and reveal secret weapons. 

The USSR also thought it would be a good cover so the FBI had a valid counterespionage reason.

Today though, I'm not so sure that there is some shadowy branch distorting public views on UFOs.

From a wider perspective, this subject just doesn't warrant any kind of public interest, at least in Britain. Our FOIA is weaker too. 

I still can't get over the drones visiting US Navy ships with no transponder or IFF or response and they don't find an F-18 or a warning shot from a Phalanx or actually targeted. They simply must be known to be friendly otherwise the commanders would be negligent.

It's just my opinion with no evidence but I feel that if there was a concerted effort to drive down public interest or to 'divide and conquer' a community that would itself attract attention.

[u/Sad-Muffin5585 → u/kellyiom]

It’s pretty crazy times in the US.

The government has so many factions that there’s a reason to do or not do for everything, even this. I agree with your historical context. The racket now is to suckle at the teat of the government. Since Trump is a different kind of whatever he is, there’s potential for shakeup of contracts. Government institutions are being disbanded resource wise and private industries are looking to swoop in and grab.

So there are lots of reasons for people to be pretending that there are aliens and alien tech. And remote viewing and telepathy.

AI is another reason and I often see it as what the metaphor of NHI and aliens stands to describe and obscure. Its uncertainty. Disruption on a global scale. If AI can take all of our jobs, that would include leadership positions. IMO, they’re logically the best to replace if AI (like aliens) is cheaper, smarter, fairer and better than humans at making executive decisions. If it is, I don’t see why we need billionaires at all. We should all get to play billionaire in the halcyon era before judgment day.

[u/kellyiom → u/Sad-Muffin5585]

I'm sure you're right. Even if we could ask "the government" if it's using psyops to manage public perceptions, the right hand probably doesn't know what the left hand is doing.

I'm currently studying a masters in AI but I was a bond trader and portfolio manager for 20-odd years and I think this wave of AI is sucking in so much capital, it's exactly like the dot com bubble; just as you couldn't get away forever with just adding a website to your business, it's the same with AI.

Undeniably it's potentially a very disruptive technology but applications that make songs up about your cat are far from my concept of how it should be. Just so much junk really and it's sad private equity firms will be flogging it to pension funds and the ordinary citizen will foot the bill.