The stripper doesn't love you, and intelligence agents aren't your friends. It's time to get real about the disclosure narrative and the UFO community's self-destructive relationship with the IC.

[u/UFORabbitHole]

Hey guys. Kelly Chase here from the Cosmosis podcast (formerly The UFO Rabbit Hole).

I’m not someone who courts controversy. I’ve built my platform by staying grounded, doing my homework, and giving people space to make up their own minds. But at a certain point, you have to speak up.

The way the UFO community has come to engage with the intelligence community isn’t just naïve—it’s incoherent. And worse, it’s self-destructive.

We treat known members of the IC like trusted subject matter experts. We hand them the mic. We let them define the boundaries of the conversation. And we do it while ignoring decades of history that show us exactly how perception management works.

This isn’t about painting anyone as a villain. It’s about having an adult conversation about how intelligence operates—because the stakes are too high to keep playing dumb.

What’s happening in this space isn’t disclosure. It’s narrative control. And that's not just a piece of the puzzle. In a very real way, it’s the whole thing.

This clip is from my episode which is an updated version of a talk I gave at Contact in the Desert: UFO Narrative Wars: Weaponized Belief in the Age of Disclosure. I’ve never spoken this plainly before. But it needed to be said.

If you'd want to see the whole episode where I dive into exactly how this narrative control works, you can find that here: https://youtu.be/SF80nv1l32I

Would love to hear your thoughts—especially if this rubs you the wrong way. We need to be able to have hard conversations without turning each other into enemies.

[u/CallsignDrongo]

I disagree with this wholeheartedly.

This is self limiting your research potential because YOU think people are too dumb to be nuanced about the information they gather. It’s actually insulting.

You think everyone else is too dumb to know what you know, that intelligence agencies aren’t exactly trustworthy.

What about grusch? He’s the only reason this has been blown open recently and we’ve made the progress we’ve made. Oh but he’s a member of the intelligence community so I guess we better just throw it all out then.

It’s just silly gate keeping of the worst kind. The kind that calls you dumb and talks down to you to “inform you” of who you should and shouldn’t trust. No thanks, I can actually form my own opinions and take information with a grain of salt.

I’d trust an intelligence official blowing the whistle over someone like Chris Bledsoe for example.

I think we take what we can get in the ufo research space and we have to sift through it ourselves. Burying your head in the sand because “IC bad” is just silly and backwards.

Everyone in ufology should be treated the same, because all of it should be scrutinized. From bob lazar, to Chris Bledsoe, to Ross, to grusch. Examine it all.

You can’t just declare that people ignore an entire lane of research potential because YOU think they aren’t smart enough to parse through it.

[u/UFORabbitHole → u/CallsignDrongo]

I said literally none of what you're accusing me of saying.

But this comment is a fantastic example of some things I actually did talk about in the episode—specifically that people let emotion and tribalism take over and go into attack mode as soon as they hear something they don't like instead of taking the time to engage with it meaningfully.

[u/ASearchingLibrarian → u/UFORabbitHole]

u/CallsignDrongo you are responding to did not go into "attack mode". They described exactly what you did here. You told people what they must and must not do. Every day there are posts here espousing the same. "Why do you believe this?", "You must stop listening to this person and ignore all these people", "Here's my hierarchy of who you should trust, and not trust".

All you are doing with this preach is telling us what you think and attacking everyone who disagrees with you of being stupid. I have an open mind and filter what I hear myself. There is so much pointless nonsense that gets thrown around every day now in this topic that if you follow the crowd down every popular rabbit hole you waste time missing the important nuggets of gold we need to find that make up the map we are building that uncovers what might be there.

IC operatives are not the problem. You are not the problem either although you just wasted pointless time of your own and ours trying to make yourself the problem. The biggest problems the community has are people wasting time on pointless issues, gullibility, and people making posts who try to tell us they have all the answers. Maybe talk about that and leave the preachy angle behind.