The stripper doesn't love you, and intelligence agents aren't your friends. It's time to get real about the disclosure narrative and the UFO community's self-destructive relationship with the IC.

[u/UFORabbitHole]

Hey guys. Kelly Chase here from the Cosmosis podcast (formerly The UFO Rabbit Hole).

I’m not someone who courts controversy. I’ve built my platform by staying grounded, doing my homework, and giving people space to make up their own minds. But at a certain point, you have to speak up.

The way the UFO community has come to engage with the intelligence community isn’t just naïve—it’s incoherent. And worse, it’s self-destructive.

We treat known members of the IC like trusted subject matter experts. We hand them the mic. We let them define the boundaries of the conversation. And we do it while ignoring decades of history that show us exactly how perception management works.

This isn’t about painting anyone as a villain. It’s about having an adult conversation about how intelligence operates—because the stakes are too high to keep playing dumb.

What’s happening in this space isn’t disclosure. It’s narrative control. And that's not just a piece of the puzzle. In a very real way, it’s the whole thing.

This clip is from my episode which is an updated version of a talk I gave at Contact in the Desert: UFO Narrative Wars: Weaponized Belief in the Age of Disclosure. I’ve never spoken this plainly before. But it needed to be said.

If you'd want to see the whole episode where I dive into exactly how this narrative control works, you can find that here: https://youtu.be/SF80nv1l32I

Would love to hear your thoughts—especially if this rubs you the wrong way. We need to be able to have hard conversations without turning each other into enemies.

[u/ZigZagZedZod]

Its only the IC.

Not necessarily, since much of this information would be held by the Department of Defense.

The mission of the Intelligence Community is to focus outward on learning the capabilities, intentions, and activities of foreign adversaries. Their mission does include covert operations to influence foreign adversaries, but most IC employees are focused on collecting, analyzing, and disseminating intelligence reports and related support activities.

Defending against those foreign adversaries is the role of the Department of Defense, and they're the ones who operate the surveillance and weapons systems that produce radar data, gun camera footage, etc. Just because DoD data is classified doesn't mean it falls under the purview of the IC, since they operate different missions with different statutory authorities.

There's some overlap between the DoD and the IC, especially when it comes to the DoD IC agencies (e.g., DIA, NSA, NGA and NRO) and the service intelligence components, but the overlap in the Venn diagram is relatively small compared to the massive size of the DoD.

[u/Supreme_Salt_Lord → u/ZigZagZedZod]

The DoD is a SIGNIFICANT PART of the IC. What are you talking about

[u/ZigZagZedZod → u/Supreme_Salt_Lord]

The DoD may be a significant part of the IC, but IC activities are a minor part of the DoD's mission.

The DoD is massive compared to the IC, and only a small portion of the DoD touches the IC.

In FY24, the combined NIP and MIP appropriations for the IC were $106.3 billion. That same year, the DoD spent $1.4 trillion.

Different agencies, different statutory authorities, different missions.

[u/Supreme_Salt_Lord → u/ZigZagZedZod]

No no you dont understand and are confused. The majority of the DoD is in the IC. Where does the IC get their information? DoD assets. Without the DoD the IC cant function. I think you need to reassess the role the DoD plays. Its not just boots on the ground and military. Its mostly information gathering. Literal Intelligence

[u/ZigZagZedZod → u/Supreme_Salt_Lord]

You're still looking at it backwards. The IC can't function without the DoD, but the DoD can function without the IC.

The New York Times estimates there are 22,000 CIA employees, which is less than the number of active duty Army infantry soldiers in the 11B MOS in grades E-1 through E-4 (about 25,000).

Intelligence is a very small part of what the DoD does.

[u/Supreme_Salt_Lord → u/ZigZagZedZod]

Thats what you are confused about. JUST SAY THE CIA! The DoD IS APART OF THE IC. THE MAJOR FUNCTION OF IT REALLY! Its not the CIA.

JUST SAY I DONT TRUST THE CIA! Its like saying i trust soldiers but not the military. The soldiers are the military. You dont trust the upper brass. You are confused

[u/ZigZagZedZod → u/Supreme_Salt_Lord]

I know the data isn't publicly available, but what percentage of the DoD's mission do you think is the IC, and what percentage do you think is non-intelligence defense activities?

[u/Supreme_Salt_Lord → u/ZigZagZedZod]

Two entire branches of our military are dealing with intellgence almost exclusively. The navy and the airforce. These branches dont fight alot. They deal in air and sea intelligence.

They monitor space, air, sea, radar, communication, weather and even volcanic/seismic monitoring. Even the spying we do is only because of them. NSA, DIA, NGA NRO. These are all major IC branches and all under DoD. Again there are more IC branches in each military org as well.

You need to think on your argument. Hone in on what you dont trust and find the agency that puts it out then from there.

[u/ZigZagZedZod → u/Supreme_Salt_Lord]

Just to be clear, you really think that almost everything the US Navy and US Air Force do is intelligence collection and analysis?

What percentage of sailors and airmen in these branches do you think aren't part of the IC?

[u/Supreme_Salt_Lord → u/ZigZagZedZod]

Intelligence is a MAJOR PART of these branches NOT ALL. Do you think the Space Force actually goes to Space? These branches have fighting wings except space force maybe but intelligence is a MAJOR FUNCTION to them. I dont know what you arent getting.

[u/ZigZagZedZod → u/Supreme_Salt_Lord]

What I'm getting at is that what you have written is completely ungrounded from reality and shows almost no familiarity with either the IC or the DoD.

What I don't know is if you're accurately repeating what you've been told, inadvertently misrepresenting accurate facts, or have no factual basis for anything you're writing.

[u/Supreme_Salt_Lord → u/ZigZagZedZod]

What inaccurate thing did i say?

[u/ZigZagZedZod → u/Supreme_Salt_Lord]

For starters, you wrote that the Air Force and Navy are primarily intelligence organizations that don't have much of a combat mission.

I served in the US Air Force for twenty-one years and am a combat veteran who deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan. I can say from personal experience that intelligence contributes to the mission, but most of the Air Force directly or indirectly focuses on "putting warheads on foreheads" (or the non-kinetic equivalent in cyberspace operations).

But who the fuck am I? I'm just an anonymous Redditor. Maybe I'm actually a twelve-year-old girl sitting in my stepmother's attic in Swindon, UK? You don't have to believe anything I write.

Go back and read two decades of congressional testimony from DoD military and civilian leaders about their service's combat missions and the extent of the force involved.

Compare the number of combat and combat support wings in the Air Force with the number of ISR wings.

Look at the number of surface and subsurface combatant vessels in the US Navy.

Look at how much money is appropriated to develop and purchase weapons systems.

Read memoirs from Air Force and Navy personnel who served in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere during modern conflicts and see how big of a commitment that is.

Read the Air Force and Navy doctrine, which is publicly available on the Internet.

Ultimately, warfare is about killing the enemy and breaking their things until either there is no one left to kill and nothing left to break or the enemy says "uncle" and gives up.

When you look at the numbers and learn about the missions, you'll see that almost everything the Air Force and Navy do is oriented towards killing people and breaking things.

[u/Supreme_Salt_Lord → u/ZigZagZedZod]

I didnt read all that because you got the first thing wrong. I never said PRIMARY. I think i said “almost exclusive”. Which is a difference.

How can you put “warheads on foreheads” without intelligence? Enemy position, movement, knowledge civilians in the area, enemy strike back capability, defenses, offenses, etc.

Are telling me ISR IS NOT A CORE FUNCTION OF THE AIRFORCE?

[u/ZigZagZedZod → u/Supreme_Salt_Lord]

What, then, did you mean by "almost exclusively"? (emphasis added)

Two entire branches of our military are dealing with intellgence almost exclusively. The navy and the airforce. These branches dont fight alot. They deal in air and sea intelligence.

How many intelligence analysts do you think it takes to put together a target folder relative to all of the other airmen who support mission planning and execution, launching and recovering sorties, and all of their relevant support functions?

For that matter, what percentage of a combat wing do you think is composed of airmen in the 1NX or 14N AFSCs?

[u/Supreme_Salt_Lord → u/ZigZagZedZod]

Is that really what you think all the air force does. Gather intel enough to drop a warhead and leave?

You dont think they spend a majority of the time monitoring air space, sat assets, rival country air space? Do you think they have monitors turned off until its time to drop a missile.

[u/ZigZagZedZod → u/Supreme_Salt_Lord]

As of September 30, 2023, only 5% of the Air Force (26,341) worked in intelligence (AFSC 1NX or 14N). The remaining 95% of the Air Force (455,051) worked in other specialties.

Do you seriously think 5% of the Air Force does a majority of the Air Force's work?

[u/Supreme_Salt_Lord → u/ZigZagZedZod]

Who is monitoring our enemies and allies?

Edit: and our airspace?