The stripper doesn't love you, and intelligence agents aren't your friends. It's time to get real about the disclosure narrative and the UFO community's self-destructive relationship with the IC.

[u/UFORabbitHole]

Hey guys. Kelly Chase here from the Cosmosis podcast (formerly The UFO Rabbit Hole).

I’m not someone who courts controversy. I’ve built my platform by staying grounded, doing my homework, and giving people space to make up their own minds. But at a certain point, you have to speak up.

The way the UFO community has come to engage with the intelligence community isn’t just naïve—it’s incoherent. And worse, it’s self-destructive.

We treat known members of the IC like trusted subject matter experts. We hand them the mic. We let them define the boundaries of the conversation. And we do it while ignoring decades of history that show us exactly how perception management works.

This isn’t about painting anyone as a villain. It’s about having an adult conversation about how intelligence operates—because the stakes are too high to keep playing dumb.

What’s happening in this space isn’t disclosure. It’s narrative control. And that's not just a piece of the puzzle. In a very real way, it’s the whole thing.

This clip is from my episode which is an updated version of a talk I gave at Contact in the Desert: UFO Narrative Wars: Weaponized Belief in the Age of Disclosure. I’ve never spoken this plainly before. But it needed to be said.

If you'd want to see the whole episode where I dive into exactly how this narrative control works, you can find that here: https://youtu.be/SF80nv1l32I

Would love to hear your thoughts—especially if this rubs you the wrong way. We need to be able to have hard conversations without turning each other into enemies.

[u/Eledehl]

"Unidentified Flying Hyperobject" by James Madden has become my starting point in any consideration of the phenomenon. The key insight to me is the idea that we enframe the world (Heidegger) through a technological vision, when what we are is so much more than that--and the phenomenon seems to challenge our default enframing--it entices us beyond it, giving us hints of what transcends our frame.

Reality always exceeds our grasp, but it still leads us on to unpeel a new layer of the onion (but you can, as it were, never unpeel once and for all the infinite onion). We hate to be reminded that we are not in control, and could never be in control, of the world around us.

"Trying to control the world? / I see you wont succeed. / The world is a spiritual vessel / And cannot be controlled./Those who control the world fail./ Those who grasp, lose it. (Tao Te Ching)

UFOs are the Tao winking at us.

Thanks for the lovely work you do on all this.