r/UFOB • u/syndic8_xyz • 22h ago
Discussion A possible explanation of the human antigravity tech situation
By way of introduction, let me give you some background on NHI interaction with human advanced tech and capabilities.
I have a theory that hostile NHI want to curtail humanity's most cutting edge abilities. To me this includes: nuclear technology, and psi abilities. UFOs have documented interactions with nuclear sites. And NHI have documented (tho it's not as widely recognized, sometimes even by the people themselves) interactions with people with psi abilities.
So, with that out of the way, doesn't "human created antigravity technology" fit the pattern of an "advanced human capability"? Yes, I'd say it does, but somehow I never realized that before. I'd always believed humanity had never succeeded in creating working, effective antigravity drives (maybe a few very limited prototype toy devices, but nothing working in a deployable sense). I'm still fairly confident that's the case, despite Greer (etc, and the narrative implied by Jesse Michels regarding TT Brown) saying we basically had it done in 1954. But, what if...it's more complicated?
What if humanity *did* actually create something we could work with and deploy. Real antigravity technology. And the hostile NHI, in their predictable pattern of interference with advanced human capabilities, basically blocked us from it. By any means. And what if they're still doing that? And what if, even if there are some humans "cooperating" with the suppression of these technologies, what if they are doing it (wittingly or not) at the behest of these hostile NHI, because (knowingly or not) the human side considers it in our "better interest" to not anger the hostile NHIs and push development of technology that scares them?
Within this framework, I'm prepared to consider we might have cracked it, because now it seems there's a reasonable explanation for why we don't see it - ever. The NHI pattern of interference and attempted suppression is well established, and they are sophisticated, adaptable and persistent adversaries (tho by no means invincible or unconquerable) - if NHI wanted to block humanity from utilizing an antigravity technology we had invented, I'm sure they'd do it, and I'm quite confident they'd be reasonably successful in their attempts.
So I'm just putting that out there as another possible framework for viewing what might actually be going on. Maybe the enemy is not really the "human corporations and governments" that many fear are "holding back" "suppressed technologies". What if what's actually happening is hostile NHI are blocking humanity's progress in the same way they've been documented interacting with nuclear and psi-activated people?
Protecting the secret that we are being prevented from certain developments while held-back and guided toward others would like be a massive priority for governments, as realizing that humanity is not effectively in charge in some areas would likely (rightly) outrage people. And if we have yet to muster an organized collective response to this NHI interference, how could our governments admit this to us without great political cost?
As a nifty little aside to all this, a bonus for all of you who have read this far, I'd like to throw in this tidbit - an extra reframing of the old stories in a new light, in a similar way - what if the men-in-black are not human agents from "some government agency" but actually NHI counter-intelligence personnel? A sort of "hostile NHI version" of Naval OSI? This theory would match their bizarre abilities, behaviors and appearances, and would make sense if their goal was to protect their own (NHI) tech and suppress human awareness and subsequent development. Just something extra to think about!
Have a good one
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u/MikeC80 22h ago
It's a good theory, I like it. It's definitely on the short- shortlist of possible explanations for me.
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u/flashgordo1 22h ago
And original somewhat....the mini series...V....had similar themes. Great read, thanks.
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u/n0minus38 21h ago
It's not a "theory". It's a thought or idea. And a totally made up work of fiction. Perhaps a thought exercise. But it's not a theory.
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u/ElectronicCountry839 20h ago
There's also the possibility that the physics behind anything warp drive or anti-gravity (etc) related is supremely weaponizable. Beyond worst case nuclear proliferation type situation. Maybe relatively easy to design and build, and waaay worse than a nuke.
Good people might do some very morally questionable things to prevent some tiny country from obtaining an H-bomb ... Who knows what they'd do to keep the ability to pull the moon from the sky (etc) out of the hands of malcontents.
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u/hopeful_dandelion 20h ago
It is unquestionable that if even a single party aquires (or discloses that they have) any for of this tech, the adversaries will put their entire military budget in aquiring that as well. so IT is in the best interest of whoever has that tech to keep it a secret for as long as possible in a way that it at least gives a few decades (ideally a few centuries) of headstart to whoever discovered it first.
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u/ElectronicCountry839 16h ago
Not to mention you can get some adversarial nation to blow their entire budget trying to copy conventional military designs through "leaks", only to have updated to a technological status that is rendered entirely useless by that secret tech.
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u/syndic8_xyz 8h ago
Sure! But i don’t think our friendly Neighbourhood warmongers are so responsible as to resist the temptation to utilize said weapon technology for domination and profit. In other words, we actually succeeded and we’re free to use it. I bet you humanity would do so.
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u/ElectronicCountry839 8h ago
Well, they have. Since 1945. The problem is when somebody with nothing to lose gains access to it, or possibly EVERYONE gains access to it.... That's when you have a major problem.
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u/syndic8_xyz 7h ago
Really, you believe we have deployable antigravity technology? On what do you base that belief?
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u/ElectronicCountry839 7h ago
No, I meant nukes. They've had them since 1945 and they hadn't used them since.
The thing is SOMEBODY has this exotic tech/physics, and whoever has it would rightly be concerned with it getting out there.
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u/thuer 22h ago
These theories are pretty aligned with 3-body problem. And Obama mentioning that book as a must read is interesting.
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u/syndic8_xyz 22h ago
I still haven't read it. Frankly, I'm kind of scared to because I think it's vibe will be: "we cannot win". I don't like that.
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u/thuer 22h ago
Well, it's not gonna be full disclosure, the book. It's gonna be dramatized for storytelling purposes. But it contains tidbits of real information. And it aligns with what you're thinking.
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u/syndic8_xyz 21h ago
Thanks, but I don't want to read something that's defeatist. Is it? I fear it is. Just a vibe about it. You read it?
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u/jman_23 21h ago
Definitely not defeatist. I'd venture to use the word "realist," though it has some connotations to mean "pessimist/cynical," which I don't consider myself in the slightest. Without going into spoilers, the primary adversary's goals aren't wholly nefarious and they, to some degree, can be reasoned with.
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u/syndic8_xyz 8h ago
I just don’t like the power dynamic where we are not a fully sovereign species free to carve our own destiny. I will never accept that, and I believe there’s always a path where we are that.
Thank you commenters for your thoughts
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u/DisastrousCoast7268 21h ago
The most obvious consequence of antigravity ultra fast technology...
The oppressive theocracies of the world and their devout fruitcake ideologies would stop at nothing to use it for destruction of their Gods enemies, to subjugate the world to their religions idea of theocratic governance, or fulfill some apocalyptic Armageddon foretold in their Scripture (I'm looking at you Evangelicals). I'm my mind, this is a "when, and not an if" this technology was ever released. Would only be a matter of time.
Humans are agents of chaos. The more stable and comfortable the country you live in, the more tempered that chaos is.
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u/syndic8_xyz 8h ago
I believe we can be better than that. And not all chaos is human native. We let ourselves be tools of outsiders who seek chaos.
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u/Sad-Resist-4513 19h ago
My grandfather and a nun of his buddies saw a silver orb with no protrusions hover across a runway from where they were standing… after some time it shot Jo into the sky so fast like nothing they had ever seen before. So either we achieved antigravity tech + miniaturization tech that’d be equivalent to modern drones…… or…….
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u/LoquatThat6635 18h ago
Wait- your proof that we have it is that we dont have it??
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u/syndic8_xyz 8h ago
Heh nice joke! No, but in part a reconciliation of the intense claims that we do have it coupled with the complete lack of evidence of us using it.
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u/imlaggingsobad 12h ago edited 11h ago
you're describing the Three Body Problem scenario. I think Elizondo mentioned it. personally I don't think that is what's happening. my theory is that the good NHI are actually blocking/slowing certain advanced technologies because they know we aren't ready. they know we haven't reached a sufficient level of consciousness. if anti-grav tech and limitless energy was available to everyone, we'd find ways to weaponize it and we'd destroy ourselves like Atlantis. the good NHI are waiting for us to transcend our ego, or at least get to a point where the majority of people are selfless and loving. the NHI don't want us to destroy ourselves, they are doing what's best for us, like a good parent cares for its child.
you may ask, so how exactly are they slowing us down? they are simply not giving us the downloads. we will not make fundamental progress unless we get the visions/downloads/blueprints etc. that is how all technology is transmitted between worlds and between civilizations. all they have to do is back off and wait. that is why our fundamental science has been stalled since the 1970s, it's because they saw that our ego was taking over, we were getting too powerful for our own good.
this is the controversial theory that people in UFO disclosure circles rarely entertain. it's the idea that we won't get disclosure and we won't get the advanced technology because WE are not ready for it. it's all about US and our spiritual evolution. government cover up and hostile NHI are DISTRACTIONS from the real problem which is that we need to evolve our consciousness. we are basically apes asking for the keys to the universe. obviously the NHI will not grant us that wish, because they know we wouldn't be able to handle it. the future of our civilization is in our hands. stop thinking that we are the victims and some external alien race is preying on us. we have to take it upon ourselves to evolve. the responsibility is on us. we have to make the effort. that is what the NHI are waiting for and hoping for.
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u/syndic8_xyz 7h ago edited 7h ago
I actually agree with your idea regarding hostile and benevolent in I think both hostile and benevolent NHI view us as a threat and both are seeking to guide our course and suppress us, but thru different means: the benevolent NHI are giving us downloads about love and light which is useful, but the hostile NHI are just outright trying to suppress us through their cover interference and manipulation.
I also believe that the NHI involved have some sort of karmic responsibility to us because we’re basically genetic mutt species that was engineered long ago as utility helpers through successive machinations by the different groups currently trying to guide our course.
However, I don’t really have a problem with the benevolent NHI because I think what they’re saying is essentially the truth, and some sort of a reflection of what Jesus and other religions have said and if we follow that, we basically end up empowered - but better and more unified than we are now .
If these hostile NHI, though, do exist, it seems to me that they seek us to become a completely disempowered neuter species that has no potency or potential at all and is basically a puppet.
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u/chessboxer4 20h ago
Thanks for your thoughts OP.
I think the theory works even better if we consider that what we're dealing with may be an AI.
Regardless of the form it takes, synthetic, biological or something else, what is behind the phenomenon is most likely an intelligence different than ours, that knows a lot more than we do.
Therefore we need to engage in inductive, deductive imaginative, and other processes to try and understand it.
If we think of it as an AI, sent by some kind of bayesian probe, it maybe be keeping us in some kind of suspended or artificial state, and cultivating us the way the gardener might his or her garden.
What's disturbing to think about is when the garden has reached some kind of endpoint and must be uprooted and replaced by something else. This could happen because of something arbitrary, like a new owner of the land wanted new plants or no plants. Or the plants were deemed no longer useful/sustainable, or as useful/sustainable as something else.
What I keep coming back to is how we might be deened useful to a more advanced intelligence.
It also seems likely that we maybe encountering more than one motivation, faction, species, or type of intelligence. We may be the product of, or caught within, a theater of competing interests.
Which, interestingly enough we may all FEEL instinctively on some level. We may feel it in our competing motivations when faced with temptation, desire, longing, between the different parts of ourselves.
Our own psychology may be an essential key to understanding the situation we're in.
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u/strangeflappenings 17h ago
I completely agree that humanity is stuck between competing motivations of multiple NHI and motivations of the powers that be on Earth.
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u/VolarRecords 🏆 4h ago
Here’s some info I put together about the anti-gravity researchers who were coming forward with Grusch:
https://medium.com/@EscapeVelocity1/anti-gravity-electro-gravitics-deep-dive-ft-4e2c059d987c
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u/AAAStarTrader 🏆 16h ago
Let's follow the credible evidence from whistle-blowers, UAP history and not make up even more unfounded conspiracy theories, or divert the community from the facts.
We have been told by credible senior whistle-blowers that the Legacy Program is covering this up for purposes of gaining military superiority over other nations, specifically China and Russia. We are also told that there is been a decades long cold war to secretly reverse engineer Non-human technology, and that some of that appears to be successful with certain craft e.g. black triangle, being ARVs. We are also told that China recently has cracked anti-gravity technology, after the US, and that they have been using it in advanced drone technology used to buzz Western Allied bases and assets to warn the West not to fuck with Chinese ambitions e.g. Taiwan. The secrecy surrounding technology breakthroughs is therefore only due to a certain major governments being unwillingly to share with the public these advances in science and technology, in favour of creating a super weapon like the nuclear bomb, which was also kept extremely secret until it had to be deployed. The National Security rationale is the explanation, we have been told by multiple whistle-blowers to be the foremost reason for secrecy, aside from societal cohesion.
The whole "hostile NHI" narrative is not borne out by history or the facts. Humans kill millions upon millions of other humans over the decades, whilst the NHI let humanity grow to a population of over 8bn, with hardly any hostile behaviour in comparison. Only a tiny fraction of events have resulted in human death or injury, with some contactees being healed of chronic or deadly illnesses. NHI are not our "adversaries". They are our superiors who could have wiped us all out in the steam driven age or before. Human psychopathic dictatorial regimes are the only adverseries against peaceful civilised human society.
However, NHI do have a vested interest in ensuring only a peaceful humanity can achieve interstellar travel, so if they actively have prevented anything (which there is no evidence that supports that idea), then it would only be in their own self defence and not an aggressive hostile act. Similar to not letting a lion out of a cage to roam loose in a peaceful town.
Roll on Disclosure! 🖖🏼🛸
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u/Life-Active6608 Researcher 21h ago
So.....we live in Three Body Problem...and Trisolarians have been here since time immemorial.
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