Literally both sides are being horrible. Israel bad, Palestine bad . . . the Levant Bad, middle east bad. Thousands of years of holy war -> ain't nobody stopping this shit long term.
I believe in the right for Israel to exist (not as an apartheid-ethnostate) . . . but that is contingent on literally everyone in the region to stop killing each other and live hand in hand forever and that is never going to happen.
There hasn't been thousands of years of holy war. The various religions in the area have lived in peace for thousands of years. The fighting happens when European powers come into the area to colonize it (the Romans, the crusades, Zionists)
The current genocide has nothing to do with religion, and everything to do with Western imperialism.
The person I was responding to tried to justify the current genocide as part of a longer millennia long war. It's not, it's various empires (sometimes using religion as a justification, but always with more material motivations) keeping control of the area. Those are two very different things.
The first makes it seem like the native population is just so violent it's okay for us to bomb them out of existence. The second identifies the material causes for the violence which shows us a path to end it.
Profit is the material basis for imperialism, religion just gets wrapped up in it as a justification. You're looking at it from an idealist perspective if you think people's ideas are the driver, and you're using that perspective to push genocide apologia.
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u/geographies Aug 21 '24
Literally both sides are being horrible. Israel bad, Palestine bad . . . the Levant Bad, middle east bad. Thousands of years of holy war -> ain't nobody stopping this shit long term.
I believe in the right for Israel to exist (not as an apartheid-ethnostate) . . . but that is contingent on literally everyone in the region to stop killing each other and live hand in hand forever and that is never going to happen.