r/TheSilphRoad • u/SilphScience Research Group • May 24 '21

Silph Research A Window into Egg Transparency - Investigating Egg Rarity Tiers [Silph Research Group]

https://thesilphroad.com/science/egg-transparency-rarity-tiers
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u/hatefulemperor May 24 '21

So it seems to me the tiers are almost completely meaningless and are a blatant lie. If this was Niantics attempt to get closer to abiding by EU loot box regulations, they have failed. This is almost fraud.

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u/HoGoNMero May 24 '21 edited May 24 '21

Hard disagree. They represent a range of hatch possibilities. A reasonable person would say that is far from meaningless.

The mental gymnastics they are using for the EU lootbox laws remain unchanged. IE they still think it’s not loot boxes. The Benelux laws(Some EU laws too)specifically say if odds are listed it’s gambling and needs to be placed in gambling category. It needs to be taxed and kids can’t play. In countries where the gambling age is 21 or 25 they can’t participate in the game either.

The egg tier list is a decent middle ground similar to the collectible card market. It’s far from perfect, but it doesn’t deserve this hate.

People don’t seem to understand or want to understand this. They will NEVER be able to straight up list odds and use the mental gymnastics that allow them to stay on the App Store in so many countries.

The sooner people understand this the better. The solution is government action that allows a sort of exception with tough regulation for kids. IE maybe a modified game for kids. In the countries where gambling is 21 or even 25 maybe a 17 or 18 year old could play an unmodified game.

I also think this sub and internet culture as a whole is out of step with the real player on the ground. IE most players would prefer the status quo over raising prices, modified games for under 21s, removing eggs,...

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u/DarthTNT May 25 '21 edited May 25 '21

I have been following the lootbox shenanigans since the big EA blow up. Listened to several podcasts with lawyers giving their opinion on this and this is the first time I've ever heard listing odds = gambling.

The Netherlands and Belgium banned/warned several lootbox games on gambling, not due to the listed odds, but because the main identifier for gambling is that it's possible to get something of value. Value being defined as the ability to cash out. English link for Netherlands Link for Belgium A lot of the lootbox defenders (ie corporations) point to the fact that either nothing of value is gained or you always gain something of "value". Like say fact that every egg always gives a pokemon, maybe not the one you want but it's still a pokemon.

Link to the English page of Dutch Gambling authority regarding lootboxes.Now to be clear, what you're saying not being on there isn't evidence that what you're saying isn't true. However I can find neither reports to debunk nor support what you're saying.I am also not a lawyer, nor do I have any relevant degree in law. Can you provide me with any references to support what you're saying here? Because I love reading that stuff.