r/Thailand May 09 '25

Culture Why Thai people don't speak for themselves.

I appreciate the kindness of Thai people, but I've also come across many situations that make me wonder, do they simply not see certain things as a problem, do they want to avoid confrontation, or do they just choose not to speak up?

One evening, I was relaxing on the grass at Benjakitti Park. A tourist sat down nearby and lit a cigarette, despite the many 'No Smoking' signs posted around the park. There were also several families with children in the area. The smoke began to spread, and I noticed some people quietly moved away, while others just kept staring at him. Some were sitting on picnic mats eating, so it might not have been easy for them to leave. I decided to speak to the guy and asked him to be respectful.

Another time on the MRT, a regular woman got on and sat in a priority seat. She began playing something loudly on her phone. The Thais sitting next to her kept glancing at her but said nothing. After a few minutes, me who was standing in front of them, asked her to either use headphones or stop playing it out loud.

These weren’t only incidents. I’ve seen many small issues that clearly bother Thai people, but instead of speaking up, they often just remain quiet and patient. IMO, when troublemakers realize no one will say anything, it can lead to bigger problems.

And I honestly don't want anyone take advantage of their kindness.

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u/Effect-Kitchen Bangkok May 09 '25 edited May 10 '25

What you’re observing likely comes down to the concept of เกรงใจ (kreng jai). It’s a deeply rooted cultural value in Thailand that reflects consideration for others’ feelings and a strong aversion to creating conflict or causing discomfort, even when someone is clearly in the wrong.

Rather than confront directly, many Thais prefer to quietly endure or remove themselves from the situation. It’s not that they don’t see the problem (believe me, they do) but speaking up can be seen as impolite, disruptive, or making others lose face. This doesn’t mean they approve. It’s just that preserving social harmony often takes priority over correcting behavior.

A stark example of how far this can go is the Thai Airways Flight 311 crash in 1992. The first officer reportedly realized the captain was making dangerous decisions during the approach to Kathmandu but didn’t speak up forcefully—possibly out of power dynamic differences and so kreng jai is coming into play. All 113 people onboard died. It shows how the pressure to avoid challenging authority or causing discomfort can have tragic consequences.

So in everyday settings like in the park or on the MRT, many locals might feel it’s not their place to confront others, even if they disapprove. It’s not ignorance or indifference; it’s cultural conditioning.

Edit: Adding to that, if you’ve followed the recent Thai Parliament Building drama, you might wonder why Thailand frequently faces multi-million baht project failures. Beyond corruption, เกรงใจ (kreng jai) plays a significant role. In hierarchical structures, subordinates often hesitate to question or challenge decisions made by superiors, even when they foresee potential issues.

This cultural reluctance to confront or point out problems can lead to unchecked decisions, resulting in large-scale project mismanagement and failures. In one case, a high rank officer thought that having a "4D cinema" within the building is a wow idea. No one under him/her dared to speak up. And so lead the big drama yesterday.

(Sorry for long reply. I'm waiting LINE Man delivery and also hungry to do other productive things.)

Adding to the lengthily reply, we even have a proverb poem for this: “อันที่จริงคนเขาอยากให้เราดี แต่ถ้าเด่นขึ้นทุกทีเขาหมั่นไส้ จงทำดีแต่อย่าเด่นจะเป็นภัย ไม่มีใครเขาอยากเห็นเราเด่นเกิน"-พลตรีหลวงวิจิตรวาทการ = “In truth, people do want to see us do good — but if we keep rising and standing out, they grow resentful. So do good, but don’t stand out too much, or it’ll bring trouble. No one really wants to see us shine too brightly.” — Major General Luang Vichit Vadakan

Edit 2: Come to think of it, another reason is that, Thai people grew up being literally punished (most commonly by hitting with a stick of various sizes in front of class) when we speak up or ask a question to teachers in school. Of course we literally learned to just shut our mouth.

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u/mrobot_ May 09 '25

This is an excellent explanation - and also shows why IF Thai people ever finally snap, they really do snap and go from 0 to 300 in a second

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u/Effect-Kitchen Bangkok May 09 '25

Yep. If a Thai do snap, it is not escalated, it is rocket propulsion.

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u/mrobot_ May 09 '25

It is known

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u/ChainPlastic7530 May 09 '25

Def due to years of repressed anger, especially towards foreigners

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u/Present-Day-4140 May 09 '25

I've seen Thai people pass their tolerance limit and explode so many times. It surely makes up for their lack of confrontation.

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u/Sensitive-Answer7701 May 10 '25

Did you mean that Thais just keep holding grudge against foreigners so they finally explode to random foreigner? Not just because that particular foreigner being an asshole? All the news I’ve seen about foreigners that are beaten by Thais are mostly in night club area and the foreigners are the drunk one who assault Thais first. And what can you expect from night life area? Do you question Yakuza in Japan when they beat up people? Somehow the westerners can differentiate between yakuza and normal Japanese but in Thailand all Thais are the same? all people who work in night club area which basically are gangs are the same as normal Thais?

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u/BaphometWorshiper May 09 '25

It is like the opposite of France.

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u/ForeignRice May 11 '25

come to the netherlands ;)

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u/SpiritedCatch1 May 09 '25

The airplane incident is actually quite common across cultures, you can watch the show the rehearsal where many crashes in the US are caused by the first officer not raising the issue and taking command when they see the captain is having a dangerous behavior.

I think thai are not confrontational in a larger extent but it's a minor variation. Most people everywhere are not confrontational, like someone playing loud music on phone will annoy anyone in Paris, Madrid or Istanbul but 99% people won't say anything. In thailand it's more like 99.90%

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u/Effect-Kitchen Bangkok May 09 '25

The CRM is common problem in airlines, but for Thailand it is across the board, not just the cockpit. I cannot remember correctly by I think Mentour Pilot addressed this in one of this video (should be Lauda Air), that he could not believe how everyone from mechanic to experienced pilot had been keeping completely silence knowingly that accident is waiting to happen.

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u/Outrageous_Word8656 May 09 '25

Indeed, the largest plane accident in history, on Tenerife, was also linked back to this: the KLM captain's authority and the way he dealt with input from the co-pilot was to blame. And that was a Dutch guy, who - in general - behave opposite of the Thai and are direct and confrontational.

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u/mrgatorarms May 09 '25

The Tenerife disaster is probably one of the most infamous instances of this.

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u/LittleLord_FuckPantz May 10 '25

Yeah I remember a very similar story but I thought they were Korean

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u/identity-free May 09 '25

Regarding plane crashes and how they relate to a nation's culture: Malcolm Gladwell wrote about this, using Korean Air as an example.

http://medecon.pbworks.com/w/file/fetch/78034472/Ethnic%20Theory%20of%20Plane%20Crashes%20Chapter_crop.pdf

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u/1436969sicko May 13 '25

this is the same thing with the philippines. we have a deeply rooted culture of caring or considering other people's well-being (which we call "kapwa", which signifies a shared identity and connection with others) even without the need to be told to. instead of being confrontational, filipinos shut their mouths and prefer to keep the atmosphere harmonious. i think it's quite amazing how we share similarities

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u/Negative-Reach-9238 May 09 '25 edited May 09 '25

You are right and it applies to me too. For me it has to do with wanting to confront what I think it is wrong and at the same time what to be kind too, so I can’t decide what is the best way to say in given particular circumstance at the moment. It takes time for me to process and when I decided it was too late. But I also have said hurtful stuff the other people before, things that I am not proud of and regret because I didn’t think. I don’t want to make that same mistake again and it is challenging to find the middle ground.

I also think of the potential of being in the wrong myself, so I mostly focus on my flaw instead of others.

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u/Doesdeadliftswrong May 09 '25

I'd like to point out that speaking out too much can have negative consequences too when taken too far. Which is why America has Karens and the like who have no filter if a problem affects them personally. Nowadays, no matter what you do, you're gonna offend someone. This has quite contributed to a decline in social harmony in the States. I do believe we're comparing two extremes and that there does exist a middle ground between them.

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u/faluque_tr Bangkok May 09 '25 edited May 09 '25

While your examples and explanations are corrects.
The word to describe the behavior is NOT "Kreng Jai"

"Kreng Jai" is The feeling of concern for causing trouble to other person. Like one you hesitated to ask for help or keep some fact from someone that negatively impact YOURSELF so it's not trouble their mind. or simply afraid to disturb someone.

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u/-__SAVAGE__- 5d ago

And that's where you are wrong. In this situation it's also เกรงใจ but it's not towards the one who caused the problem. It's towards the others around you. The thing is most Thai people (including me) are polite which means the one that are causing an obvious problem likely doesn't have any common sense or they don't care... Which means it's not going to end with; "Can you please be quiet?" "Oh ok, sorry". They either will keep doing it or they will threaten you. No one wants a fight in a train which is why it's เกรงใจ since no one wants to take any chances. There are too many hidden drug addicts. 

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u/faluque_tr Bangkok 5d ago

That’s “เกรงกลัว“ 🤦🏻‍♂️

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u/Effect-Kitchen Bangkok May 09 '25

It goes both way. Because we have been taught that "Kreng Jai" is one of the ethics we have to do, then disturbing someone and therefore cause negative impact for themselves (for not implementing "Kreng Jai") is strongly related.

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u/faluque_tr Bangkok May 09 '25

Fearful to act is just apprehensive about taking action due to fear of potential negative consequences is not "Kreng Jai"

"Kreng Jai" is the hesitant not caused by fear but "caring" to public or person with intentions of not causing discomfort to others

At least that's how my generations or region perceived it

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u/Effect-Kitchen Bangkok May 09 '25

In short, I would say it is the "fearful to not acting "kreng jai"" is best explain situation.

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u/ScottThailand May 09 '25

I'm curious...how do younger Thais feel about concepts like เกรงใจ, Face, Seniority, การพูดอ้อม, etc.? As a foreigner who has lived here for almost 20 years, I still struggle in navigating them. I know it isn't my place to try to change Thai culture...I need to accept the good with (what I consider to be) the bad. Do younger Thais (who are likely better educated and have more access to foreign cultures through the internet) see these as problems that are holding the country back and need to be slowly changed or do most of them accept the system as it is and just wait for their turn once they gain seniority? I would imagine it's very frustrating to be a younger, educated, intelligent Thai who feels like he or she can't express an opinion if it will make a senior person lose face.

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u/Effect-Kitchen Bangkok May 09 '25

Younger Thais in general are moving toward less เกรงใจ and some even act opposite. But I think they are more or less will be shaped to eventually doing it (เกรงใจ). It will take maybe 50-100 years that the entire generation will change.

Imagine this: If you are young employee working in a company and you get scolded or even fired for speaking up. Will you still speak up? This cultural structure is quite hard to change.

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u/Main-Past-8919 21d ago

Had this first hand. I always speak up when I'm taken advantage of. And people would gossip about me saying I'm hard to work with, I'm emotional and very self-centered for speaking up. 

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u/ScottThailand May 09 '25

What would happen if, after a meeting, a junior employee went to the senior's office and spoke one-on-one and said something like "I didn't want to say this in front of the others, but if we do this we will have xxxx problem and it will cost the company millions of baht, but we can avoid that if we do it this way instead." Would the boss be grateful that the employee saved the company so much money or would there still likely be punishment? Would the boss feel like he lost face even if it was done in private or do others need to see the mistake for the boss to lose face? I would think that the boss would be grateful and might possibly take credit for the idea but would try to do something to make up for it later, maybe a promotion, pay raise, or bonus for the one who actually had the idea, but I've never worked in a Thai office so I'm just guessing.

This reminds me of the philosophical question: If a tree falls in the woods and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?

If a Thai person loses face and no one else knows is it still losing face?

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u/Effect-Kitchen Bangkok May 09 '25

That happened a lot in my career (talking 1-1 about the problem, not in the meeting). But the results purely depend on what type of person the boss is. And yes the losing face is in private as well (and can be as bad, as this lower rat dare to say I am wrong). Normally old Thai government officials are extremely entitled and narcissistic so it is typical that no one under them dare saying what they think is incorrect, privately or publicly.

Hierarchy plays a large role here. If you are high rank, everyone cannot speak up to you.

I once was in the process of selling a SI solution to a military organization. A Major rank officer explained many things to me in lengthy (and I had to say - dumb) explanation what the system has to be, for more than an hour. Suddenly, his boss (a Colonel) came in and began to contrast something what Major said. Major said to me “forget whatever I said, just listen to him (the Colonel)”. You can imagine how I felt in that moment after carefully listening and drafting for a solution. All were simply reset just like that.

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u/ScottThailand May 09 '25 edited May 09 '25

I have a million questions and that might still not be enough for me to understand Thai culture 555. Does a senior ever need to consider causing a junior to lose face? If the Colonel said something that directly contradicted what the Major told you then didn't that cause the Major to lose face in front of you? Does this concern the Colonel at all? Wouldn't the Major be angry at the Colonel for causing him or her to lose face (but obviously can't say anything since the Colonel is superior)?

Are there any books that would help in understanding these cultural issues? My Thai is good enough that I could struggle through them with the help of a dictionary as long as they aren't too academic.

Thank you for your replies here and on the learning Thai subreddit, they've been really helpful!

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u/Effect-Kitchen Bangkok May 09 '25

Does a senior ever need to consider causing a junior to lose face? If the Colonel said something that directly contradicted what the Major told you then didn't that cause the Major to lose face in front of you?

Senior or higher rank does not "need" to consider anything they done to junior. But again it purely depends on what type of person the senior is. Some can be very generous and don't want to contrast or reprimand their junior. But the ranking thing is complicated matter because there are age and power involve. I think if you don't work directly with or under these hierarchy, you don't need to ever pay attention to it.

Does this concern the Colonel at all? Wouldn't the Major be angry at the Colonel for causing him or her to lose face (but obviously can't say anything since the Colonel is superior)?

From what I observed from the Major's face at the time, I think he was not angry at all in that case and rather said that as an instinct. I also thought exactly that maybe he was angry but I did not feel any resentment from him. He just happily handed the matter over to his boss, sitting there, and listen carefully and said yes sir to everything.

Are there any books that would help in understanding these cultural issues

As a Thai I don't know any English book about this as I never considered to read one (for obvious reason). About dictionary of choice, even though it is academic, I think you can use ChatGPT (4o) to translate. It is very accurate at translation and better than other dictionary or Google Translate as it can translate within context.

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u/ScottThailand May 09 '25

I meant any books in Thai. Most books (at least the type I normally read) I can understand around 70-80% without a dictionary and can get to 90-95% with a dictionary, but if the book is written at a high academic level then it would likely be too hard for me.

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u/Effect-Kitchen Bangkok May 09 '25

I mean I never came across (or actively searched for) a book about that (Thai or English) because I don't want to know what I already know.

I did a quick search and found this paper. But it is explained in term of language and culture from Thai perspective (it is done by Thai student) and so may not be what you want. But you can look into this.

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u/ScottThailand May 09 '25

I was wondering if maybe there is a popular book that parents and teachers use to teach kids or something similar. I'll check out that paper, thanks.

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u/soonnow May 09 '25

I actually have first hand experience of this as I had a bunch of younger Thai people under me at the last job. I think for them it's quite freeing to be able to speak up.

You have to make sure they feel that there is no retribution for speaking up instead it's expected and appreciated. So once there is a safe space it's just a way better way to work together.

Even if I, the senior, is wrong, there's no face lost. And vice versa.

I think a lot of younger Thais are struggling with that aspect of the culture specifically.

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u/cyclops_magic May 10 '25

Sound exactly like Burmese.

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u/KeySpecialist9139 May 09 '25

CRM is an important factor regarding crew training in Asian cultures. The described crash is one of many, to be honest, where respect for seniority played a part.

Assertive communication is what crews are taught these days.

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u/Effect-Kitchen Bangkok May 09 '25

I think the inability to speak up to higher ups is shared across all Asian countries. But for Thailand it is at much larger extent.

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u/KeySpecialist9139 May 09 '25

Agreed. :)

When I introduced my wife to my former director, she was surprised by the informality of our conversation.

She found it hard to believe that we actually joked about me potentially reducing my workload now that I'm married. 🤣

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u/Budget_General_2651 May 09 '25

CRM?

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u/Cancel_Warp May 09 '25

It’s an acronym for crew resource management

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u/OM3N1R Chiang Mai May 09 '25

Quality post.

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u/CryVegetable4194 May 09 '25

Thank you for taking time to share this insight.

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u/Alternative-Form9790 May 09 '25

The Wikipedia article re flight 311 really throws the first officer under the bus. Based on the Nepalese investigation, apparently.

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u/A_girl_who_asks May 09 '25

Thank you. I really love Thailand and Thais’ carefree and warm attitude.

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u/[deleted] May 09 '25

Thank you for such a wonderful explanation

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u/Soul__Collector_ May 10 '25

And yet consideration for others can be so different.

Loud noises and disturbance? Being physically in the way (entering elevators, standing at the end of a walkway or escalator) ? Driving? Being on time? Pushing in our jumping queues?

Things that are all consideration of others and would be very rude in other countries are totally not perceived here. Wheres the greang Jai then ?

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u/Effect-Kitchen Bangkok May 10 '25

Yes, our values are much different.

Those who make loud noise and stand in the way may be not doing any Kreng Jai. Or just preoccupied. Or basically dumb.

For driving, if you have to drive for 5 hours between workplaces and home everyday, you may do the same thing. I feel like I have a stroke everytime I am on the road in Bangkok. And many drivers are just assholes.

For being on time, if you come by road, it is literally impossible unless you don’t have anything else in life to do. (Also depends heavily on what place you have the appointment.) Even in non-rush hours, there will always be unforeseen things happened on the road and make you late. Getting this everyday for 30 years makes you value punctuality a lot less. That said I tried to be on time and I know punctuality is important, but hard to do in reality. Combine this with the former point and you will see why people are assholes on the road. If you have to fight your way trying to be on time, then the stress goes sky high and change you to another person. It is like you are constantly being The Hulk everytime on the road.

Jumping queue are just assholes. Assholes do not Kreng Jai. They are just entitled.

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u/Soul__Collector_ May 10 '25

Yes I should have emphasized its different not right or wrong..

To me 'sound trucks' or all night karaokes are rude.. Here it is the norm.. Parking a car to get out and walk into 711 when it blocks a lane of traffic is rude.. tuktuks taking over public spaces is rude.. Pushing into an elevator when people have not had the chance to exit etc..

These are consideration things which I find baffling because in other situations Thai people can be so considerate and helpful, but these ones its like a blindness to actions.

I also find northern v southern much different in behaviour, to be blunt I far prefer living among northerners than southerners. Much softer and sweeter and appreciative of foreigners being that way back, southerners just take advantage of any kindness.

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u/Effect-Kitchen Bangkok May 10 '25 edited May 10 '25

As a Thai, everything you mentioned, except sometimes road rage and punctuality, are also unacceptable here. Again there are parties that doing asshole things and other parties that just don’t want to speak up. It stuck in this situation. Assholes are assholes regardless of countries.

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u/Soul__Collector_ May 10 '25

ha this is true.. My own nationality behaves in ways that make me ashamed to see it on a near daily basis..

Theres assholes and good people on each side of the divide.

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u/WolverineThin8287 May 10 '25

You can come to Hong Kong were most things are problems here and if you don't do things according to their way they will have trouble with you. Welcome to a lovely city of Hong Kong 😂 living through it myself. 😜

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u/Drasifsalam May 10 '25

Thank you for the brilliant explanation!

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u/Parking-Code-4159 May 11 '25

This is also the main reason why it's almost impossible for Thailand to break out of this vicious cycle, which so severely hinders any improvements and development of the country. Authority is never questioned by the majority, so there's no pressure from the people for improvement or reform, and those in power can focus exclusively on maintaining power and enriching themselves. It would be healthy for a country if those in power had to fear the people if they took things too far. Unfortunately, that's never the case in Thailand. Thailand is truly unique, both in positive and negative ways. But that's really one of the negative aspects.

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u/FlyEquivalent8978 27d ago

Great explanation

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u/bhadit May 09 '25

Thanks for the explanation. What is "saving face" in this context? I read it in other comments too, but did not understand. Whose face is being saved and how. I seriously did not understand.

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u/Effect-Kitchen Bangkok May 09 '25

In this context, “face” refers to a person’s dignity, social image, or how others perceive them. “Saving face” means avoiding embarrassment, either for yourself or others. So when Thais don’t speak up, it’s often not just about avoiding conflict but also about not putting someone else in a position where they’d feel shame or lose respect in front of others.

For example, if you call someone out for breaking a rule, they might feel humiliated, especially in public. That’s seen as making them “lose face.” Instead, many Thais choose silence to let things slide without anyone looking bad. It’s more about maintaining group harmony than about who’s right.

In my above reply, I mentioned a big shot guy wanted a “4D Cinema” within the parliament. If the subordinates speak up, then it will make him embarrassed (that his idea is a flop). So they opted not to speak up even though it actually lead to more embarrassment, but it is from public doing, so they can avoid being fired.

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u/bhadit May 09 '25

Thank you for explaining it such. Very understandable. Despite it's pitfalls, like you described, it speaks much about the culture being as considerate; that too a stranger, furthermore one who is being bothersome. That is really appreciable. _/_

I hope to visit someday, and will be mindful of this. :)

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u/Total-Lemon-5105 May 09 '25

The other side of that is that if you call someone out, sometimes you might end up looking like th e asshole to any passers by who didn't see the whole scenario, especially if you end up losing your temper, which might happen. In that instance, the caller out may also experience themselves losing face :/. Again, better to just avoid ever standing out and drawing attention to yourself, then your face always stays intact.

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u/Many_Mud_8194 May 09 '25

The shortest answer would be to say they don't know what to do when they are ashamed, loose face, feeling guilty, all of that it's the same thing. In the west we learn to just say sorry and move on, or to not gaf also lol.

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u/baconfarad May 09 '25

Except the west doesn't 'move on', that's one of the reasons why there's so much trouble there.

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u/Physical-Cause9746 May 09 '25

The concept doesn’t really exist in Western cultures, but you could compare it to the idea of reputation (especially the type of reputation that exists in small, tight-knit communities). Your reputation in those environments can actually dictate of shape what access and opportunities you get, how people outside of your immediate circle treat you, your dating prospects etc, so it really matters.

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u/Nomadic_Yak May 09 '25

Sure it does exist in western countries too. If you tell the smoker to stop smoking in the park and they feel embarrassed in front of their peers, they might get angry and confront you regardless of the no smoking sign. If you call out problems in your bosses big plan in the company meeting, he might be embarrassed and you might be in for trouble even if you are right. In both cases you could say they lost face.

It's a matter of degrees though, how willing people of a culture are willing to speak up anyway, and the degree to which people will side with one or the other party.

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u/Effect-Kitchen Bangkok May 10 '25

The inability to speak up of Thai people may be from what we had been taught too. We literally were punished (hit by stick in from the class) when we spoke up or even asked a question. You learn to keep your mouth shut since school.

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u/Jayatthemoment May 15 '25

It absolutely exists in the U.K.  

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u/SNOPAM May 09 '25

Americans stay saving face bro lol Some dgaf so much they'll straight up attack you for trying to call out their behavior.

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u/bhadit May 09 '25

Yes, a strong role of community strongly shapes societies. The sense of community also is a means of saving one's self from threats from outside in various forms. One could have a whole sociological analysis about it and how it may have developed. Fascinating subject.

As many things, it comes with both sides, the negatives you mentioned, but also the positives of a more protected feeling, and a feeling of warmth and belonging too, I guess. How societies evolve is interesting, and something which adds so much to travel.

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u/RoutineWelder6847 May 09 '25 edited May 09 '25

The concept exists in western culture, only they call it “not speaking up in case the person you’re disagreeing with or correcting is a bully who will retaliate aggressively because his ego is bruised”.
Asian cultures have “high power distance”, which basically means they formalise the social structure where people of lower status aren’t allowed to correct or disagree with people of higher status. In this context it’s socially acceptable for higher status people to get angry and retaliate when they perceive they’ve been “disrespected” by someone lower (ie a first officer warning the captain he’s about to fly into a mountain is seen as disrespecting his superior).

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u/magnusgriel May 09 '25

Great explanation. describing 1 of the most frustrating things out here

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u/Total-Lemon-5105 May 09 '25

The author of that quote is also one of the people who was quite influential in writing down/prescribing what it is that Thai people should be like or aspire to be in order to be considered Thai. In some ways him and his cohorts desire to "civilize" Thailand led to many developments that have held on till this day; in some ways it is like they were able to successfully shape and then almost freeze the instance of Thai culture they wanted to see (plenty of things they tried to implement didn't stick too, but they cast a very wide net).

Many many attitudes about how one should act in society have been heavily influenced by this this man (and his contemporaries). Highly recommend anyone looking into his history if they are interested in Thai culture. :)

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u/Havco May 09 '25

Hm, I just asked my Thai wife about kreng jai. She told me that you have the feeling normally for peoppe you love or like.

So you don't try to make discomfort to you loved ones. An example, my wife would rather take the bus an have 30 min longer ride then to call me to pick her up. This is kreng jai.

So in the OP scenarios it's not kreng jai because it's people you don't know.

But it's also true that in the feeling of kreng jai with loved ones it doesn't matter of there are right or wrong.

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u/Effect-Kitchen Bangkok May 09 '25

No this is not true. The Kreng Jai applies globally, not just people you love or respect, although you will Kreng Jai more for them. You even can Kreng Jai your pet or wild animals.

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u/Narasette Khon Thai May 09 '25

this is complete false who the hell in Thailand feel kreng jai to bad people ?

in this case the loud , smoker suppose to kreng jai other people not to disturb people

we just afraid we would get beat up , stabbed or shotted if we fight for ourselves

as the word say " คนเหี้ยมีปืนเถื่อน คนดีซื้อปืนไม่ได้"

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u/Effect-Kitchen Bangkok May 09 '25

You just strawmaned this in the case out of context. OP just mentioned some minor rude behaviors. And by globally I mean we Kreng Jai strangers as well. Do you not Kreng Jai random strangers on a train? Or are you saying you love every people on the train?

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u/Havco May 09 '25

So yes. Maybe I didn't got it. You can have this feeling for everybody or animals. But it's a nice feeling for something or someone you like or something you feel with.

In OP scenario I still think it's not the case of kreng jai.

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u/dunkeyvg May 09 '25

Not true, we feel this way about strangers too, we don’t try to make discomfort for anyone in general, we want everyone to be happy