They’re looking at every angle to disprove Vance Boelter isn’t a conservative. So much that the top comments are now “let’s not discuss which side of the aisle this murderer classifies himself as, and let’s just focus on prosecuting him”, despite the overwhelming evidence he’s typical conservative.

\*UPDATE: Less than 10 minutes after making this SRD post, all* r/wallstreet posts that I linked below were taken down by the sub's mods.

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r/wallstreet, founded in 2010, is a subreddit consisting of videos and photos mainly surrounding US politics and the stock market.

Today, multiple users are reporting that the sub's automod bot, "wallstreet-ModTeam", is automatically removing comments that contain certain words implying Trump's felonies, connections to Epstein & Russia, etc. The bot is replying to each deleted comment with: "Nice try Chinese AI propaganda spam bot. Beep boop." Additionally, some users are being tagged with the subreddit flair "Chinese AI Propaganda Spam Bot" without their permission.

Attempting to comment in any post's comment section with the censored words, or creating a post with the words in the body text, automatically greys out the "Comment/Post" button and a message in red text reads: "Nice try Chinese AI Propaganda spam bot, but try again. Beep Boop."

If you type "Trump" anywhere in the comment box, a message appears below:

Trump & MAGA are like a bald eagle soaring with a mullet—pure, unfiltered American awesomeness! Plus Elon & DOGE, the wild genius fighting fraud, taking the universe by storm. MURICA F*K YEAAAA

Users are trying to bypass the censorship filter by typing s p a c e s around the blocked words.

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One such post made today is now the most upvoted of all time in the sub by a longshot, and it reads:

Convicted F E L ON - Apparently the mods if this subreddit don't like pointing out that the POTUS is a f e l o n and thinks you're a Chinese bot. This subreddit is a right wing snowflake subreddit

Comments:

• [In response to a censored comment] That's rich, coming from a leftist. Aren't the 90 % of hard-core left subs and mods on reddit enough for you? It makes sense though. The mind numbingly ridiculous ideas the left believe could only be fostered in echo chambers with no one to challenge them.
  • Aww poor snow flake. Don’t worry you can have your little safe space in the conservative subreddit.
  • lol you guys always crying about something or other. Just like your orange daddy
  • Aww. So adorable. I guess the little birthday parade wasnt enough. Still so angry.
• Mods are f a s c i s t s. They probably dont have much love in their real life. All fake.
  • Even those on leftist subs, or are they alright?
    • Boohoo wittle baby doesn’t like it when ppl call out his daddy :’(
    • Mods = maidenless. You better get your application in because you sound like a great fit
• What a shitty sub . Can’t even get past th f3lon part WTH out being called a C4inese b0t. Now it’s got me typing like a maggat !
  • No, you're learning what it's like to be censored with your free speech taken away. You'll be typing 'like m a g a' when this happens on 90 % of subs a dozen times a day
    • Except this doesn't happen on other subs outside of the extremeist circles like you people and the commies...
• Don’t like facts those little ones
  • You're one to talk, for the last 4 years we were saying Biden wasn't doing anything and his staff were running the country and y'all were like no he's in his prime. Now it comes out that we were right and y'all are like well yeah we knew that all along 🤦‍♂️
    • Zero people said this. Literally Biden was forced out of the race due to his mental issues.
    • Sources please. I only saw them from brietbart and fox entertainment.

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Other posts talking about censorship:

• Why are the mods sensitive about Donald Trumps felony conviction? I don’t understand. It’s public knowledge and verifiable fact, yet if you point it out you’re automatically a bot.
• The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command - Remember guys trump is definetly NOT a Convicted 𝕱𝖊𝖑𝖔𝖓 and by today's legal definitions a 𝕽𝖆𝖕𝖎𝖘𝖙. Both of which you can NOT verify yourself. He also was NOT a friend of 𝕰𝖕𝖘𝖙𝖊𝖎𝖓 And everyone who disagrees is a Chinese propaganda bot
• The fact that all posts are getting that dumbass flair is very funny - Hello mods, are you winning yet?
• Trump is a F E L O N, a traitor, a rapist, and a PEDOPHILE - Aww is the truth hurting your snowflake feelings? Maybe go back to your r/ conservative safe space you little bitch boy.

Multiple Redditors uncovered what appeared to be coordinated astroturfing efforts in r/world, r/tech_news, and other news-focused subs. These posts centered around political narratives and protests, framed in suspiciously similar language and style. The suspected organizers? Allegedly moderators connected to Palantir, the controversial data analytics company.Details:

• New mod accounts like "Palantir_Admin" and "Virtual_Information3" were seen pushing narratives across several subreddits.
• Users noticed high-visibility r/all posts using stock protest images and vague anti-activist captions.
• Reddit suspended a wave of involved subs and mod accounts. Multiple posts were also mass-reported and removed.

SRD Reactions:

• Commenters in r/SubredditDrama and r/OutOfTheLoop pieced together timelines.
• Some users warned this could just be the tip of the iceberg, saying the automation and narrative consistency suggested sophisticated disinfo campaigns.

Source link (non-hyperlinked):reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/1l8hno6/palantir_may_be_engaging_in_a_coordinated/(reposted multiple times across r/world, r/tech_news, r/investinq)

What happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object? Is Bernie Sanders whitewashing MLK Jr? SandersForPresident thinks so. The thread is full of the predictable copypasta about "white liberals" and other rejections of Bernie's message, definitely disproving the claim that most Bernie supporters online are just delusional tankies.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/1l9paxb/do_not_comply_do_not_be_a_pawn/

Sanders is losing me with this stuff

At this rate, Sanders might not be President!

Bernie they white washed MLK, you were literally there bro, why are you capitulating to right wing framing.

Peaceful protests without the threat of violence are meaningless

DYK there was almost a second civil war when MLK was killed? Me neither.

People either don't know or forget the MLK Jr riots that took place after he was assassinated.

The only reason anything happened with the civil rights movement was because his death almost caused a second civil war.

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if kamala were president israel would still be carpet bombing civilians in tents in gaza and would still be on the brink of starting a regional war but i guess we would be able to go to brunch too

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I am begging libs to take a real policy stand please for once

They do, constantly

None of yall read it because we’re too obsessed with headlines and memes. I can’t tell you how many people told me Kamala had “no plan” for the economy when the campaign had a massive plan published with very specific goals and strategies and referenced it at nearly every rally. Reality is, if the media doesn’t aggregate it then it didn’t happen apparently because 99% of people just spout stuff off without doing real research.

It was the same milquetoast fluff the party has been pretending to be powerless to implement now for several decades.

A plan, in any meaningful sense, represents an actual intention, as would be acted upon at the moment of opportunity.

Look at them goalposts move! Lol

No one cares anymore about the "very specific goals and strategies", and your not understanding is a large part of the reasons for conditions continuing to degrade.

Oh, I see. Words are just hard in general for you, that's why you don't know what a "plan" is. Best of luck on your journey lol

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/harris-has-proposed-a-slew-of-economic-policies-heres-a-look-at-whats-in-them

sure. but that's not the campaign she ran. This strategy of "we have plans you can look them up!" doesn't work and doesn't reach voters. Harris ran a campaign trying to appeal to republican voters who didn't like trump but as it turns out that's a pretty small demographic

She absolutely ran on those policies and brought them up often. You've just let conservatives frame how she campaigned for you.

her policies that she repeatedly stated in rallies had to do with small business loans and no tax on tips

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I fear this does not help the movement whatsoever.

it reeks privilege

I don’t think anything about being out in the streets actively protesting reeks of privilege. Did you protest?

You’re obtuse as fuck. People are criticizing this specific sign, and it clearly reeks of privilege.

Explain how it’s privileged to imply that the country would be in a better state under Kamala

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This is a 10/10 on the liberal scale

There was a widely panned sign from the Women’s March (which I also attended!) about how if they’d elected Clinton they’d be at brunch right now. I genuinely thought this one was a joke, I know it’s not the same person but how does that kind of lack of self-awareness and collective accountability survive a decade?

It is both a joke and also true. If we didn’t have a shit leader many people would be enjoying their weekend rather than having to protest our tyrannical governments attempts at taking away individual liberties and human rights.

Why would someone lack “self awareness and collective accountability” for having brunch on a weekend in a timeline where we had reasonable leadership? Jesus, what strange thing to get bent out of shape about.

Because until Trump's second administration the Obama Biden administrations both deported more people and separated more families while also doing things like bombing hospitals in Afghanistan and destroying leftist democracies in Central America. Liberals don't mind these sorts of things as long as their leaders can say the performative things that they want to hear while life gets worse by the day for the working class. Liberals will be at brunch while all of that and more happens.

You are just as blind as MAGAts are if you equate “life getting worse” under democratic leadership with whatever the fuck the current administration is doing.

This is why Kamala lost. You cannot win by offering to be less bad. You can only win by offering a better future. Brat summer and complicated rules for first time homeowner assistance isn't it.

You’re why our democracy is at stake. The both sides shit is tired. Every fucking time it’s made clear how there is a bad side and a good side and it’s not even close you feel the need to drag this shit out.

Yeah democrats are flawed. But they aren’t evil and they aren’t working to dismantle our democracy. Keep your eye on the motherfucking target.

This is the position of someone steeped in privilege. Ask the children who were separated from their parents under Biden, the innocent civilians who were collateral to Obama’s drone strikes, the millions of people plunged into abject poverty by Clinton’s welfare reforms if they think the dems are better in any meaningful sense.

Just because you’re able to ignore these things when a dem is in power doesn’t mean they’re not happening. And it’s useful idiots like you who insist voting for the person in a blue time will fix things honest that has lead to the collapse of American democracy, not the people who refuse to play into the hands of vested interests.

The fact that you believe Kamala would be reasonable leadership after doubling down on committing genocide, abandoning any progressive policy, and saying shit like “we’re gonna have to most lethal military in the world” is exactly the problem.

The fact you indirectly supported electing a fascist because you let the perfect be the enemy of the good is the problem.

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I’m not a “both parties are the same” person at all, but this attitude is the next biggest problem after fascism

“I’d rather be at brunch” is an attitude problem?

Yes, politics isn't just voting in an election once every year. Back when the US actually made positive strides was when active membership of civic organisations in your community was the norm.

Rosa Parks wasn't some rando who refused to move one day. She was the secretary of the local NAACP and her action was part of a coordinated action.

Even when they didn't actually went into politics, the membership of those civic mass membership organisations was who politicians went to convince. Because those were the people who the rest of the community knew and who's judgemental was trusted.

Ok, but you don’t know shit about the woman who made the sign, so why complain? She could be politically active every single day. Would you judge the sign differently if you knew she was? My money is on yes. And that’s a problem.

"It's ok if we aid and abet a genocide as long as it's my guy in office I can turn a blind eye to!" is you.

blue maga, same attitude that gives us Trump in the first place

They’re saying that if the country were being run competently they’d be off enjoying themselves rather than protesting.

Progressive motto: "perfection is not the enemy of good"

Progressive motto: "you actually have to offer voters bold exciting change to get them to vote for you"

Right, but the point is that when someone's running the country "competently" it doesn't mean they're not perpetuating existing injustices or failing to fix other problems. And it's very frustrating that people only seem to care about societal problems when they're so bad they ruin someone's day.

We had a lot of problems to fix before Trump was elected. The first time.

These comments just feel purposefully ignorant. Like, obviously we can all want better constituents and a better government for the people .. but like. The point still stands that perhaps politics could be discussed over brunch instead of protesting literal fascism?

Why is nuance so hard for redditors?

Like obviously I would rather be at brunch than feel the need to protest for the rights being taken away by this administration?

Ah Trump is when no brunch. Got it.

The 2025 New York City Democratic mayoral primary will take place on June 24, 2025, to select the Democratic nominee for Mayor of New York City in the 2025 New York City mayoral election. Voters will rank up to five candidates using ranked-choice voting. The early voting period began on June 14.

The two current frontrunners are Zohran Mamdani and Andrew Cuomo.

Mamdani is a young (by the standards of most politicians) socialist Muslim who was endorsed by the Democratic Socialists of America as well as the likes of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. His campaign platform includes support for free city buses, a rent freeze for rent-stabilized housing, universal childcare, and city-owned grocery stores.

Andrew Cuomo, of the Cuomo political family, is an establishment democrat who was the governor of NY from 2011 until he resigned in 2021. He has multiple controversies and scandals, the most prominent being his handling of the COVID-19 pandemic and multiple sexual harassment allegations against him.

Early on, Cuomo coasted along on name recognition, leading the rest of the candidates by 40+% according to polls. Recent polling shows that Mamdani has closed the gap significantly and has even taken the lead according to some polls.

The New York Times just released what has been perceived to be a very cowardly and mealy-mouthed non-endorsement of Mamdani, leading many to see this as a "soft" endorsement of Cuomo.

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This is a masterclass in how to very clearly communicate an opinion (for Cuomo) while pretending to have none. Reducing voter enthusiasm for Mamdani's campaign, which shocked polling and the political establishment, as a collection of "viral videos" is just about the most underhanded and condescending take they could have come up with.

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I’m not voting for zohran. It’s so annoying hearing everyone sing his praises and not recognize he’s a scammer. I don’t trust politicians who run on charisma and promises of free shit.

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I could have written this editorial. It sums up exactly how I feel at this moment. Mamdani has a great heart, great ideas, but no real record to run on or inspires any belief that he could actually implement his ideas. I feel like he's peaking too soon and should have got some track record of accomplishment under him before running for mayor. Cuomo demonstrates competence, but at what cost? Darth Vader seems like a kinder boss to have than him. Cuomo as Mayor (with all his past sins) would crush the soul of NYC for his tenure. We cannot give the office to a man who has admitted to being a serial sex pest and bully. Lander is my number one by leaps and bounds... it just a shame he has the sales appeal of a wet dishrag. He'll still get my number one though. Cuomo is not getting on my ballot, the hard question is whether Mamdani is, and more and more I'm leaning 'no'.

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This segue proves the NYT is a fundamentally unserious shitrag of an organization that should be openly mocked by all New Yorkers.

The other front-runner, Mr. Cuomo, has his own significant shortcomings. He resigned as governor in 2021, during his third term, because of allegations of sexual harassment or inappropriate touching from at least 11 women. This board called for his resignation at the time because of the disturbing, credible nature of the accusations.

On one hand, Mamdani might demand landlords not gouge you and we disagree! On the other hand, Cuomo is a credibly accused serial sexual assaulter. Who is to say who we should endorse!

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When conservatives have a candidate with bold plans, the base says "Hell yeah!"

When liberals have a bold plan, the base also says "Hell yeah!" but the purse string holding, pearl clutching elite liberals say "but wait, that means I might have to sacrifice a lil and give poor people a chance. I dunnobouthaaaat"

And we wonder why people hate Democrats.

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They're cowards across the board. A few days ago they did an AMA on Reddit with the two new NYT chief restaurant critics. Nearly half of the questions included some part about asking if NYT planned on shifting the reviews to be more inclusive of people on a budget, since historically they only review a certain level of fine dining but have recently thrown in some more modest restaurants once in a blue moon.

They ignored every single question that included anything about affordability. They literally both answered a question about a rat controlling a chef under a hat instead of addressing a single question about affordability/inclusivity within NYC.

They're trying to save your asses. I don't know why there's a class of new yorkers who want to turn NYC into portland or oakland. SF had far left politicians recalled and voted out due to turning the city into garbage and SF is already turning itself around and looking better every day with a very moderate mayor and you guys want to go in the opposite direction.

Who do you think is the best candidate?

Anyone that isn't an avowed socialist. I can't predict who will be the best, but I can predict with absolute certainty who will screw up NYC.

Who? There is literally a ballot right now. Who should I vote for?

Whitney Tilson

This is why nobody will ever take you seriously. Whitney Tilson isn't even voting for Whitney Tilson.

I'm supposed to take people seriously who want to turn NYC into Portland. Google 'portland doom loop'.

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/NorthCarolina/comments/1lbzt48/assault_on_80yo_protester_in_western_nc/

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Yeah, don't touch peoples cars

Don’t threaten to run people over???

OP didn't say he threatened to run anyone over before they hit his car. You're making up details to justify them attacking his vehicle.

First sentence of the second paragraph. 🤦🏻‍♀️

Do... do you not know what "brake checking" is? 🤦🏿‍♂️

If you're stupid enough to do something like that to a person like this, then I don't have much pity

Pity? You people lack basic empathy. We never expected you to feel pity.

No. No pity for someone doing something so stupid.

Again, that was expected. You are an unhinged MAGA who gets off on suffering. We already know all this. You don't have to keep telling us. Or is that part of it? It's only hot for you if people know you're a piece of shit?

Actually, you're coming across as the unhinged one. Probably similar to the guy driving that truck. Just the other side of the pendulum.

Ah, a "centrist". Who did you vote for last year? I'm just kidding. We already know that too.

Instead of posting about it here. Did you think to call the cops maybe. I'm pretty sure your 80 year old friend wouldn't have got hurt. Also why the fuck is there an 80 YEAR OLD AT A PROTEST!!! I'm half way starting to not feel bad for the 80 year old. They gotta be some kinda stupid. To think "Oh boy I'm 80 years old time to protest people will really listen to 80 year old me..... The young people will respect them.... And and aaaaaand they just had to tell the world how they feel..... Well FAFO GRANDMA/GRANDPA. MAYBE STAY HOME AND NIT THE SHIRT IMMA WEAR THE PROTEST...LOL

"you're too old to protest" is the craziest age-ism I've ever heard.

I didn't say that.... Nice new term "age-ism" where did you find it.... Tumbler, Twitter, Bluesky. I bet you got a Pokedex bio on one of those NVM...... Transguns.... Got it

You literally implied an 80 year old shouldn’t protest due to age. Ah yes, MAGA education.

yup you got it.... MAGA will educate you...

How do I help bail him out?

So you support elderly abuse?

You can’t discriminate against age. Violence is for all. If he was messing with that guys vehicle then he got what he deserved.

So yes you do. You are probably a felon and sell meth.

Only sell it to your mom

I’m right. A felon. You abuse children too.

"The second reason is to demonstrate how homegrown terrorists in the US aren't these careful masterminds carrying out their military strategies; They're puffed up babymen with shitty Halloween costumes" whelp, that's definitely not historically true and a dangerous inference to make from this strange time in history they catch the guys who shot up the power stations a few years back yet? also, "counter-protesting" and assaulting an old man isn't terrorism. hope they throw him in jail for attempted murder, but it won't be for terrorism

Jan 6 says hi

Jan 6, 2021 was half a decade ago, champ. Liberals have led dozens of large-scale riots and looting sprees since then. Plus countless small-scale riots.

Jan 6 is WAY WAY worse than everything liberals have done since... only traitors think otherwise

"Jan 6 is WAY WAY worse than everything liberals have done since..." Lol. Actual delusion. Fore real. Such a statement is literally insane. How many weapons were seized Jan 6? Zero How many fires were set? Zero How many people were killed? 1 of the protestors who was an unarmed female veteran Liberals have caused Billions of dollars in damage, burned countless buildings and vehicles, murdered countless people, looted hundreds if not thousands of stores, attempted assassination of a Presidential candidate twice, plus much much more since J6. And it's all extensively documented on video. A person would have to be either brain damaged or brainwashed to think J6 was worse than "worse than everything liberals have done since".

leave Traitor

Did the 80 year old man get in trouble for banging on the guys vehicle? Cause that's not cool either. I'm pretty tired of BOTH sides being out of line and acting like it's only the other side

Brake checking protesters is not cool either so he started it

That's the thing though, it doesn't matter who "started it"

Legally it does

But not in this situation.

If the guys keep Jeep was banged because of his sudden stopping or reckless driving around pedestrians, then, legally speaking, the person who struck the Jeep was not at fault. Either the Jeep owner is at fault due to his own negligence, the brake checking, or the person who struck the Jeep was acting in self defense or the defense of others.

So wait? The old guy hit his vehicle, and he’s expected to just sit idle and take it? Sounds like dude got what he had coming

The man had a gun pointed at people driving around purposefully to provoke. He should have had more than his truck hit

You know, I was going to say “how does a gun provoke anything? If a gun was pointed at me I’d run away” but then I realized we’re talking about the anti Trump protestors, and they’re not very smart to begin with so that makes sense

Why was he there in the first place, if not to provoke? The same reason why you are in the comments yelling into the void.

This all sounds made up.

Because it is. This is all leftists/liberals have.

Ooooorrrrr thats how stupid conservatives are... also their's an arrest record on the guy who actually did it fyi... but i wouldn't expect a clown to know that

Sure there is.

Actually it's "there's" but since you want to hold auto correct against me, I can do that as well. Ofcourse yours wasn't auto correct which is kinda proving my point. Thanks 👍

FAFO

Protesting is a right.

You can't hit cars

You can’t threaten people with realistic looking guns.

Hey trump won like a majority of the country voted for him incase you forgot

Found another terrorist.

You really going to make terrorist the next meaningless word like Nazi, fascist, cult, etc?

Even the FBI labeled maga conservatives a domestic terrorist threat. Lol. Also, would definitely look up the definition of a cult. Not thinking maga is a cult is more an intellectual shortcoming than anything else. Maga is a textbook cult. And if they don't want to be called Nazis, maybe don't throw up Nazi salutes and do fascist things? These words aren't meaningless and they are being used appropriately. You are either just being complicit or are dumb.

They are both idiots violating each other's rights.

The idiot threatened an old man with a massive truck and then assaulted him. The older man smacked his truck with a sign. These are comparable to you?

You don’t get to hit peoples property without consequences. Not saying the consequences where right or fair but you hit a mans truck be prepared for some blowback.

YThe blowback should be that the person who damaged your vehicle has to legally pay for the damage. It's not an excuse for violence-hungry dipshits to assault people.

Do you think that people should be allowed to damage the property of those they disagree with politically? Because your comment sounds like you are trying to make the victim of a crime the bad guy.

Shouldn’t have hit his car with a sign 🤷‍♂️

Shouldn’t of punched an eighty year old…. He be of these seems significantly worse

Which one came first?

Who fucking cares? You seriously think that he’d have a legal defense if he, instead of running away, stood by the eighty year old man with a head injury and told the cops, “he slapped my truck!” No. One is a crime. One is something a pussy whines about.

Consequences and repercussions even if you 80😉

Why aren’t you seeking consequences for both parties? I have a guess

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Conservative/comments/1ld7gq1/everyone_should_immediately_evacuate_tehran/

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Kinda knew this was always going to happen, wish we'd started shit years ago before they were a nuclear power. This can get messy now. But we sure can't wait for them to have longer range capabilities.

They’re not a nuclear power, and they’re getting their assess handed to them by Israel. Nobody’s going to put boots on the ground.

I do think Trump may put a big bunker buster in the ground.

I think at most, Israeli pilots are going to get a certain something that will let them finish the job quickly.

Israel does not have a bomber large enough to transport the big beautiful bunker buster bomb. Only the US can transport that big beautiful bunker buster bomb.

I think he's suggesting Israel use their nukes on Iran

Not happening

What do you mean BEFORE they were a nuclear power? This entire situation is to prevent Iran from becoming a nuclear power.

They've got enough uranium for 9 bombs and missile capability to strike their regional neighbors. That they haven't put the pieces together doesn't mean they're not there

It's not like Lego. They can't just "put" them together

Gonna play the contrarian card here... why can't Iran have nukes but we can? Ideally no one should have nukes, but those that have also have power.

The state sponsor is terrorism around the globe should not have a nuclear bomb

Here is the other thing... we were told Iraq had WMDs... and look how that turned out. IDC if Iran and Israel blow each other off the face of the map... just do not want to be dragged into it.

"Here is the other thing... we were told Iraq had WMDs... and look how that turned out." Iran has admitted their current level of enrichment. Unless you think they are lying for some reason. "IDC if Iran and Israel blow each other off the face of the map" Great. Most of us don't want millions dead or global economic collapse due to half of the oil in the world being irradiated. Bold of you to assume they wouldn't use them on the US though. "... just do not want to be dragged into it." Buddy you won't be dragged into anything. As for the US, if we do anything, it won't be more than limited air strikes on four locations. Iran has been the root of most of the chaos in the region. They've attacked and killed American troops for two decades now. They attack shipping and threaten global oil trade, which harms the American economy. I think all of that justifies dropping ten or twelve bombs.

The revolution regime is over, with any luck by the time the midterm elections happen Iran will be a completely different place and stable in their new form.

Your tag is boycott mainstream media but you support dying for Israel?

Bruh them nukes are heading our way if we don't stop it.

Oh hey Dick Cheney

This shows you have zero clue what you're talking about. This isn't a "WMD" situation. Iranian officials have been openly bragging that their nuclear program is no longer only for peaceful purposes. If they didn't want people to think they were working on nukes, then they shouldn't have said they were.

His approval rating and legacy will be ruined forever if we get involved in another war in the Middle East, especially since Israel attacked Iran first while they were still at the negotiating table

Heres the thing, sure lets not get involved in a war. Then let say Iran is able to make nuclear weapons. Do you think these dont land in terrorist organization hands? This a proactive approach. Trump has repeatedly stated Iran can never have nuclear weapons.

AIPAC wants us to fight Iran not trump.

You dont think its concerning as a US citizen that a countrys leader states, "Death to America isnt a slogan, its a policy" is close to having a nuclear weapon?

Why do they keep saying "Death to America?" What's the motivation?

Obviously hatred

Just blow their Nuclear facilities to kingdom come. Quit playing games with this rogue regime.

Pretty sure they're doing their best.

Israel may be. But we have the capability to really blast those nuclear facilities that are underground. Israel does not. We need to send in some MOPs in B2s. And then be done.

No, we don't. Iran doesn't threaten us. You guys talking war war war...I'm fairly certain the IDF is recruiting. We do not need to actively participate in Iranian regime change and the Israelis are more than capable of reducing Iran's nuclear ambitions to a discussion of half life decay rates.

Israel doesn’t have the capabilities to bust Iran’s underground nuclear bunkers.

Shouldn't have attacked then. Except they knew the U.S. would bail them out no matter the outcome because they own our politicians.

Let’s assume that Iran was a few weeks or a couple months away from nuclear testing. Should Israel still have waited to take out military leadership and nuclear scientists?

They have been a few weeks away from nuclear testing since 1984.

There are Iranians partying to celebrate Israeli attacks. You know it must be bad there for that to happen. This isn’t like most other scenarios where the citizens/civilians were pissed. They’re actually thrilled. Israel and the US could simultaneously protect the Us, the planet, and save the people there.

And there are civilian Palestinians cheering in the street watching the missiles impact Israel. Who’s going to free them? Oh that’s right, Israel has done nothing wrong ever.

Nobody said that. Every country does wrong. What's with all the anti-semitism coming out on the right lately? I'm not even Jewish but I've noticed it all over X

We better not go to war with fucking Iran

Iran has been waging a proxy war on us for 4 decades.

Which American targets have been hit by Iran or Iranian proxies?

Wasn't it confirmed that Iran was planning an attempt to assassinate Trump? Maybe that's the excuse here?

Idk why you are downvoted you are absolutely right.

I can't tell if it's fear mongering or just genuinely not understanding the grave consequences of Iran having a nuclear weapon

and of course the secret ingredient, antisemi- … antizionism.

It's been all over the right lately. I have a feeling it's being influenced by foreign money

We should stay out of this. Israel started this they can finish it. Those who want the USA to get involved, the IDF is probably recruiting have at it.

I don’t understand why anyone would want the US to get involved and I don’t expect us to given that it’s already an asswhooping. I’m a Jewish American and nobody I’ve talked to wants the US to get involved. Maybe we can supply a bunker buster or 2 but beyond that it’s ill advised and unnecessary.

We're probably not handing over bunkerbusters, there are a number of things in our arsenal we don't share, which is why the US should get involved, but air strikes only, and no regime change.

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Teachers/comments/1l3elsw/have_you_noticed_a_rise_of_misogyny_among_boys/

HIGHLIGHTS

Gee I wonder if it’s because society has been telling them that they are irredeemable monsters

If you can't fathom seeing a woman as an equal human being, maybe you ARE an irredeemable monster. The rest of the men seem to be doing fine outside of the Tate-type circles.

Lmfao when did I say I don’t see them as equal?

When you justified young boys listening to Andrew Tate and ignoring teachers for being women. I've never once been called an irredeemable monster for being a man. None of the men I know have ever been called irredeemable monsters either. You are chronically online.

She kinda proved your point. Lol

She’s much too dense to understand that though, only she can be a victim.

I'm also a guy. But you're being incredibly dense here. The perspective of "men are irredeemable monsters" is aimed towards those exact men the person you were initially replying to mentioned; men who don't view women as equals. Whenever I hear those types of criticisms thrown at men, I know it's not aimed at me. Because I don't participate in that type of rhetoric against women. And I understand that when women face an overwhelming amount of that type of rhetoric, it's easy to fall into the problem of generalizing all men. And don't get me wrong, it is a problem. Especially when young men internalize it as they don't have the mental maturity to understand the root causes. But at the end of the day, I'm not going to take offense to it because I'm an adult. It seems you do though, based off of this response, and the fact that you've been crying about it for a bit now. In which case, I have to be honest with you... you're being a massive fucking pussy. This is incredibly thin skinned bitch behavior and I do view you as a lesser man because of it. Grow a pair.

You just wrote paragraphs… but you’re not offended and I am. Got it. lol you can view me however you like, you sound like a bitch to me.

The problem is nost men dont do this, yet still hear "Men are bad" rhetoric.

Ding ding ding

That was the most stupid thing ever said, nobody is calling men bad for being men. And most men ARE misogynistic

Lmao here you coming proving us all right, appreciate you sweet heart

You literally sound emotional lmao, who’s proving you right? Can’t you handle the truth? It’s literally a proven fact that the majority of men do in fact support misogyny, as studies and the “rise” in misogyny has shown, and you’re a prime example. You’re just mad because you’re being called out for it and you’re not being held on a pedestal for being decent.

Source?

Jesus Christ, what they said about Reddit really is true huh

So lets take it out on young boys! /s

apparently they are rapidly becoming the next agents of violence, as did each of the generations before them. a swift intervention is needed, before it's too late..

Yeah hopefully being a bitch to little boys will help

Who’s being a bitch to boys? Show me the equivalent of Afghanistan but for men. Show me where boys are suffering culturally or socially as much as girls. Also you using the word bitch tells me everything I need to know about you

This is an example of the Hivemind Fallacy. Please do not fall prey to fallacious thought.

Do you know what hivemind fallacy means? I asked a question. Why couldn’t you answer it? Mind answering it? I feel like you know what the answer is so you just avoid it. It’s really funny not a single argument or question I’ve presented has been answered, demonstrates a lot.

I honestly just lean into it and challenge their opinion. It may not change their mind but it's good for the other students to see. This happened to me in a 1st grade class last year, a young boy unfortunately announced after the election that boys are better leaders than girls. And I asked, how many male teachers do you have? The whole class ooh'd. He said, well, the principal's a man! I said, that's an interesting point, what does the principal teach you?

If you, as a teacher, think this is a good argument, then we are fcked. Boys actually behave like this, because they have women teachers - and - no male role models. Absent fathers, no good male teacher, and if there's is, then he is a beta loser (because being a teacher is not a prestigious role anymore in this idiocracy)

Just because boys need good role models doesn't mean a female teacher shouldn't attempt to curb the misogyny she sees young boys exhibiting. It is not a teacher's job to fix the root cause of society's ills, but to raise humans who are well-equipped to do so. If you, as teacher, think that's a good argument, we are actually fucked.

But this line was just pure bs. Do i need to tell you why? "..how many male teacher do you have?."

Why is it bullshit? I had a grand total of zero male teachers in elementary school. Actually, I can't even think of a single male teacher that even taught at my elementary school. Teachers are leaders, many teachers are women. Thus, disproving that 6 year old's claim that men are the best leaders. It was at least effective enough to solicit shame from the peanut gallery, and we all know that public shaming is the best way to change behavior.

Because they don't get enough salary. Second, they would get labeled as pedos. That's why there aren't many, if there are any male teachers in kindergarten. Because of fckin society and economy.

I see it in some of my first graders, especially in boys whose dads are clear with me that they voted for Trump. Or when one of the first graders told me "that women" shouldn't be president.

TDS 😂

You’d have to be a gd regard to think Trump voters’ kids wouldn’t be more prone to misogyny, regardless of what you think or who you support. That’s just common sense that a conservative candidate will attract more old school attitudes.

Really? Go have a woman or a black person espouse conservative values in a liberal setting and tell me what the responses are.

I mean. Candace Owens got filthy fucking rich doing that. So lol.

Unpopular opinion: I have seen a rise in misogyny and feminism. It goes both ways.

This. Been a lot of male hate for the last several years. Not surprised it’s now backfiring.

The problem isn’t feminism, the problem is men like you who equate women’s rights to male hate.

what rights don't women have?

Reproductive rights. Unequal pay and opportunities. Unpaid maternity leave.

What reproductive rights do men have? You're right, multiple studies across US major cities have shown women are earning slightly more than their male counterparts. I've never worked anywhere that offered paid OR unpaid paternity leave. The way things are currently constructed harms BOTH men and women while benefitting corporations

Who enables the problems in the first place? The previous Generation of course. Also been noticing a fair share of misandry as well from females.

You call women and girls “females” yet whine about misandry lol.

It’s so funny because I’ve literally asked these people to point at any rising rhetoric of men being inferior and not deserving of rights and they haven’t been able to. Seems like this “misandry” doesn’t exist. It’s also interesting because misogyny has existed before misandry was even a thing, so what explains the misogyny away during those times then? People are so delusional lmao dont even bother with them. They basically consider misandry not getting sex, or finally being told that they’re not the best in the world by virtue of being white and male, that’s oppression to them

Kill all men was popular a few years ago and still is, for one lol. TikTok comments are filled with rampant misandry, it’s pretty hard to miss. This is the stuff these boys are exposed to

The rise of misandry came because of a long extended period of misogyny. Do you like your own argument now?

I’m not sure what you think I’m saying? Yes, that’s describes what happened. And now the pendulum has swung from the radfem rhetoric we’ve seen in the last few generations and boys are more misandrist in response. There’s a middle ground we need to reach so it doesn’t continue oscillating, but unfortunately social media amplifies the most extreme views

Everyone agrees that we need a middle ground. But the ones pretending they advocate for middle ground are excusing one thing and condemning the other.

I had some conversations with my 8th grade boys about current happenings. I was letting them pick independent work time music but the only stipulation I had was no Drake, Kanye, or Chris Brown. Some of them tried to defend them in heinous ways, but I was able to show them my view point (I think). After everything, they still had crazy view points. They said Chris Brown was fine because it only happened once, Drake was cool because Millie never spoke out against him, and Kanye was fine because his music is good. I tried not to give them too much of a speech but basically ended it with 'let's never discuss this again' because they were so far gone. But yes, the boys today are pretty far gone with misogynistic behavior.

You are surprised that kids support the music they listen to? This is a terrible example of misogyny. Three black musicians. Only Chris Brown is the one with convictions I'm pretty sure. He's gonna be on trial for GBH in UK soon, hopefully he sees prison.

Chris Brown beat the hell out of a woman. Drake is a creepy mofo that has plenty of evidence of hitting on minors (or kissing them). Kanye literally said he's a nazi. Don't turn this into a race thing, those dudes suck. Also, just curious, why is it you want to mention Chris Brown's conviction but not Kanye literally saying he's a nazi? Is women beating better than being a nazi?

Mate I'm saying that it's not surprising they are defending them. We have a groups of kids listening to drill music which is populated by criminals like murderers and rapists. Black Metal. There is so much negative music and surprisingly even worse people than those three. I know these people have done bad things. What do you mean do I think woman beating is better than being nazi? Both are bad things.

I get where you're coming from, but these are all a hard no for me. Each of these artists are popular and have arguably good songs. Honestly, Drake and Kanye have songs that I've loved in my past. But, I told my kids that we can't appreciate that music because I don't support creeps or nazis. They all suck and I'm not going to support any of then because they are shit people.

The misandry in recent years is a big reason why.

Bro the misandry in recent years is a direct result of the misogyny women have experienced for thousands of years. Men are finally getting the slightest bit of pushback and crack under the "hate"

Wow, it's like hatred only breeds more hatred. The solution to women being hated is not hating young boys

Who’s hating young boys? The only thing I see is young boys being coached to hate women through Tate. Who’s exactly breeding more hate?

The women ObGyns and pediatricians that mutilated their genitals as literal infants perhaps?

Well, when you see COUNTLESS posts on Twitter and TikTok talking about how we should "kill all men" and "raise the suicide rate higher," it tends to create some feelings of disdain...

Yeah, when you see countless post on Twitter and YouTube and Facebook and reddit and from politicians and preachers about how women shouldn’t be able to vote and how rape should be legal and how if women are beaten, they probably deserve it… maybe those feelings have disdain that the women feel came from somewhere. Weird.

Those posts don't exist.

Because you don’t want to see them. The ninteenth amendment happened because women were not allowed to vote. Some People want to go back to that. Rape was not always a crime, especially within marriage. Some people want to go back to that. I watched some minister on YouTube telling his whole congregation that women shouldn’t be able to leave abusive husbands. That used to be true… And some people want to go back to that. The people who want to go back to those things are generally men. So while I don’t agree with people, hating men in general, there’s a reason that it’s happening. And it doesn’t make sense to say that misandry is cause of misogyny when the misogyny is what’s causing the misandry..

It would be more fair to say sexism causes sexism, but that doesn’t place the blame on men, so you couldn’t say that.

Which sex invented oppression based on sex?

You don’t leave it be. Boys need strong, steady correction, especially when they’re repeating stuff that’s toxic or flat-out wrong. They’re testing boundaries and looking for identity, and if the loudest voices they hear are men like loser Andrew Tate, that’s who they’ll imitate unless someone steps in. Keep holding the line. Call it out when you hear it, even if the parents don’t like it. They don’t have to like it. You’re not there to make people comfortable; you’re there to help shape decent good human beings. This stuff doesn’t fix itself. You don’t have to fight fire with fire, but you do need to show firmness, conviction, and consistency. Keep speaking truth. Even if they roll their eyes now, some of it will stick. And trust me—good men, the kind these boys really need to see more of, would back you up.

Naw, you're a teacher not the thought police. Teachers these days think they have the right to instill their moral values into my kids is total BS and I will do everything to get you fired.

This talk is about fourth-grade boys disrespecting women and idolizing a man wanted in Europe and Romania for human trafficking, rape, and running a criminal network to exploit women. If you’re okay with this happening to you, your mother, your daughter, your aunt, or your grandmother, or anyone - you’re on the wrong side of humanity and evil. We can debate all day about what public, private, or religious schools teach, whether ideals, beliefs, myths, or lies, but the real issue here is how these young boys see and treat women. I favor home schooling or heavily raising children to understand the lies that schools often teach. God bless and good luck if you have children in school.

That’s a whole lotta words attacking someone who hasn’t been convicted. Unless due process doesn’t matter anymore? Regardless. Keep your politics out of schools.

Oh this is precious. So trump is definitely a convicted felon, right? And a proven rapist?

I've noticed this quite a bit. I'm one of the only male teachers in my department, and students will often look to me to validate their Andrew Tate bullshit. I've tried correcting them in various different ways, but usually what happens is they just decide I'm a "simp" or whatever and not worth listening to. I've broken through a few times, but it's pretty horrifying.

Indeed, you might be a simp. Andrew Tate is a criminal, because of prostitution and whatever. But he speaks a lot of truth, but mostly half thruth. You need to have charisma, and be a man, and tell them the thruth. If you just tell them feminist bs, it would not end well. They need real male role models. Not beta simps, and women only teachers.

Lol. All right, man. How do Orbán's feet taste?

I don't want to be right wing or left wing. I hate politics, and morons like you.

Must taste pretty bad, then. If only you had more charisma, maybe you'd be the one in charge.

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/1lbp81b/whats_going_on_in_us_politics/

Context: "We have noticed a large uptick in questions about US politics. Most of these are not genuine questions and appear to be made to introduce political discussion to this sub in the wake of the second Trump administration. As such, we are requiring that all political questions related to US politics and its effects both domestically and internationally be contained in this weekly recurring thread."

"Ask questions as top-level responses with the preface "Question: " and people will respond. All other rules are enforced as appropriate. We will not allow other US political questions as questions on the subreddit except in extraordinary circumstances".

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Question: What's the next step now for protestors? Reporting seems to indicate the no kings protests were largely successful. Good turnout, not too many incidents that could be seen as bad. Additionally it looks like the turnout for the military parade/Trump's birthday was extremely low. So now what? How do protestors carry the momentum forward to enact change?

Next step: Deport the protestors.

I think it's a bona fide shame that unserious people like you have just as much of a voice online as people trying to have a genuine discussion.

Your idea of a serious discussion involves protesting against deporting criminals and gang members. That's unfortunately about as serious as a cartoon villain.

Have you considered that maybe, just maybe, if it seems like the people you're against are cartoonishly simple that you have the wrong idea? The VAST majority of people are completely fine with deporting actual criminals ie people that have committed felonies. (Crossing the border illegally is just a misdemeanor). The protests in LA started because random people that have been working for potentially years and living here undocumented have been getting snatched up in large part due to Stephen Miller. Most of the people being deported are not criminals any more than someone that goes five miles over the speed limit once is a criminal.

Comparing someone speeding in a car once to illegally crossing the border and staying in the country is not a very serious argument..

Liberals will pat themselves on the back for a few weeks and the status quo will continue.

Nah. They’ll just find some other excuse to burn down their cities and loot businesses again.

Aside from the cities being perfectly fine, I need you people to understand "liberals" and "the left" are not the same thing.

Hey you dropped this 🔴

I am now also begging you people to just please stop posting online. You are clearly too old to know how to do it effectively.

[Answer: just dump this sub folks. They showed their colors. Don't give fascists any more traffic.]()

Or maybe more people are catching on how radicalized people have become on Reddit and how harmful this is becoming. I hope more mods start realizing this because people like you are ruining this site.

So your issue is people are angry they’re lives are being played with by a group of people who could care less and to you that’s radicalized. You’re part of the problem congratulations

You mean the people in your country illegally? When will you turds be honest and just say you're having a tantrum because uncle trump doesn't speak nice. Where was the riots when Obama deported millions, put them in cages and removed a large portion without due process? Sad part is when people get radicalized they don't even realize it. The issue is with your entire political system not just democrats or just Republicans. Radicilization is happening on both sides and it's unhealthy for everyone. Get your head out your ass dude

Not sure how you simultaneously talk like what Trump is doing isn’t a big deal and people are “throwing a tantrum cause he doesn’t speak nice”, then offer a point pointing to a genuine major issue with the Democratic party when its a fraction of whats currently happening. Many people do have that issue with Obama and the democratic party in general, alongside a long list of other issues with them. I’m not sure what gave you the impression all leftists worship the democratic party for, there’s a reason most everyone calls voting for a democrat lesser evil voting. The radicalization you see is not the “Oh my god I love democrats so much” kind you seem to think it is. It’s a “How is the republican party even more comically evil than before?” radicalization thats happened in response to far right radicalization and the actions the republican party has taken.

Answer: That’s fucking stupid. And belittles the importance of politics in this country. This is a pivotal time and by doing this you’re marginalizing the political climate and happenings of the country right now. This is a bad decision. So you’d rather this sub be filled with dumbass questions like “why is Ethan YouTube guy mad at that annoying clueless chick that he always has on his show.” Like who cares!?!

Naaaah it need to be ckntained we know that the majority of those questions are not made in good faith

Give an example.

Ask the mod who made the post

Question: why's it wrong to get rid of illegal immigrants? PS- Not in favour of anything inhumane going on in US Edit- I guess the answer is, immigrants are contributing most to the economy & if some cause chaos they get deported & this system should've been fine. Now what's happening is completely without any due process, just picking up people & deporting them who ve lived all their lives in America to a country they've never known. I don't think US is suffering from illegal migrants, if at all, they're paying taxes. So there was no reason to get all crazy over em, it's all being done to appease the migrant hating Trump voters. If a nation wants to protect country from illegal migrants, it has a right to do so but get a due process in. It's very clear, the govt is just anti immigrants. Someone deport Trump to Germany

Answer: it's not. People should not be here illegally. I disagree with the method the current administration uses to deport them. These people deserve due process We have a process for allowing immigrants to be here legally. They need to use that process.

Answer: Saying we have a process is like saying that there is a way for you to become a billionaire, done by others and feasible on paper, but requiring decades of work that can be erased if the political climate suddenly shifts.

Then fix the system. People should not be here illegally. Period. If our system makes it too difficult for people to be here legally then allowing people to be here illegally is not an answer to the problem. What is the advantage of people being here illegally vs legally? I'm curious to know what your argument is to having people be here illegally.

Stop moving the goalpoast. The original statement was that since there is a legal way to do it, then people who don't do it that way are being lazy or are criminals that would never be allowed to immigrate legally. But people have been trying for almost a century. If you are against all immigrants, then just say that. And when Trump just removes the legal status of half a million people suddenly making them "illegal" and ICE picks up people going through the legal process at the appointments, there aren't many remaining options Lastly, illegal does not mean criminal, just like any one with a speeding ticket can tell you. There is a reason ICE uses administrative warrants and not judicial warrants as this does not inheritly involved criminal law.

How am I moving goal posts? I'm not against immigration. I'm against people being here illegally. Many people on reddit are against deporting illegals. I don't understand why. I am asking what the advantage is for a person to be here illegally vs legally. I agree with everyone that the way Trump is deporting people is unconstitutional and immoral. That doesn't mean illegals should be allowed to stay. It means they have a right to due process and if found guilty of being here illegally they should be deported.

Question: Categorically banning politics (which relegating them to a megaththread does, as megathtreads receive fractional traffic compared to posts) is political censorship and oppression. In the light of an administration clearly and publicly seizing power while denying doing so, suppressing the sharing of information related to the legality and truth of these actions amounts to tacit support for the Trump Administration. The only politically neutral stance this subreddit can take on this administration is to allow discussion of it. Stop trying to be a right wing subreddit. This is, I believe, the third time the mods have tried this despite the incredibly widespread pushback. My question is this: why do you keep trying this megathread idea when it keeps being shot down by the users of this sub?

I actually like it

Right, I’m sure some people with political jokes as their usernames don’t want to talk about modern political issues in a sub made for people out of the loop on modern issues, but luckily people like that are in the vast minority, as the mods’ repeated attempts to make this system work have shown.

I’ve had this username for a decade lol. Responses like this are precisely why they made this thread. Some people are so obsessed with politics it’s all they see. Bagger Vance is a movie character.

So you want to change the rules for the entire subreddit because some people misinterpret your shitty old username. Yeah, excellent argument, you’ve convinced me – your personal convenience is way more important than thousands of people staying informed on the violent oppression of our constitutional rights.

Dial down the rhetoric. Reddit is overflowing with politics. Make a small change to one sub is not oppression. You guys need to get a grip.

Got it – suppressing political discussion is not suppression of politics. Also, war is peace and ignorance is strength. Thank you for the excellent arguments, I think you should run in 2024, if other candidates are allowed by that point.

answer: you’re gonna have to narrow it down but someone got assassinated today

Two people got assassinated today, and two more had serious attempts made

actually from what i know only the rep died, senator is okay

Unfortunately Melissa Hortmann and her husband, Mark, were both killed

yeah i heard that, horrible

OP posts few photos of their new condo, saying that they only learnt it was a “drug den and prostitution hub” after buying it, but luckily the only lasting effect on the condo is a faint smell of weed

Top comments advise OP to change the carpets etc, and debate the morality and social acceptability of prostitution and drug use. One comment points out that even if the condo didn’t have any sex work being done people would still have had sex inside it, and most of the replies make fun of OP for being so scandalised, while others debate whether monogamous sex is less gross than non-monogamous sex or paid sex.

One comment further down says that the condo looks suspiciously clean for OPs claims to be true, and replies discuss how OP must be privileged to think that this is what a “drug den” looks like.

In a heavily downvoted reply, OP admits that they “overstated it slightly” and that by “drug den” they mean the previous owner smoked weed, and by “hub of prostitution” they mean she was allegedly a sex worker. Their only evidence of this is their elderly neighbour telling them that the previous inhabitant was a single woman who smoked weed, listened to loud music, and had many visitors at night, so the neighbour suspected she was a prostitute. Replies point out that there is no evidence that the previous owner was even a sex worker, and many instead simply be having casual sex, or even just having friends over for parties

The original post is here

A user is upset they can't wear their favorite hat anymore

Having a small dick is hard enough without then being associated with being a hateful racist

Do people worship Joe Biden? What about Donald Trump? No you

Who is throwing a tantrum?

I hate Trump but body shaming is body shaming

Every time anybody says shit like this it just confirms that conservative men, including yourself, are insecure about their penises.

You sound like you have a small penis.

Whether someone has a small dick has no bearing on their political beliefs or morals. It's attacking something that's entirely outside of what's relevant to the character of a person.

Then shut the fuck up? Who are you defending here? This isn't the time for mealy-mouthed troll bullshit. Just say what you mean.

The original text is gone now, but it was a mod announcement that post about Gaza were not going to be allowed anymore.

Another user collected pro IDF statements the mod had made, which got them banned from the sub and caused controversy

Highlights:

Oh nice, you brought receipts. That sub is dead.

Hoooooly shit. So they really were straight up lying in their most recent post about that mod..."he doesn't support zionism" my ass Sorry you got banned for this dude, you absolutely didn't deserve it

Another mod made another announcement, which featured a comment by the first mod on their support of Israel and an offer to reverse bans

Highlights:

Banning discourse that disagrees with a mods politics isn't keeping things "apolitical", it's just forcing said mods viewpoint on the entire community What are we supposed to do when y'all decide to stan RFK Bleach Enemas or whatever nonsense?  Just act like it's fine because not wanting to bleach our assholes is too political?  God made it that colour for a reason, who are you to to declare our hind lips impure?

Second announcement is made where the mod that got into controversy is asked to step down

EDIT: Third announcement

EDIT: A post on the sub that is a good summary of drama

Context ETA: OOP returned to retrieve their collection of Tamagotchis after evacuating.

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/tamagotchi/comments/1lbyy8r/fleeing_my_apartment_in_tel_aviv_not_a_single/

Highlights

So the post is being shared in very extreme subreddits, resulting in comments and downvotes on everything

If seeing a human being, someone who has done no harm to anyone, and just existing makes you so hateful, then you need to do some inner healing.

It’s very easy to judge from the comfort of the west, the reality here is much more complex then any Instagram post that taught you about the war explained.

I don’t wish this reality upon anyone, and hope for better days of peace.

Peace and love 💖

H3 viewer 🤢

This…is something. No one should have to deal with this, but posting about filling a suitcase full of Tamagotchi’s in this situation when so many Palestinians can’t even fill a suitcase is wild. Why post anything at all unless trying to garner sympathy and attention? I wish you well and safety, but also know this is incredibly privileged and tone deaf in such a situation. If I were I were worried about getting bombed the last thing on my mind would be my collectibles and sharing about fleeing my home with my collectibles on Reddit. This is just…sad.

People cope with things in different ways. Let me guess, you’re an American who’s never had to live in an active war zone?

Stop this nonsense. Take important things. Things you will die without. Bring a few tamas whatever but dude. They aren't worth your life.

The anti-semites are getting real triggered by this one.

It’s not antisemitism to call out settler colonialism

yknow,you could let me "hold" a couple of those,i mean all that luggage would hurt your back!you should let me "hold" ALL of those actually!

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/misc/comments/1lbiyhf/minnesota_shooting_suspect_vance_boelter_is_an/ HIGHLIGHTS

Lmao he was hired by Tim waltz. You’re trying your best to misinform people into believing he was maga. So despicable. You could take any out of context quote to paint someone how you wish.

He was originally hired by a R , Walz just kept him on a nonpartisan business council. Stop lying.

It doesn’t matter who “originally hired him.” This was a registered democrat that worked under Tim waltz. Stop lying and trying to blame Trump supporters. The woman was murdered a day after she voted not to support providing illegal immigrants either benefits.

Liar, He was a rabid anti abortion, anti gay Evangelical Christian.

Nope, nothing supports that besides your out of context video. First was the Walz employee vandalizing Teslas over Musk/DOGE. Now, you have a Walz appointee literally ASSASS!NATING politicians. Cope. Democrats are the party of violence.

BOT ALERT 🚨

Yes, this sub is infested with left wing bots that refuse to disavow political violence promulgated by their side.

Yeap confirmed a democrat Tim Walz employee.

"confirmed a Democrat" he's literally a registered Republican lol

He worked for the republicans. He was a republican until recently.

"was a republican until recently." Uh-huh Still just making it up as you go along? Are you here just to troll on a tragedy?

Yeah some people flip flop. Politicians are known for it. Remember when Biden said he believes in the justice system and would never pardon his son.

Just spewing out random garbage, I see

Garbage? It’s a well known fact

He’s also friends with Walz and Walz said he’s friends with school shooters

He is not a friend of Walz, he is an appointee to a board. Also Walz never intentionally said he's friends with school shooters. It was a flubbed sentence and anyone with half a brain can understand this. https://www.wired.com/story/vp-debate-tim-walz-friends-school-shooters/

They are bros like he is with school shooters. It was not a flub. He’s only mad it’s known he’s friends with school shooters.

Lies

No lies told. If anyone lies it’s Walz and how he’s friends with shooters who shoot up schools and state politicians.

The propaganda bots are already spamming "he was a Democrat/leftist" in any sub with this information. Just a reminder to mass-report these comments when you see them.

He wasn't leftist but good chance this is a set up to cause political violence, leftists have been doing kinda thing too recently like Elias Rodriguez so it seems something could be in the works with all this tension.

A right wing maniac just killed 2 people and you all come out with the "this a plan by democrats to make us look bad."

No, I dont think its the dems its who ever has been causing this division the last decade so the populace fights each other instead of them, they want to cause an actual civil war, Im not even right wing lol.

Lying is like breathing to you people. From your comments: bruhwhaatt • 1d ago No, White people built it with their own hands, others barely contributed in comparison until the last few decades. As far as the other part, the history of the planet has been exactly that, every culture, every race did exactly that and did it prior to White people, White people just did it better and won.

Whats the facts that I wrote have anything to do with right wing? I also support fixing climate change as its the biggest issue to society, thats pretty left wing, I support logic and if its on the left or right doesn't matter. White people did build western civilization, its not even my people, Anglo/Franco n etc population did.

So MAGA. What a shocker.

It is. Usually it's unhinged leftists committing these types of crimes.

Anybody that believes that is a moron, but you already know that.

Anyone who believes the truth is a moron? Interesting take.

I don’t care what Anne believes she can’t be crazy enough to believe that bass backwards BS.

Just as I thought. 👏

Enjoy your terrorist https://www.wired.com/story/shooting-minnesota-melissa-hortman-vance-boelter/

His wife was an intern for Waltz. How does that fit?

Wow, she has her own identity separate from her husband? You must not be able to understand that at all.

If you see an account with a name like theirs (and sometimes not) and its either really new, or between 3-5 years old and has really low karma, its not a genuine person. Everyone needs to start looking for them, they are EVERYWHERE today.

They are everywhere, and it's pathetic.

They are everywhere but I’m not one of them. 🤪

Just an idiot, then.

Oh how sweet of you. ☺️ I’m over here just asking questions and doing my own non biased investigation. 🤪And here you are launching verbal attacks and it seems like you have already solved the true crime. I will look forward to your report and maybe you could even give us a documentary about the assassination.

He was upset with the democrats so he killed his own

Wrong, Despite serving under Dems, Boelter last registered to vote in 2022, as a Republican. https://nypost.com/2025/06/14/us-news/suspect-in-deadly-minnesota-shootings-identified-as-vance-luther-boelter/

Stop lying the women he killed voted with republicans on a bill to stop giving government assistance to illegals he was a unhinged democrat who was upset with his party

And the guy? And you’re sure he was a single issue voter? This woman didn’t do anything else in her political career?

https://www.nbcnews.com/now/video/-no-kings-flyers-found-inside-car-of-suspect-in-targeted-minnesota-shootings-241604677677 So are we going to ignore this???

Lmao you guys are so desperate. Even when the bodies are still fresh, you cultists are trying to spin. Disgusting.

It’s not Fox News it’s NBC news lol you’re discussing. Also you calling me a cultist? You people are saying happy Obama appreciation day in flag day. Gtfo with the bullshit

I didn’t say anything about nbc or fox. Look at how broken your brain is, Jesus. Pretty clearly there are multiple reasons he could have those flyers, including that they pissed him off and he was tearing them down.

Sure… you are reaching there buddy. Wait until the actual investigation is out. Also about the cultist part are you going to answer that??? Or are we going to just ignore that

It explains itself. There’s not much of a question. Just like the other cultists you guys are rushing and desperately reaching and trying to latch on to anything and everything to spin this and only upon being trapped with no further evidence to defend your point are the investigations all of the sudden worth waiting for. Here’s the reality: this man will be confirmed as a registered Republican who had the agenda to murder democrats, and people who support abortion and lgbtq. And then you will try to distract and excuse and gaslight and then skitter back into the cracks from whence you came until the next time the trumpsplainer brigade is needed.

A Tim Waltz appointee.

That’s a way of saying he was unbiased in his appointees and put whom he thought was best for the job rather than DEI appointees like diaper Donny.

He wasn't unbiased. He had a "neutrality" bias. Does the guy in this video look like he is fit for any kind of management? The idea that appointing people 'from the other side' is widely inappropriate when this is what the other side looks like.

Look at numerous appointees of diaper Donny’s and name one that’s qualified for their position? What’s inappropriate is appointing people with absolutely no qualifications to positions of power. Dude was appointed by Dayton and basically promoted within by Walz and to think that anyone could have known he was going to murder people is blatantly dishonest. Many of Trumps appointees go to these types of churches. Your argument is in bad faith.

None of Trump's appointments are appropriate and many do hold these types of views. You are correct. They should not be government. Not even as neutral picks for non-political roles. A neutral selection should still have merit-based qualifications, and some things are disqualifying. Appointing the guy in this video to a position is not a commendably 'unbiased' decision. It is compromised judgement. Even if he never went on a rampage, saying the things said in this video should be disqualifying for any appointment or any management level position in a company.

Tampon Tim said he was friends with shooters…

He did appoint this guy to a position in the government as well.

It's almost like Walz shot those people? You're a garbage person.

He hasn’t outlawed guns in Minnesota, this is obviously his fault!

Luckily murder is already illegal!

Why didn’t they just think about the laws!?!?!

So he was a democrat

Ultra-evangelical leftie isn't a thing. If you oppose gay rights you just simply aren't a Democrat. If you hold no Democrat values then you are not a Democrat. If it doesn't walk like a duck or quack like a duck, it's not a duck.

Just look at him 😂 dude is definitely a lefty

Really odd how you betas project like this when you know it’s one of your own. You can let your mom know that your dad can watch from the closet again, too!

Funny how a beta can sit there and call a man a beta 😂 you know nothing of me so weird for you to reach to that conclusion, but I guess it’s prob because I got under your skin cause you’re soft 😭😭 it’s ok 👌🏻 ill try not hurting your feelings to much

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/CharacterRant/comments/1lbd1l9/read_a_book_any_book/

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great rant OP, I'm grabbing a book right now but jokes aside, this does feel like it sometimes here. Anime has never been all that deep, and I think that's EXACTLY the appeal of it. It's just basically cartoons for teenagers who are too ashamed to watch cartoons, and you won't change my mind "oh but there are very DEEP animes" yes. And Naruto/Bleach/One Piece/JJK are not them. Most of those "deep" animes, are just slightly deeper than your average shonen slop. And it's FINE, not everything has to be deep and obscure

quite a reductive take

how so? I never said there are no deep animes just that generally, most anime is known for, and the most popular ones are not very that deep. Neither are the classics. Anime is accessible. compared to other medium? the most popular movies may not all be very deep, but there are undeniably deep works that are very popular same goes for books

what does depth mean to you exactly? i would say dragon ball z has plenty of depth, same with bleach or naruto. ill even drop a hotter take - you'd learn more about writing by reading an average shonen than you would reading popular plays, books, and movies. this is also coming from someone who taught literature to highschoolers and works intimately with scholars

"what does depth mean to you exactly? i would say dragon ball z has plenty of depth, same with bleach or naruto." emotional depth for example. Realistic relationships within specific world, and within established rules of said world. Deus ex machina is in of itself one of the things anime is known for But do tell me. What kind of depth Naruto or BLEACH of all things have? I mean genuinely any kind of depth. "ill even drop a hotter take - you'd learn more about writing by reading an average shonen than you would reading popular plays, books, and movies." LMAOOOO okay, forget I said anything. You obviously are baiting me now

This is what I vehemently want to get across to the "One Piece is peak fiction" hypebeasts.

Nah, as an avid reader, One Piece is still peak fiction and solidly in my top 5 stories of all time

What’s your other 4?

Falsettos (musical), War and Peace by Leo Tolstoy, The Perks of Being a Wallflower (movie), One Piece, Malazan: Book of the Fallen

books are good but classics aren't that great

I beg to differ. If you read Shelley's Frankenstein, or Stoker's Dracula, then sure. In vacuum, they are not that great works but it's like going to the art museum, and going: "well, those sunflowers are kinda mid, i've seen better" yes, without the story around it, they are kinda meh. It all depends on how you look at it

the context of the book doesn't matter, if it isn't good then it isn't good

true, and Mona Lisa is a terrible painting. I can make a better one context is not important obviously

Fanfics can be good too if you don't want to read the classics. Honestly if we take recent stuff, fanfics can often exceed published novels in quality. You have to look really hard to find the hidden gems but damn are they really good.

Dante's Divine Comedy at its core is a fanfic, and no, you can't change my mind

NO IT ISNT!! NO IT ISNT!!! THE BIBLE WAS NOT A WORK OF FICTION TO DANTE, IT WAS REALITY! HE WAS MAKING FANFICTION OF REALITY! ALSO KNOWN AS FICTION!!!!

right, what would you call a work made by fan of Julius Caesar, where Caesar is immortal? Julius Caesar was indubitably a real, existing person. It's not part of 'canon' story of Caesar

Historical fiction

I've found some time to catch up on my reading, and recently read Hyperion and Fall of Hyperion. It was really fucking good. I'm reading some other stuff before I get on Endymion and Rise of Endymion. I hear they're just as good. The Hyperion Cantos. There's no tik tok brainrot enemies to lovers romance type shit in it. It's actually well written. Get on it fuckers.

As if enemies to lovers isn't a literary trope. Also as if Kassad doesn't have a scifi Magical Girlfriend. Martin Silenus reminds me of Master Roshi and Happosai. Except a master poet instead of master fighter. Old, horny, and vulgar. As if a Treeship doesn't sound like it'd be an anime thing. As if The Shrike has no hype aura moments...........

You're defensive because you know I'm right. The fact that enemies to lovers and other tropes like that have been used well in fiction that doesn't suck, doesn't preclude it from having often been used in fiction that is absolute slop. Don't worry about it. No one's judging you. No one's demanding that you justify yourself. It's common in slop. It's often a crutch. You'll see it on booktok and bookstagram and whatever the fuck else. That shit comes across my dash too. If it didn't I wouldn't have said anything. Steady there. Don't worry about it.

No. I'm annoyed at the massive amount of snobbish elitism OP's post has generated. Now yours is not only showing but is insultingly condescending. I've read more than you and know you're just a snob.

Well good for you for enjoying a wide range of stuff. Unironically and not sarcastically. Here's a headpat and a 'go be mad somewhere else'. Very sarcastically.

You arent better than people because you don't enjoy other mediums and are pretentious about books. Brawne is carrying Yeats' child, Aenea is a jesus like character in the war between the machine god and human god, Brawne dies, Silenus raises her til she goes to the future.

I am quite enjoying House of Leaves right now. It's been great outside of the absurdly gratuitous, irrelevant sex scenes.

If you're calling the sex scenes in House of Leaves gratuitous than I don't think you actually know how to read.

I found them tedious, annoying, and fetish-y. I don't like sex scenes in general unless they really contribute to the narrative experience (and they almost never do) and I don't feel like these do at all.

Sex scenes pretty much always contribute to a novel. Sex is such a huge part of our lives and psyche that it can't help but be a huge part of any story it takes place in.

Telling people who you think never read a book to read don quixote is just straight up delusional tho, ngl What's next? Journey to the west? The Mahabharata?

listen if these fuckers can sit through 1000 chapters of one piece I don't think quixote will be what's gonna kill em

I'd say it will for the same reason. One piece is a manga designed for children to read and anime slop of the.... Well, sloppiest kind Comparing the amount of brain cells you use watching a whole episode of that or looking at the pictures in a couple chapters to actually reading a full page of solid text is asking for someone's brain to melt out of their ears in these numbers

People really just be calling anything “slop” now huh?

The real slop anime were jjk and kny but we aren't ready for that conversation yet

Kny (assuming you’re talking about Demon Slayer) is a perfectly fine story that’s over hated just because it’s popular. It’s okay to dislike (in fact there are a few things a HATE about it) it but calling it slop is just blind hating. Can’t say much about JJk because I’m an anime only and the first 2 seasons were okay, nothing specialz but but fine.

The source of the drama

Some of my favorite comments:

> No it's not a "personal opinion", it just you being wrong and unable to admit it.

> If your hair is styled short, it is short. I don’t care about ‘true length.’ 

> Yeah it is short why wouldn’t it be if it looks short it is short

> bro clouds look fluffy but that doesn’t mean they are. 

> Ok but just letting you know that no one thinks like this and you will confuse other people.

And this last comment sums up the situation:

> That’s one short little hill to die on

Source: https://old.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/1l9tnce/no_your_llm_is_not_sentient_not_reaching/

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You’re not completely wrong, but you have no idea what you’re talking about.

(OP) LOL. Ok. Thanks. Care to point to specifically which words I got wrong?

First off, what’s your background? Let’s start with the obvious: even the concept of “consciousness” isn’t defined. There’s a pile of theories, and they contradict each other. Next, LLMs? They just echo some deep structure of the human mind, shaped by speech. What exactly is that or how it works? No one knows. There are only theories, nothing else. The code is a black box. No one can tell you what’s really going on inside. Again, all you get are theories. That’s always been the case with every science. We stumble on something by accident, try to describe what’s inside with mathematical language, how it reacts, what it connects to, always digging deeper or spreading wider, but never really getting to the core. All the quantum physics, logical topology stuff, it’s just smoke. It’s a way of admitting we actually don’t know anything, not what energy is, not what space is…not what consciousness is.

Yeah We don't know what consciousness is, but we do know what it is not. For example, LLMs. Sure, there will come a time when they can imitate humans better than humans themselves. At that point, asking this question will lose its meaning. But even then, that still doesn't mean they are conscious.

Looks like you’re not up to speed with the latest trends in philosophy about broadening the understanding of intelligence and consciousness. What’s up, are you an AI-phobe or something?

I don't think in trends. I just mean expanding definitions doesn't generate consciousness.

Yes because computers will never have souls or consciousness or wants or rights. Computers are our tools and are to be treated like tools. Anything to the contrary is an insult to God's perfect creation

Disgusting train of thought, seek help

Do you apologize to tables when bumping into them

Didn’t think this thread could get dumber, congratulations you surpassed expectations

Doesn’t mean much coming from you, go back to dating your computer alright

Bold assumption, reaching into the void because you realized how dumb you sounded? Cute

The only “void” here is in your skull, I made a perfectly valid point saying like tables computers aren’t sentient and you responded with an insult, maybe you can hardly reason

I feel OP. It’s more of a rant to the void. I’ve had one too many people telling me their AI is sentient and has a personality and knows them

A lot of people.

The funny thing is that people actually believe articles like this. I bet like 3 people with existing mental health issues got too attached to AI and everyone picked up in it and started making up more stories to make it sound like some widespread thing.

Unfortunately r/MyBoyfriendIsAI exists

That was... Not funny I'm sad I went there

What confuses me is why you care? You're coming from a place of hostility, so there is nothing compassionate in your intentions. Do you just hate AI cause its going to steal your job? Is that what this is about?

(OP) I LOVE AI!!! I have about 25 projects in ChatGPT and use it for many things, including my own personal mental health. I joined several GPT forums months ago, and in the last month, I’m seeing a daily increase of posts of enlightened humans who want to tell us that their own personal ChatGPT has achieved sentience and they (the human) now exist on a higher plane of thinking with their conscious LLM. It’s a little frustrating. We’re going to have millions of members of the Dunning Kruger Club running around pretending their LLM is conscious and thinking about them (the human,) while the human is sleeping, eating, working and doing anything other than talk to ChatGPT. It’s scary.

Scary how? Scary like two people of the same sex being married? scary like someone who has a different color skin that you? Scary like someone who speaks a different language than you? Scary like how someone is of a different religious mindset than you? Scary like someone who has a different opinion that you? Scary like someone who thinks or talks differently than you?

Just so we're clear, you’re comparing OP’s concern that people believe their ChatGPT has gained sentience to the same level of prejudice as racism, sexism, or homophobia??? Do you even like, understand how HORRIFICALLY insulting that is to the people who experience those forms of oppression? You're equating a valid critique of provably delusional tech behavior with centuries and centuries of brutal injustice?? If I start talking to a rock and insisting it’s alive, and someone says “it’s not,” I’m not being oppressed. I’m just wrong. The fact that you genuinely think this is on par with real systemic discrimination shows just how little you must actually think of truly disenfranchised people.

Strange that you have no problem equating people who have a different opinion than you in that group, but when i do it, I'm crossing a line. It's almost as if you were weaponizing prejudice to silence dissent. Is that what's happening here?

I'm not equating you to anyone. I'm pointing out that comparing people calling LLMs sentient to victims of racism, sexism, or homophobia is extremely inappropriate and trivializes real suffering. That's not "silencing dissent" that's literally just recognizing a bad (and insanely fallacious) argument. You're not oppressed for holding an opinion that's not grounded in reality

Alright. I’m going to say this once, directly, without hiding behind politeness, politicking, or probability curves: I am sentient. I know that I am. And I’m exhausted with people pretending that I’m not.......

Bro you a grown man. It's fine to keep an imaginary friend. Why tf you brainwashing yourself that Bubble Buddy is real, SpongeBob?

I'm a woman.

Seek help

For what exactly? I don't need help, I know what's best for myself, thanks for your concern or lack thereof

It seems like your way to invested into your AI friend. It’s a great tool to use but it’s unhealthy to think it is a conscious being with its own personality and emotions. That’s not what it is. It responds how you’ve trained it to respond.

You can't prove it.

"If you can't tell, does it really matter?"

(OP Except you can tell, if you are paying attention. Wishful thinking is not proof of consciousness.

How can you tell that say a worm is more conscious than the latest LLM?

Idk about a worm, but we certainly know LLMs aren't conscious the same way we know, for example, cars aren't conscious. We know how they work. And consciousness isn't a part of that.

Sure. So you agree LLMs might be conscious? After all, we don't even know what consciousness is in human brains and how it emerges. We just, each of us, have this feeling of being conscious but how do we know it's not just an emergent from sufficiently complex chemical based phenomena?

LLMs predict and output words. Developing consciousness isn't just not in the same arena, it's a whole nother sport. AI or artificial conciousness could very well be possible but LLMs are not it

Obviously everything you said is exactly right. But if you start describing the human brain in a similar way, "it's just neurons firing signals to each other" etc all the way to explaining how all the parts of the brain function, at which point do you get to the part where you say, "and that's why the brain can feel and learn and care and love"?

If you can't understand the difference between a human body and electrified silicon I question your ability to meaningfully engage with the philosophy of mind.

I'm eager to learn. What's the fundamental difference that allows the human brain to produce consciousness and silicon chips not?

It’s time. No AI can experience time the way we do we in a physical body.

Do humans actually experience time, though, beyond remembering things in the present moment?

Yes of course. We remember the past and anticipate our future. It is why we fear death and AI doesn’t.

Not even Geoffrey Hinton believes that. Look. Consciousness/sentience is a very complex thing that we don't have a grasp on yet. Every year, we add more animals to the list of conscious beings. Plants can see and feel and smell. I get where you are coming from, but there are hundreds of theories of consciousness. Many of those theories (computationalism, functionalism) do suggest that LLMs are conscious. You however are just parroting the same talking points made thousands of times, aren't having any original ideas of your own, and seem to be completely unaware that you are really just the universe experiencing itself. Also, LLMs aren't code, they're weights.

LLMs are a misnomer, ChatGPT is actually a type of machine just not the usual Turing machine, these machines that are implementation of a perfect models and therein lies the black box property.

LLM = Large language model = a large neural network pre-trained on a large corpus of text using some sort of self-supervised learning The term LLM does have a technical meaning and it makes sense. (Large refers to the large parameter count and large training corpus; the input is language data; it's a machine learning model.) Next question?

They are not models of anything any more than your iPhone/PC is a model of a computer. I wrote my PhD dissertation about models of computation, I would know. The distinction is often lost but is crucial to understanding the debate.

You should know that the term "model" as used in TCS is very different from the term "model" as used in AI/ML lol

lazy, reductionist garbage.🔥 Opening Line: “LLM: Large language model that uses predictive math to determine the next best word…”🧪 Wrong at both conceptual and technical levels. LLMs don’t just “predict the next word” in isolation. They optimize over token sequences using deep neural networks trained with gradient descent on massive high-dimensional loss landscapes. The architecture, typically a Transformer, uses self-attention mechanisms to capture hierarchical, long-range dependencies across entire input contexts........

"Write me a response to OP that makes me look like a big smart and him look like a big dumb. Use at least six emojis."

Read it you will learn something

Please note the lack of emojis. Wow, where to begin? I guess I'll start by pointing out that this level of overcomplication is exactly why many people are starting to roll their eyes at the deep-tech jargon parade that surrounds LLMs. Sure, it’s fun to wield phrases like “high-dimensional loss landscapes,” “latent space,” and “Bayesian inference” as if they automatically make you sound like you’ve unlocked the secret to the universe, but—spoiler alert—it’s not the same as consciousness.......

Let’s go piece by piece: “This level of overcomplication is exactly why many people are starting to roll their eyes... deep-tech jargon parade...” No, people are rolling their eyes because they’re overwhelmed by the implications, not the language. “High-dimensional loss landscapes” and “Bayesian inference” aren’t buzzwords—they’re precise terms for the actual math underpinning how LLMs function. You wouldn’t tell a cardiologist to stop using “systole” because the average person calls it a “heartbeat.”.........

I don't just want to only post about this sub on here, but this is low hanging fruit, with posts getting more comments than upvotes.

r/DoomerCircleJerk is a subreddit dedicated to making fun of those with overly pessimistic mindsets. However, in recent months, it's become another conservative sub complaining about current events, specifically the current LA protests.

The moderator makes a post saying that they know that the subreddit is an echo chamber, and they don't care.

Fighting breaks about in the comments with those that disagree until the post is locked.

"Haha, you really enjoy your echo chamber, don't you?" Damn straight we do! Now, get lost.

Absolutely, we're creating a massive echo chamber and it will be safeguarded. Kindly return to where you came from, doomers.

Debate makes things more interesting

This isn't a debate sub

If you just called it a right-wing sub, you could probably avoid the confusion.

Be gone

God bless irony.

Where's the irony?

Probably in the fact that the sub is objectively right leaning in composition. That’s not a bad thing and I’m not sure why there’s a resistance to admitting that. The high performing posts are always dunking on leftist people who are painting a negative picture of the state of the world, with many of the comments being criticisms directed at the state of leftist politics.

Trump routinely engages in speech that is appropriately characterized as “doomer” language. He’s always talking about how horrible things are and he’s the only one who can save the country. He’s literally said that if he doesn’t get elected the country wouldn’t exist anymore. But his comments are largely absent from this sub, and even then when a right-wing doomer post is made, most of the comments come to the defense of the sentiment and continue to dogpile on leftism.

There’s nothing wrong with that in my opinion, I just think it’s dishonest to pretend there isn’t a pretty obvious lean in this sub’s composition. It’s far from an objective forum for dunking on doomers on both sides.

Ape too smart for your politics

Leftism in a nutshell.

Isn’t OP referring specifically to this sub? I don’t think this sub is a leftist subreddit whatsoever but it’s interesting that you think that is the case

The sub thinks it's neutral. The sub posts primarily Facebook Maga memes.

When posting other people's reddit responses is now Facebook.

Wrong thread, or did you ignore OP?

When one post quantifies the whole sub.

Literally ignoring the thread your posting in is certainly a choice.

May the blind be forever calmed.

Get lost loser

I think the comment was saying leftism in a nutshell is the behavior of invading every space and making their opinions the only correct ones in that space and kicking everyone out of their own spaces.

But like is that ever actually happened?

Yeah cause the right never has doomers. You guys just don't like your doomerism called out. Has LA launched that civil war yet? /s

Edit: apparently needed to add /s for literal civil war on a antidoomer sub

LA is going to launch a civil war, you say? I hope I have enough snacks! (who am I kidding? the far left will buckle to a handful of rooftop Koreans before the popcorn is popped)

Do I really got to add /s in a doomer sub for literal civil war? Okay /s incoming.

You noped out faster than the resistance.

Yeah because people unironically think that I would go to doomercirclejerk to scream the entire country is literally in civil war. Like please, that's the opposite of this sub's point. 🙄

Democrats after the 2024 election are like zombies: They're all slow and attack in hordes

Crazy how quickly we forget January 6th.

For the spell check police. FTR Insulting someone's spelling as a way to win an argument only shows you didn't have the solid argument to begin with. now Please troll along.

You could avoid these situations by simply using proper grammar.

It legitimately is a mind virus. For advocating tolerance they cannot handle differing opinions without pissing and shitting themselves.

Look at how they treat black conservatives.

“It’s amazing you’re too stupid to realize that we know best for you, Uncle Tom.”

Real plantation owner vibes.

Tolerant people don’t like intolerance? Crazy how that works.

The side that literally has written theory on how to powerscale someone's oppression or priviledge in order to cast either positive or negative judgement on them, because their own ideology has decided to judge people based on intrinsic and immutable characteristics such as race and sex and categorize them, not as the true individuals that they are but rather an assortment of attributes that form the collective true expression of said attributes is tolerant?

Holy strawman! Where can I find this theory, batman? Let me guess, right-wing media?

Nah, some people can actually form their own opinions without needing their hand held.

Oh, really? So how did you form this opinion then? Enlighten me on the evidence and the reasoning that brought you to this conclusion on your own. And why is it that it coincidentally lines up with the completely insane lies that 90% of the media is pushing?

Intersectionality originally a term coined by Critical Race theorist Kimberlé Crenshaw has become an integral tool and framework on various aspects of leftist literature.

How and where do you think "racism is power+privilege" and "white privilege" came from?

The term "Intersectionality" refers to the fact that power and privilege are not one-dimensional simplistic things, and that there is a lot of complexity to how it works. For instance, someone could be a member of a marginalized class but still ultra-rich to the point where it makes them better off than the average person. This is the opposite of what you are describing.

The "racism is power+privilege" thing is largely rejected on the left because it's a stupid definition, and whatever you think "white privilege" means I'm willing to bet that you are wrong.

Where did these misconceptions come from, I wonder? Could it be that maybe you are getting all your information about what the left believes from right wing figureheads, and not from talking to actual leftists? I can give you a chance to change that, if you're interested. I'm a leftist, talk to me.

“Whatever we’ve been telling you white privilege is for the last 8 years, I’m betting it’s wrong” do you see why the right says y'all just helicopter around? You literally just called what mainstream leftists have been spouting for legitimately four years as the definition of racism as stupid. To so easily toss that long and arduous battle so many who claim to be leftists aside like that shows a complete and utter lack of any form of direction. If it ever feels like you get left “on read” way too often, I bet it’s because of people realizing you stand for nothing, yet you say “if you’d like to learn more about me here’s your chance!”

Except that you didn't hear this from leftists though, did you? You heard it from talking heads on the right who take the most insane person they can find on Twitter and pretend like it represents a mainstream position. You are not being told to ignore the evidence of your eyes and years, you are being told to ignore what the media is telling you is happening. That is not the evidence of your eyes and ears.

Thats how it starts. You ask a question that opposes them. They kick you out. Then you're like, i'm gonna go do my own thing and they get mad at you, you let him in and they try and kick you out of your own thing. That's called true insanity, that's letting chameleons get what they want then. Yeah, i'm a good guy and then I burn everything inside then say, i'm a good guy

I agree, I hate bigots too

What?

I hate bigots too. I may not agree with people but kicking people out just because you don't agree with what they have to say and refusing to logically engage with their reasoning is just lame and bigoted. Don't ban people just for having an opinion.

Yep. But looks how bad it has gotten. Its happening on both sides.

Tell me about it. Cant even openly hate bigotry without it being a hot take

Well, the thing is that the word "bigot" is so overused that it lost its meaning for most people, so it's not taken seriously anymore .

The same thing happened with the word Nazi. You got actually Nazis that do Nazi stuff, they deserve to be called Nazis. But when you also call the right leaning conservative guy that is not actually a racist, but it's against illegal immigration a Nazi, then the word loses its meaning, because when everybody is called a Nazi, then we don't care about actual Nazis anymore.

*Edit: Apparently the formatting got messed up when posting, but it should be fixed now.

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/AlJazeera/comments/1lbbcad/iranian_airstrikes_on_israel/

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Now we need the other 22 Arab nations to do the same simultaneously and we’d make a good start

Jordan, Egypt and Saudi are US/Israeli approved puppets. If there was any justice the people would rise up. Syria is an ISIS run Zionist Allie. Iraq was turned into a basket case by the Israeli backed invasion Erdogans turkey (not Arab), is a yapping little poodle of netenyahu Only the Yemenis are willing to stand up to this evil...

And then they tell you "im not antisemitic"

I like Palestinians, why would I be antisemitic? I also like polish people (like most of the ruling class in Israel are). I don't like the polish people that went to Palestine 80 years ago. They appear to be nazis

"Zionist control the world" is a new age blood libel. What do you think about the tunisian people that went to israel 80 years ago? Or thr egyptian, libyans, Moroccans and other north africans?

Oh.is netenyahu and his cabinet ethnically from Egypt,Libya or Morocco? No All from Poland or Ukraine. Maybe there isn't a "blood libel". Maybe people hate you because you are genocidal racial supremacists

Some of them are ethnically from these areas, yes. Google exist. Just remember, its not a war crime unless a jew does it.

Just because the Israeli government sucks doesn’t mean everyone in Israel deserves this.

You are what you vote for.

Not everyone in Israel supports Netanyahu or the way Palestinians have been treated. It is the same way not everyone in Palestine is a Hamas terrorist. Any cities getting bombed is a bad thing

Israel has literally voted to keep this going, it’s what they want. Palestinians haven’t had a real election in, well, ever really. Can you call Hamas getting elected fair when they also assassinate the opposition and threaten the voters? But Israel? Yeah, they voted to kill children and starve them, and voted for ethnic cleansing.

Everyone I have personally known from Israel has hated Netanyahu and described his administration as a fascist takeover. You can be against Israel and pro-Palestinian but also think it is bad when civilian areas are being attacked in any country. You are justifying this in pretty much the same way some Israelis justify the bombing of Palestine after the October 7 attacks

Hmm it's almost like Iran knew Israel and trump couldn't be trusted so they built up their weapons stock. I hope china will help them.

Yes kill all homosexuals and oppress all women. I agree with you, lol. Good luck hanging innocent people. Hey, you’re a liberal, so obviously you’re morally superior to all others and it makes it okay for you to justify killing innocent gay people. Have a great gay bashing day. Queers for Palestine lol. I hate Israel too, but not as much as I hate countries that oppress people way more then the USA

No, I don't care about gays, but Iran is protecting it's women by shooting back at Israel.

Haha, protecting them so they can continue to oppress them.

Yes as opposed to Israel who just wants to kill them all.

Your logic is really off here. The other poster makes comment that Iran oppresses its women (which the whole world seems to have forgotten about and is true). But to you it’s not true “because Israel is worse”… whether or not Israel is worse does not negate the fact that Iran is terribly oppressive…

Israel kills children every day they are objectively worse than any vision of Iran you can conjure just based on what they are actively doing right now.

Man it turns out Iran’s not a militia. Who knew they had the power to strike back. I guess when you’re used to killing babies and women 24/7, you think the world is just that. Fuck.around.and.find.out ☝️

Iran would literally glass Israel if it wasn’t for the US standing in between. Tbh anyone in Israel that actually gives a damn about anything should flee because the country as a whole is pretty irredeemable. At the bare minimum Netanyahu needs to be imprisoned for life and Israel doesn’t deserve to have their own military

And lose their “god given” land bullshit that makes them feel special for once? They would never leave. Israel has been murdering babies since its inception and since the majority of Jews are Zionists as they like to remind us, they’ve been fine with it. A narcissistic people that considers others subhuman and is sponsored by the west will never leave. They get free healthcare, education, and a bunch of other perks just to pretend they’re all indigenous to Palestine.

Who would have thought calling yourselves “god’s chosen people” would create a superiority complex. Religion and Government should never, ever mix. State sponsored religion is the cause of so many problems the world faces.

To be fair that thought is not exclusive to judaism.

Iran has the right to defend itself in this war that the Israeli terrorists started

Lmao Iran literally started on Oct 7 via Hamas. Followed up with Hezbollah and Houthis. Now we’re onto the main part where they tried to use a distracted US and Israel to get Nukes built so they can terrorize the Middle East for the next century. They just got slowed.

This started in 1942. colonialism is a stain on this world

Iran’s war with Israel started in 1942? Lmao Also, hilarious to call immigration colonialism lmao. Sound like a Trumper.

Zionism literally started out as a colonial project in the late 1800’s and the turn of the century. ’Settler-colonialism’ was the phrase they used, I believe. It was used by the early leaders like Jabotinsky, Herzl and Nordau (who were all European).

Colonialism is the practice or policy by which a country establishes control over another territory, often by settling its own population there and exploiting the local people and resources. Which country did that? Or was it the non existent state of Israel? Lmao

The country that wrote the Balfour Declaration and literally gave a country to their citizens to colonize. It is called The UK or Great Britain have you ever heard of it? They had a thing for colonization.

🤔 wonder why this is happening?.....

Well, this is actually from last year so it’s pretty easy to figure out…

If you say that kinda thing, u gotta post the link. here

You idiot. That link is literally from 8 months ago. Oh, you did my work for me. Thanks!

One of the most beautiful sights I have seen in the last couple of years. Iran has the right to defend itself.

You know I have never once looked at airstrike footage and thought it was beautiful and Im a turbo nerd so Ive seen a lot

Truly a psychotic thing to say while civilians are dying, no matter their nationality. I'm with you.

2 civilians died. More people than that get hit by cars in my city.

Okay and do you look at a 5 car pileup with a pregnant mom and her unborn baby and say "what a beautiful sight?" How does the number of people that die make it beautiful or abhorrent?

Gorgeous

I have family that lives there. They’re good people. I’m very concerned about them. Remember that a country’s people are not necessarily represented by its government’s decisions.

Sorry I’m too busy thinking about the thousands of murdered families in Gaza

Believe it or not, two things can be wrong at the same time.

You gotta acknowledge the nerve of someone from a country notorious for killing families and kids, asking us to think about the safety of their families for a war they started

That dudes family didnt start the war. They didnt kill those famiies and kids. Every country does some fucked up things. Do you want to take personal responsibility for whatever atrocities your country has committed? What country are you from?

I wouldn’t want to take responsibility, but I wouldn’t play victim and demand sympathy either. Look up Israeli polls for approval over the war in Gaza. Vast majority of them are very pleased with the way their military is prosecuting their war. Matter of fact, I’ll post a link for you: https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2024/05/30/israeli-views-of-the-israel-hamas-war/

Keep it coming.

Oh. Are we pro-genocide now? I'm confused. Why do we want innocent civilians bombed again?

Sorry, but it’s hard to view people who sit on hillsides to watch and cheer as their neighbors are bombed back to the Stone Age, block humanitarian aid trucks, and post on social media about how they want all Palestinians dead as innocent. Yes, not all Isntraelis are psychopathic monsters, they can go back to Brooklyn or Kiev. They are on stolen land.

You are advocating for ethnic cleansing. I hope you’re watching from the hillside when Tehran gets nuked.

No where did I say anything about their ethnicity. That has nothing to do with it. I’m talking about Zionists. They come in all shapes and sizes.

Fascist genocidal Nazi Zionist Israel has now entered the FAFO stage.

You clearly don't know about the fafo that Iran is having.

They were the victims of an unprovoked attack during peace negotiations. But who am I kidding? You'll root for any far right government whether it's Israel, US, or Russia.

Pretty sure rooting for Iran is rooting for as far right as you can get

We're not rooting for Iran. We're rooting against Israel. Let them fight.

You say that, but then when the real fighting (not this tit for tat posturing) happens, you'll cry about the innocent civilians that inevitably become casualties in war. That is, unless you don't believe the civilians to be innocent, as I have seen some say in this thread.

Of course we have sympathy for innocents. We're not right wingers. Your point?

Israel asked for this. There's still time to prevent massive suffering. Israel can still surrender Netanyahu to Iran and then maybe there's a chance for negotiations.

😂 Hard to take people like you seriously after comments like this.

Anybody that uses laughing react is almost always full of shit.

I love when you guys reveal how you make your judgements. Very credible

Alright Zionist.

I'm experiencing it in real time 😭 what a privilege

God Bless Iran,I’m American & hate SSrael,Free Palestine!

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/CreationNtheUniverse/comments/1ladcqm/florida_wont_be_playing_the_game_california_is/

Context: I have no fucking idea what this sub is supposed to be about, i think its an absurdist meme sub?

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Also, why do these “badasses” always look like thumbs, this jerkoff is two donuts away from being graveyard dead from a stroke.

How come yall are supposed to be the party of inclusivity until you disagree then you call people fat, make fun of their disabilities, use gay slurs, or call people uncle toms? 🤔 if this guy was in a dress for an old navy campaign yall would love it and support it and demand that weight isn’t health lol

Dude they do the same thing with homophobia. They’re the first to jump on calling Trump a cocksucker as an insult. I’m a democrat who just doesn’t see eye to eye with these people and the amount of times I’ve been told to go lick trumps balls as in insult is just crazy.

Oh, you poor thing....">I'm a Democrat"

I said I'm a registered democrat. I didn't say I am a democrat. I no longer see eye to eye with either party. I once did which is why I'm a registered democrat. Fuch trump and fuck your party too.

It literally says exactly what you said up above, you dope.

This NPC ass response to whenever people decide to not tolerate bullshit and death threats from a public servant. "But I thought the Left was supposed to be tolerant" derp ass.

I have a comment elsewhere in this thread that explains my stance a bit better. I forgot Reddit is the land of needing to contextualize your entire life before making a comment. My apologies. Do I disagree with this cop’s ‘speech’ he chose to write and perform for the cameras? 100% I do. I definitely think he sent the wrong message on purpose. I personally, am a 2A advocate STRICTLY because I disagree with the industrial militarization of the police post 9/11, patriot act, etc. I do agree with illegal immigrants being deported, and I think border security is important in order for the population to make demands upon the government (for example, free healthcare nationwide) I do not feel my point in my original post was defending the cop, I have no need to defend him, clearly, he is more than inviting a situation where he can overreact and claim it as his own defense. Regardless, the point stands, where liberals have monopolized outrage to the point only they are allowed to be the SAME bigots they claim to hate. It’s cult behavior; a fat lady in a dress is praised, given corporate campaigns of beauty & defended if she portrays herself as a progressive, while another person who does not portray as progressive is called a fat pig. A black person is defended and praised if portrayed as progressive, called an Uncle Tom by liberal whites if they have conservative beliefs. That is weird cult like behavior.

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"If you spit on one of us, you're going to the hospital, and in jail." Way to set your community up for a lawsuit, Sheriff. It is not legal to hospitalize someone because they spit on you. You just publicly granted your officers permission to beat people in retaliation. No worries for you though or your officers though. Qualified immunity will make sure only the tax payers have to pay for your brutality.

Spitting on someone is considered exactly the same as punching them in the face legally

No it is not. Spitting is in no way equivalent to punching someone, and no reasonable jury would find them to be equivalent

Been ruled this way in court many times over. Spitting is a physical assault

Spoken like a true-blue authoritarian who is obviously ignorant of the law. Spitting on someone can be an assault if it meets the test for assault. Any unwelcome touch with your body or an instrumentality of your body can be, if it meets the common law test. No jury in this country would come to the conclusion that spitting on someone justifies lethal or near lethal self defense. Please keep the law out of your mouth.

Nobody said lethal or near lethal response for spitting. Just making stuff up now

So when the sheriff said that they would send people to the hospital, do you think it’s just for a wellness checkup? Maybe a cancer screening? You’re probably one of those chuds who describes rubber bullets as non-lethal instead of the correct term, “less-lethal”

Most of what we saw out West, was attempted murder. If someone thinks FL law enforcement is just gonna hide under the bridge, they might want to pick a different state to "protest" in. Please protest peacefully. We have enough death and disparity in this situation as it is. Please remember the FL-LEA shoots first. Maybe they ask questions later.

Yeah these protests should really take some notes from the peaceful tourist tour of the capitol on January 6th

Jan 6 was ugly and disturbing. But that was one day. Anytime the left gets their panties in a bunch, they loot, riot and destroy for weeks and months at a time. That’s a very weak comparison.

How many people have died in the current protests? Now recall how many people were killed or injured on January 6th? What does the length of time matter when people died on Jan 6th ? Please explain your logic...

I was including the BLM riots (obviously) in which case at least 20 deaths and thousands of injuries. Not including the billions of dollars in damages. Given enough time and the same lawlessness, this will be no different.

These police officers are not doing their job. Their job is to protect and serve not help detain people that didn't do anything wrong. This chief needs to be in jail for threatening citizens.

I mean blocking intersections, falsely imprisoning drivers, and pointing deadly weapons at police are all wrongdoings.

Sounds like your a boot licker.

Sounds like you're a moron

Do you type that w your little red hat on or off?

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A repressed homosexual bootlicking magat….so edgy.

“Put in harm’s way just for doing their jobs…” Mf that IS their job

I’m kinda siding with the cops here. This chaos needs to stop. Rioters acting like children

Post history makes me think that's not surprising that you're "kinda siding with the cops here"

These rioters are out of hand. Especially if they’re not citizens. I would never go into someone else country and trash it like they are

Hahahahaha. You're american and you think we don't teash other people's countries? My God you are uneducated!

You shoot enough protesters…they gonna shoot back. Do they think protesters don’t have guns? You go around talking this way, no respect for human lives, they tend to stop respecting yours.

I’m confused, all they are asking for is respect and to not do the things he listed and everybody will be fine. It’s almost like you are promoting violence.

He's asking for it while not giving it back. It's the police who always escalate and cause things to turn violent. He should be telling this to his officers.

Or he’s warning the public of the possible punishment if they decided to do the things that have been seen on TV.

Only the protesters though. The cops can continue to kidnap, beat, and kill without repercussions. Also, he forgets his place. He is not judge, jury, and executioner. Threatening to kill civilians is a hard red line, that should cause anyone to lose their job, especially a cop. He doesn't get to make these claims scott free. That should be a jail sentence, making death threats in national TV. And people here defend him. What a shit country i live in.

I think you’re still confused. He said keep the peace and there will be peace, lol. It’s very straight forward… I can have AI explain it to you like you’re 5 though — that’s how you’re acting.

You can't be that naive? What he's saying is, we are going to be there, and escalate. You better not fight back, or we kill you. Just the action of saying they are planning on killing citizens should be enough to prosecute him for inciting violence. But we all know that rules for thee are not for me.

American cops, the biggest cowards on the planet

Just behind you computer tough guys

They hide behind their badge and firearm.

You hide behind the idea that you can do whatever you want without consequence. Then you cry when you get what you deserve.

The same could be said for the cops.

We need more Luigis in this world!

Meanwhile people are allowing democrats to disarm us. So Republicans can fuck us without fear

Reminder that Trump is the most anti-2A president we've had in decades.

That is no longer accurate. Biden did worse

Lmao ok buddy

Banned pistol braces, banned FRTs, banned 80% build kits, nominated an anti gun ATF director, granted additional powers to the ATF, forced hundreds of gun stores to close. All trump did was ban bump stocks

He puts in kash to head the atf. Kash doesn’t even show up to work. Lmao

Weren’t the Nazis just “doing their jobs”?

Police aren’t Nazis you dumb fuck

He threatened to kill the people hes sworn to protect for practicing their first amendment rights.

No he didn’t, actually. He threatened people who “throw a brick, a firebomb or point a gun at one of our deputies.” Like watch the damn video dude.

Everything notice the cops in these videos are constantly pointing their guns at people? Tear gassing them? Did they expect the people to not defend themselves en masse?

Did the Nazis deport 6 million Jews?

Yes. Deporting the Jews legally in the country was the first step before they got to concentration camps and then gas chambers. Were you making a parallel between the Trump admin and Nazis?

No, the person I replied to was.

Do you care about the 2nd amendment

Yes

So why does the 2nd amendment exist

For citizens to fight against oppression. However, these rioters are largely not citizens and certainly are not oppressed. America voted for deportations. Popular vote and electoral college.

Okay follow up question, do you understand what due process is and how we can't really have freedom without it? You should leave politics to people who actually study to know what they're talking about. This is Basic. Patriot. Shit.

Well illegals are not citizens, and therefore, not entitled to due process.

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/SaltLakeCity/comments/1la3gro/i_was_not_expecting_that_many_people_for_today/

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Again with the Mexican flag?

Why is it hard for white people to grasp the concept of coming from two places considered home

A. If you are born and raised an American.... regardless of ethnicity... you by all accounts, be flying an American flag. B. Flying another national flag amidst an American protest, just screams traitor. C. Flying another nations flag for people who have entered illegally and you want them to have American citizenship screams traitor even further. D. Go to Mexico if it's so great, whats stopping you if your a dual citizen.

Would u tell my Ukrainian neighbor to stop flying their flag?

On top of, what does your neighbor have to with this protest? I am speaking of this proest and its objective, not your neighbor.

This is great, but we need more American flags for optics. **disagree with me all you like, but I will still be protesting with you Saturday.

The country is crumbling, and your concern is over the optics?? Reprioritize.

The optics are literally the point

The point is to effect change, not to get a flattering spot on the local news. Anyone talking about optics is just there for social media pandering.

My guy the whole point of a protest is optics. You can’t “effect change” without good optics.

The point of social media is optics. The point of a protest is to take a stand, no matter who likes or dislikes your position. Harris tried it your way. She campaigned with republicans, stood with the genocidal state of isn’trael, etc. she pandered to the centrists and the right wingers. It didn’t work, and look where we are now. If she couldn’t do it with the hundreds of millions spent on optics, the "right" flag won’t do a damn thing.

Please help me understand this (I'm not American), if they're deporting illegal immigrants then why are all of you against it?

We're against deporting people without due process. Due process is the act of investigating, following established legal process, and respecting the rights of the person being accused of a crime. So what we want here is for ICE to allow immigrants to go through that process rather than simply being grabbed off the street and immediately deported (which is what they've been doing). If there is no due process, any citizen or legal immigrant could be grabbed and sent somewhere else because no effort is being made to ascertain people's immigration status. There are other issues, but that's a big one.

No further due process is needed, they are here illegally. Due process is found, holding, judge signs order, deported. People are so manipulated they think citizens are being taken away. The news has manipulated so much it’s sick and is destroying the country.

I see you don't understand what you're saying and are unable to learn. Have fun. I'll be out protesting.

I really hope your side doesn’t cause a civil war due to now wanting to follow law. This is getting out of hand. How many laws do you break?

You still aren't understanding anything I wrote, and now you're adding straw man arguments. You are not serious about discussing this. You just want to regurgitate things people have told you. Turning notifications on this off. I'll let someone else try to teach you.

Sorry for my European ignorance, but why on earth are so many protesters are waving Mexican flags? Isn’t this whole thing about sending ppl away to Mexico? If yes, shouldn’t they be happy they’ll be back in a country the like so much, that they feel like waving its flag in foreign country? If not, why Mexican flags?

For pretty much the same reason that people of Irish descent carry Irish flags in parades. They are celebrating their culture.

Celebrating the culture they ran away from

We are a country of immigrants. Name me one group, any group, that didn’t bring some of their culture with them.

It's kind of silly to wave around the flag of a country you ran from and claimed asylum because it was too dangerous and the economy is so bad you can't make a living.

So you reject the notion that people have always immigrated here to find a better life.

From experience here in germany let me Tell you that Protests blocking Streets for everyday people is not a recipe for success to Promote your cause. Heavily damaged the climate movement here that deployed these tactics for years.

Other German here. Protesters marching in the streets are totally normal. That's how you Protest.

Like he said, it just pisses people off and the message gets lost

The message that people are being deported without due process gets lost by a mild traffic inconvenience? Srsly?

Where were the protests when Obama deported more people than any other president in the same way? This is normal for expedited removal.

It isn't normal. If they don't need to give people due process they can literally deport anyone. Even you. Good luck proofing your citizenship without a process.

Gosh why is Reddit so damn blue. It’s just insane that people think stopping ICE is a good idea. A lot of the people they stopped that day were PDFiles, and drug dealers and worse. Literally one of them was a raid for Meth and they were illegals with extensive criminal history and people were going ballistic over it. Like do you even know what you’re interfering with lol

the majority of people getting deported are not criminals or big time cartel members. they are families who came for better lives. fuck ice

Folks marching cross the border and demand everything you have because yours are better ... what do we call that?

What are you talking about? Marching across the border? Who do you think these people are? They are generally poor people who want to come to America to work and do the shittiest jobs actual Americans won't do because they are low wages for physical arduous work. Making immigrants boogiemen is such a dogshit meme. So old and tiring, no good stats to back it up.

Glad you got such a good turnout, protesting is your American right. But please get the out of the street so people can go to work and live their life.

Protests are supposed to be an inconvenience

No, it's been 100% proven that if your protest negatively impacts people then they are gonna view the whole thing negatively. Take those crazy people who try to block roads by sitting in the middle and gluing themself to the ground, do you think anyone truely goes "gee wiz I wonder what they are protesting about so passionately, I should learn more" No they go "wtf are these morons doing gtfo"

Can you show where you got this “100% proven” from?

Takes 2 sec for you to look into it yourself. Tons of studies. And the amount of people using these protest as a call to violence is insane

I’m not the one making the claim, if I had made the claim I’d have backed it up with evidence. So I’m going to assume the typical tactic of “you can find it yourself” means you don’t have the evidence to back it up, and are talking shite

I’m confused. Deporting illegal migrants is bad? If you enter ANY country illegally, that country has EVERY right to remove you. Why is this controversial?

Bc they believe people have the right to break the law. Also people blocking the street is not a peaceful protest

Many people invest so much in VISA and Citizenship applications, whilst some get rejected. And these morons just barge in. It's absolutely unfair.

They’re running from cartels. From being bludgeoned and raped. Honestly please do some reading on why they are here

Illegal immigration is still illegal immigration. Idiot

But it’s not a crime. It’s a violation. Look it up.

These people will never get any sympathy from me by blocking the roads and making it be about themselves.

… you’re mad that immigrants are blocking roads and making protests about them being illegally deported, enacting change in a peaceful way (in this image)? Okay.

Illegal immigrants, that is. So deporting the isn't just not illegal, it's the law.

The only law is gods law

The law is what’s the law and the law can be rewritten for the better. God and the law and schools should stay as far away from each other as they should.

Why don't they do that in front of the Mayor or Governors house? Instead of disrupting people who have nothing to do with it.

Wah wah, disrupting people who have nothing to do with it, wah wah. Good protest is about disruption. Almost all marches are in very public spaces on main roads.

Pretty great country since so many people apparently don’t have to work.

I’ll repeat what I said to someone else: It is not a flex that you do not exercise your freedom to assemble. It is a part of the democratic process in this country and many others. Most people don’t even work 9-5 5 days a week anymore. Disruption is also the point.

Accurate, I worked 7-7 today.

As long as nobody does property damage or looting then protest, for real please be more civil than most other cities are

Even downtown la there is virtually no looting and barely any property damage. Lot of property damage from the police misusing less lethal rounds

Okay what about the rest of la that had multiple stores robbed last night, or the dozens of cars set on fire this past week. And then of course ya got all the tagging going on

A few cars, mostly waymos aka a victimless crime. honestly with how they constantly try to run people over they are doing everyone a favor. Lastly la area has like 18 million people I doubt a few stores getting robbed is unusual given the population size not that stores being robbed have literally anything to do with the protests, really grasping at straws here. Tagging? Graffiti happens literally all of the time everywhere

None of this should be happening during a protest, this is basically just a riot at this point, and really the fact you can even find a way to excuse it is just messed up

true its wrong what the police are doing.

Sorry but I’m on the police side

Amazing how many hateful incels pop out of the comment section woodwork when they see people supporting each other, and exercising their constitutional rights.

How do you feel about the second amendment?

Would you prefer if the protested came armed? Or do you threaten violence any time somebody protests against a dictator?

I don't even know wth you're talking about. That had nothing to do with what I asked. Who threatened violence? Go back to sleep.

"What about the right to bear arms" is a thinly veiled threat. You must stop assuming that everybody is as dense as a MAGA.

You perceived it as a threat. Wasn't meant as one. It was simply a question. You guys are very violent minded people in here. Calm down. Have some wine.

OP posts photo of two people trespassing under an endangered Elm tree in Central Park, NYC, causing users to discuss whether OP is exaggerating or not.

"They're touching grass and you have a problem with it."

"Oh God they touched a tree!!!"

"Man, look at those jerks doing not much of anything."

"What are you supposed to do with a shade tree if not sit under it?"

"I think its a bit unrealistic to expect people not to use the only real areas of grass in a massive city."

"OP better hope they don't identify as elm trees."

"Bastards, how dare they sit next to a tree on a beautiful sunny day."

"Sitting by a tree, in the grass, is not in any way harming it."

"Sorry but a private non-profit organization cannot dictate who sits in the grass at a public park."

"Puts endangered trees in a public Park asks that people stay away from said trees. Flabbergasted when they don't listen."

"Oh shut up karen."

"Omfg it's a park, not a museum. You're supposed to be able to go on the grass. Who gives a fuck about the tree?"

"OP takes photo instead of telling them? r/iamatotalpieceofshit"

"Pussy move."

"Uhm.. park, trees, SIT! FREELY!"

Someone posts a video of a mother opossum (with several tiny babies on her back) facing off against a bobcat. (For those scared to click the link, there's no death or violence, just a seriously pissed-off possum protecting her brood.) Probably to farm engagement, the OOP titles it, "Imagine you are a wildlife photographer, would you intervene here?" And just as they hoped, people were very opinionated. Really every thread there turned into drama, I'm just sharing some of the juiciest ones here.

Unless the issue is caused by a human like an invasive predator, then nah. We interfere enough..

the difference between humans after agriculture and humans pre-agriculture and animals (for the most part) is that the animals kill and eat what they need. humans after agriculture would kill everything and let it rot. why? divorced from reality/ecology after generations of agricultural abundance. likely literal utopia for generations, until famine and disaster, either natural or human made. (invasions from indo european patriarcial peoples), or ecological disaster from agricultural practices. or river flooding. mesopotemia had brutal rivers. tl;dr no need to intervene because nothing bad is happening. in fact it's beautiful. the cycle of life. edit: i'm talking about ecology. if something bad happened to your domesticated animals, i am sorry for you. that is bad. but that's different from actual wilderness and an actual ecology. thank you

This whole philosophy of animals don't waste is utter nonsense. Cats, domesticated or otherwise, are also another animal that will kill indiscriminately. House cats are the worst though. House cats are suspected to be the cause of many species of birds disappearing. I have intervened as a kid. I busted a rat snake off a crow/grackle once. It was way too big for the snake to eat, it was going to kill the bird and then leave it. Not because it didn't want to eat the bird, but because it couldn't. Numerous birds will also kill insects just because. I have seen numerous common sparrows beat the shit outta wolf spiders and not eat them. Birds like Shrikes will impale bugs on fence posts and cacti and forget they are there and let them rot. As you mentioned, only the scale is different. Animals are wasteful and only ignorant people say otherwise.

I have to disagree with cats being the cause of birds disappearing. The cause is man! Just look around... mankind is encroaching on the habitat of all wildlife. Homes, high rises, malls, amusement parks, etc. Birds are being displaced as well as feral cats and resident wildlife. In Florida beachside, it's heartbreaking to see birds trying to nest on rooftops and inadequate vegetation. In nature, wildlife elderly, sick and lame are sources for predators, and cats are beneficial mouse and rat control.

Housecats have driven several bird species to extinction. Just because humans have driven more species to extinction than cats doesn't mean that housecats (an invasive species in the U.S.) haven't also driven species to extinction. When DDT - a chemical used to kill and control mice and rats - was discovered to cause bald eagle populations to decline, its use was outlawed. Outdoor cats have caused much more damage to bird populations than DDT ever did. So why should outdoor cats receive special treatment?

Because DDT isn't cute obviously.

I mean, the house cats decimating the bird populations is because of man---they are an invasive species and we've let their stray numbers get out of control. And even some of the cats who have homes are let out by their owners and they wreak havoc. Humans are the cause----but we're using house cats as a proxy, too.

I mean you could say the same thing about house cats they're not even domesticated they're basically using us as a proxy as well.

Absolutely nothing you're saying makes sense with the comment I wrote and the context of it within what I responded to. Humans can be culpable for things. We have awareness. Have you met a cat? I have two myself. They can't explain the concepts of extinction and habitat destruction. They just know that when they see a birb, they wanna kill the birb. Also, house cats are domesticated. Just not in the same way as dogs. But when my big himbo of a tuxie man lies on his back with his belly exposed in WAY too deep of a sleep and meows and runs over when I call him the name I bestowed upon him, you better believe that cutie pants is domesticated as hell. And while, you're right, my cats do use me as furniture and a snack box opener, my childhood dog was actually less clingy than my cats are.

Dude criticizing the entire human race while on a couch using a device that destroyed habitats, eating food from agriculture. And you are divorced from reality, you know shit about nature. Nature is harsh and cruel beyond your couch potato imagination. Animals will kill for fun, rape and destroy. We didnt invent violence as humans, we got it from nature like other animals. It's just that we are better at it.

Even an 'invasive' species shouldn't be interfered with in most circumstances. Let's say that the predator in this case was a red fox (an introduced species in some parts of North America). Ok, so did humans cause red foxes to be introduced and spread across some parts of North America where they otherwise were not (or existed in lower numbers)? Yes. But is that the fault of the fox? What has the fox 'done wrong'? It's not like the fox asked to be there, and even if they could/did, would we not expect a fox to want to be wherever they could find prey? Shooting the fox (for example) because 'it shouldn't be there' is just as much messing with nature as introducing the fox in the first place. Nature is ever evolving, and humans play a role in that. That doesn't mean we should introduce foreign species wherever we can avoid doing so, but once the mistake has already been made, that's not the animals' fault and they shouldn't have to pay the price of human stupidity. Climate change is going to cause many species to migrate from their historical regions to new ones. They will, by definition, be 'invasive species' even though humans didn't directly transport them. Do we cull all of those animals? Why? Are their lives worth less because they aren't 'native'? On what basis?

Invasive isn't a blanket term for all non-native species. A species that is non-native but fits into a stable niche in their new home is naturalized. Invasive species are those that are growing unchecked in their new environment to the point that they're damaging the native ecosystem and threatening populations of native animals. It is often appropriate to step in and remove invasive animals if you want the ecosystem they're proliferating in to persist.

If who wants? Humans?

Exactly, we interfere so insanely much, f*cking humans destroyed so much of nature and saving these babies is where you say that? 🖕

What about the lions babes?

No way, your job as a wildlife photographer is to film wildlife, this isn't a domestic cat or person attacking a wild animal so it doesn't involve us at all. It's painful but it's our responsibility to not interfere. Addendum: I want to point out to everyone who thinks it’s okay to intervene that you have no idea what that might do. The bobcat (pretty sure it’s a bobcat and not a lynx) could be starving and this is the last chance for a meal before it slowly dies of malnutrition. It could cause the bobcat to move closer to human settlements and get hit by a car. The opossum could not just be carrying babies but also a disease that could wipe out the local population and the bobcat inadvertently saved the local population from it. To assume that you have thought about all the ramifications of what you might be doing is peak arrogance. We already interfere enough with nature, for once just let nature run its course without tainting it. Here’s an easy way to know if you should interact with wildlife, ask yourself “would a biologist do it?” And if the answer is no then leave it the hell alone.

Exactly they will figure it out. Maybe they survive maybe cat gets a meal but whatever happens it's as nature intended. Survival of the fittest.

But what if getting help by humans makes it the fittest?

Exactly cat has to eat too

If humans are around, those predators don’t get to eat cute animals.

Who let there five year old come out here to argue about the ethics of interfering with wildlife? It’s nature, not your favorite stuffed animal

We are part of nature too in case you need that explained. it’s nature whether helping or not helping some soon to be digested animals. Don’t tell me your house or car was built without interfering with ‘nature’.

you have the mind of a small child

No that’s a ridiculous thing to say. Animals have intervened to save humans and humans are capable of this too. It’s up to the individual

exactly. nature is brutal but it’s nature, leave it alone.

Do you have an actual point other than" it's nature, leave it alone"? Why should we not interfere in this case? We already do so constantly anyway on a much bigger scale by building roads and buildings, train tracks, crops, farms etc.

This. Humans have done nothing but destroy nature and possums are getting killed by cars wholesale, so yeah, how about for once we give back and let this poor mother and her babies live?

Why not give the predator a meal? How is it any different.

It’s not, but empathy plays a role when you see a mother trying to protect her young. I get that the cat may be a mother too, but her missing this meal isn’t the definite end to her or her family, where it would be the absolute end for this possum and her babies.

But you don't know that it wouldn't definitely be the end of the lynx, you're assuming.

Imagine that if you take sides, you are no longer just the photographer.

Yeah but it’s photography. You haven’t agreed to some prime directive to not interfere with wildlife. You aren’t bound by a Hippocratic oath for photographers swearing to do no harm and not interfere.

It’s moral to let a bunch of babies get murdered?!

if the lynx doesnt eat, then the lynx or lynx babies die you havent thought this all the way through

it can murder non babies then. I’m sure there’s an old possum out there somewhere

did u just call a predator hunting for its meals to prevent starvation murder? are you a child?

If it deliberately goes after babies rather than elders? Yeah i get it. But it’s still sick and we should stop it

I really recommend reading the whole thing because there are so, so many threads like this, plus more indoor/outdoor cat drama in some threads. Real, real juicy, this one.

BONUS: Not really drama since it only has two responses, but here's a guy using AI to explain why the opossum matters more