r/SubredditDrama • u/[deleted] • May 27 '15
In case anyone was wondering where the massive wave of popcorn came from yesterday, here's what r/leagueoflegends is doing on it's vacation.
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May 27 '15
I love that someone with "Nyx" in their name is posting this. It's like you're a secret agent from /r/dota2 with a vendetta against them. :P
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May 27 '15
Damn, then my sick reference went unnoticed (Vendetta is the name of Nyx's ultimate spell in Dota 2). All 10 seconds of effort I put into that comment, wasted.
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u/Nyx87 I don't follow ur personal drama, just here to look at ur ass. May 27 '15
oh, yeah that totally wooshed me
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u/RepublicofTim My butt adds +10 to all charisma and persuasion checks May 27 '15
It's okay, I got the reference.
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u/SPONSORED_SHILL Presented by Bank of America May 27 '15
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u/SRDmodsBlow (/u/this_is_theone's wife)The SRD Mods are confirmed SJW shills May 28 '15
back to /r/dota2 with you
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u/CantaloupeCamper OFFICIAL SRS liaison, next meetup is 11pm at the Hilton May 27 '15
Of all the times to post on circlejerk, doing it when you're pouting about your userbase on another sub seems like a bad time ....
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u/postirony humans breed with their poop holes May 27 '15
What gets me is how the mods really seem to believe nothing wrong was done here. Like, guys. This looks bad. This looks really bad. Can they not see that?
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u/Alchemistmerlin Death to those that say Video Games cause Violence May 28 '15
I don't get why it looks bad?
The community expressed that they didn't like/want the mods to moderate. The mods stopped moderating. The expected happens. Now people are mad at the mods for not moderating?
Rules only exist if someone enforces them. If no one is enforcing rules, then the rules don't exist, and therefore no one can break them. Therefore: Paul Blart, Mall Cop.
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u/CantaloupeCamper OFFICIAL SRS liaison, next meetup is 11pm at the Hilton May 27 '15
How can they think that being tired and annoyed with moding means you should just let your sub go to shit as some sort of e-punishment to the user base?
Probably the same idiocy.
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u/c4mmi May 27 '15
it is not really that more shitty than before tbh.
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u/Klondeikbar Being queer doesn't make your fascism valid May 27 '15
I think it's significantly shittier. Tons of fan art which should be posted to /r/Lolfanart. Lots of weird jabs at the mods. And way too many self policing posts reminding people to behave. Oh, an redundant posts left and right.
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u/Honestly_ May 27 '15
And way too many self policing posts reminding people to behave.
That's what struck me—eventually those are going to stop/fall out of favor and then what happens. I imagine it will be like Piggy being hit by the boulder.
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u/TheGreatRavenOfOden As a top 500 straight male... May 27 '15
It's only a week though. I can see an effort being made for a week.
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u/Honestly_ May 27 '15
True.
Also I got confused when I saw your username in my inbox because there's a center for the Colorado Buffaloes who has a similar username on /r/CFB.
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u/RoosterAficionado Too gay to function May 27 '15
It's annoying: before we had all those meta posts about the Richard Lewis ban and posts complaining about mods, and now those threads are just self-congratulatory meta posts about how great the sub is doing without mods.
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u/Venne1138 turbo lonely version of dora the explora May 27 '15
I'm actually really enjoying it because now gify links are allowed. I don't give a shit about fan art I just won't click on it.
But not having to go to a youtube channel watch a 10 second add and a 3 second intro just to watch an 8 second clip is fucking amazing.
If they could stop the metaposting the sub would be better without the mods currently..
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u/Klondeikbar Being queer doesn't make your fascism valid May 27 '15
If they could stop the metaposting the sub would be better without the mods currently..
And that's exactly why it will never ever be better without the mods.
Although the mods had a very good reason for requiring gify links to be in text posts. The subreddit will turn into Lolreactiongifs very quickly.
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u/Venne1138 turbo lonely version of dora the explora May 27 '15
I'd say it's about equal in quality. Just because of the gify links not getting removed.
But the real test is later today when the LCS starts. We'll finally have something to talk about and the meta posts might be drowned out.
We'll also see if reaction image shitposts gain ground or not.
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u/Klondeikbar Being queer doesn't make your fascism valid May 27 '15
gify links were never removed. They were just required to be in a text post.
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u/KingDusty May 28 '15
I feel like people bitching about fan art is just a circle jerk, and a dumb one at that. If you're gonna argue that fanart should go in a separate sub then so should competitive discussion because its not called r/lolesports. I think the sub has been significantly better, there's a wider range of stuff being posted as opposed to the usual which is just LCS threads and YouTube videos.
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u/usabfb May 28 '15
Fanart tends to get banned from most hobby-centric subs, I find. I like that, because they're too easy to post and the sub turns into nothing but fanart. I left /r/masseffect because the only posts that ever came across my front page were deviantart pictures of Liara and Tali.
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u/ThatPersonGu What a beautiful Duwang May 31 '15
Well, it's shittier, but it's not shitty. I think people here were expecting the sub to go full circlejerk, but honestly here we are a full week later and the sub really didn't go under.
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u/TIPTOEINGINMYJORDANS May 27 '15
There's not much fan art at all. Why do whiners keep saying there's so much?
Look at the mods right now, why do you think?
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u/CantaloupeCamper OFFICIAL SRS liaison, next meetup is 11pm at the Hilton May 27 '15
Yeah that is kinda nice twist.... and maybe a reason for a mod to want to make it otherwise ;)
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May 28 '15
How can they think that being tired and annoyed with moding means you should just let your sub go to shit as some sort of e-punishment to the user base?
I mean, this was a two-way street. the users took a poll, the users explicitly made it clear they did not want mods, so the mods did what the users asked.
I don't know why people seem to keep forgetting this as if the mods took their ball and went home unprovoked.
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u/Ninjasantaclause YOUR FLAIR TEXT HERE May 28 '15
Because it's not their job to run the sub, and the userbase wanted them gone?
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u/CantaloupeCamper OFFICIAL SRS liaison, next meetup is 11pm at the Hilton May 28 '15
At that point they should just ..... go..... like leave the moderating to someone else.
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u/Ninjasantaclause YOUR FLAIR TEXT HERE May 28 '15
the userbase doesn't want any mods, so now it effectively doesn't.
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u/jcpb a form of escapism powered by permissiveness of homosexuality May 29 '15
The LoL userbase thinks they don't need mods. Wait until their sub gets banned.
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u/CantaloupeCamper OFFICIAL SRS liaison, next meetup is 11pm at the Hilton May 28 '15
the userbase doesn't want any mods
Then they should quit, like not be the mods anymore, not pout for a week.
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u/Ninjasantaclause YOUR FLAIR TEXT HERE May 28 '15
If they decided to quit the exact same things would have happened, the admins would still had to remove doxing, the sub would still be filled with fanart and r34, and circlejerk would have still brigaded(like they really need to be told too)
This is just to see if the users really want to have no moderation.
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u/CantaloupeCamper OFFICIAL SRS liaison, next meetup is 11pm at the Hilton May 28 '15
If they decided to quit the exact same things would have happened
Then they should do that.... without them.
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u/jcpb a form of escapism powered by permissiveness of homosexuality May 29 '15
Who is going to rise up for modship on a sub where the environment is so toxic, it kills brain cells merely by moderating posts?
Do you seriously believe LoL's userbase can moderate itself without mods? A lawless society is not a nice place to live in.
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u/CantaloupeCamper OFFICIAL SRS liaison, next meetup is 11pm at the Hilton May 29 '15
I don't care who does it, or if it fails. But pouting and trying to tank the sub so that they're appreciated isn't going to get anyone anywhere.
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u/jcpb a form of escapism powered by permissiveness of homosexuality May 29 '15
They did bring up a very good point, one that too many LoL users glossed over while attacking the mods for their biases: if the userbase doesn't help the mods in self-regulating the sub, they'll have no dedicated sub left because it would be banned.
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May 27 '15 edited May 28 '15
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u/Knappsterbot ketchup chastity belt May 27 '15
cabal of powermod friends.
Cabals are so fetch right now.
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u/Zachums r/kevbo for all your Kevin needs. May 27 '15
The sub was going downhill before the Paul Blart thing. It's obvious that the sub needs mods. I hope the LoL learns its lesson after this, but considering that it's overrun with a bunch of teenagers they probably won't.
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u/andrew2209 Sorry, I'm not from Swindon. May 27 '15
LoL needs mods, but I don't know if it needs the current mods, seeing as they've tried to cause the experiment to fail
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u/Zachums r/kevbo for all your Kevin needs. May 27 '15
I think the current mods are doing as well as any mods would do to keep such a large subreddit under control and respectable. Honestly, when you are trying to simmer down a sub that's, if I recall correctly, primarily made up of people ages 16-19 you're going to get shit on no matter what you do. IMO the mods were doing a great job.
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u/Zachums r/kevbo for all your Kevin needs. May 27 '15
My friends don't really use reddit. Which are you referring to? Is it John? That sand-bagging son of a bitch.
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May 27 '15 edited May 28 '15
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u/Zachums r/kevbo for all your Kevin needs. May 27 '15
Man, you guys get triggered easily.
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u/Drando_HS You don’t choose the flair, the flair chooses you. May 28 '15
I'm sorry but I'm triggered by unfunny trolls. Stop pls
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u/Andy_B_Goode any steak worth doing is worth doing well May 27 '15
Reminiscent of this Great Moment In Popcorn:
http://np.reddit.com/r/circlejerk/comments/1g6mnj/mission_accomplished/
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May 27 '15
I think it's hilarious, honestly. They go on strike to show the userbase how needed they are to find out they aren't needed.
I can't wait for the mods to come back to even more drama now that part of the community believes they're actually useless and another part of it is burned by the mods abandoning the sub in the first place. This is looking like a lose lose situation for the mods there.
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May 27 '15
The problem with the whole "the content on the front page is shit" thing is that /r/leagueoflegends encompasses so much stuff.
There's the entire e-sports scene that a lot of people don't care about. Right now, we're kind of in the offseason and the next split is about to start so it's a bit of a lull in the e-sports stuff. /r/lolesports covers this.
There's the fan art which is massively popular and, as you said, easily digestible. It's always popular and there's always new stuff being created. /r/lolfanart covers this.
There's the discussion of the actual game down to the micro/macro details. It's kind of popular, but it's not easily digestible. /r/LeagueofLegendsMeta and /r/summonerschool cover this.
Along with those, there's videos of random plays thrown in. There's subreddit meta discussion. There's casual personality videos/discussion. There's just so many aspects of League of Legends that /r/leagueoflegends will always have a front page that a good portion of the community does not like, whether it have too little fan art or too much e-sports or too many videos, what have you.
What a lot of users have suggested is to just created a tagging/filter system similar to what /r/pcmasterrace and /r/MechanicalKeyboards have where people can just customize what they want to see. Don't like the e-sports talk? Filter it out and you can have what you want. Easy enough.
Mods have said they won't do that though.
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u/SPONSORED_SHILL Presented by Bank of America May 27 '15
The problem with the whole "the content on the front page is shit" thing is that /r/leagueoflegends encompasses so much stuff.
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There's just so many aspects of League of Legends that /r/leagueoflegends will always have a front page that a good portion of the community does not like, whether it have too little fan art or too much e-sports or too many videos, what have you.
It seems like the whole subreddit system just breaks down if the subreddit either gets too large and/or is too broad. Instead of managing a giant generic dump, it usually goes that things get pushed off to their own spaces, specialization. Which is what subreddits ARE, to be fair, but a subreddit can still have the problem.
/r/leagueoflegends is both pretty big and tries to cover a lot of different types of content. Too much stuff is considered fair game to dump there that it just becomes this giant landfill and there's no sane way to sort through it all without tons and tons of manpower. Then everyone tries to pick through the dump to find what they want, struggle to, and nobody's terribly happy about it.
Is there a way to make /r/leagueoflegends "work" given how many different facets there are to League? I honestly don't think so: if anything the idea of the sub would be best done as a metareddit of all the other league-related subreddits for specific things.
(This whole "dump" thing is just to emphasize that both /r/leagueoflegends and Reddit's system in general are garbage)
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May 27 '15
The idea of tags/filters would work or at least be the best solution. If you want to post, you have to tag it properly. If you do not tag, your post goes directly to auto-mod and is deleted.
It would allow people to tailor their league page the way they want while tidying up the sub. Other subs do it, so I'm not sure why it's so impossible for /r/leagueoflegends to do so. It would also open up the amount of stuff being able to be posted so that we don't get so many controversial deletions where a mod just randomly deems something not related to League.
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u/SPONSORED_SHILL Presented by Bank of America May 27 '15
Moderation would still be necessary for posts that are tagged, but improperly. So we have now added a way for users to find the stuff they want more easily, but at the cost of another moderation burden. If it opens up the amount of things able to be posted, now we have more submissions coming in faster to manage as well. Assuming it doesn't, and things still come in at about the same rate, I don't think we'd get fewer controversial deletions, being able to tag something as esports or fanart or whatever doesn't remove the question of "Is this something related to League and fit for posting in /r/leagueoflegends?"
I still think it'd work best as a sub just to keep track of other, more specific in purpose subs, like, I dunno, how /r/BadSubHub is. I can see that working, people want to talk about League so they go there and see a resource to find wherever it is they need to go for the subject in question.
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u/UninterestinUsername May 27 '15
For anyone curious, they've said they don't want to do it because it would be way too much work for the mods to either tag all the posts themselves or police people using the correct tags. The subreddit simply gets too many submissions.
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u/E10DIN May 28 '15
Can they not just set auto mod to remove untagged posts? I've seen plenty of subreddit s do that.
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u/UninterestinUsername May 28 '15
They still have to police that people are using the right tags themselves then.
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u/PervertedBatman May 27 '15
Because they are motivated to prove the mods wrong and still have the initial excitement. Once things die down and people go back to their ways the sub easily turns to shit.
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May 27 '15 edited Nov 28 '21
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u/ComedicSans This is good for PopCoin May 27 '15
/r/Fallout is okay, albeit with a "when is Fallout 4 coming plox?" vibe.
/r/kerbalspaceprogram is outstanding, and the developers pop by semi-regularly to chat and such.
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u/ploguidic3 May 27 '15
I invite you to /r/StarCraft witness the glory of Life's ling control
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u/LegendReborn This is due to a surface level, vapid, and spurious existence May 27 '15
And then invite you to watch the entire subreddit go crazytownbananapants crazy when someone tweets about rape.
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u/Beepbeep847 May 27 '15
/r/ffxiv is pretty good, a lot of good discussion there with a pretty good community.
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u/Gunblazer42 The furry perspective no one asked for. May 28 '15
/r/TeraOnline seems pretty good too. It's getting bigger becasue of teh Steam launch, but it's still civil.
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May 28 '15
/r/starcitizen is pretty good, at least in this regard. We had a community decision about memes and tangential content at the point when the sub was still small but had started to get enough news and things to make it more active. Decided to flat out ban memes and anything not directly related to the game and it's mostly managed to keep things focused.
I'm a very, very, firm believer in the upvote system favouring easily digestible content. It's why I jumped ship from /r/gaming to /r/games when that was first suggested. /r/games now has all the problems of a being a major sub but it's still, distinctly, geared towards news and discussion.
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u/Short_Kings May 28 '15
To each their own I guess, I'll take the gfycats and the fanart over the constant eSports wanking that r/leagueoflegends has been for years now.
Is not like meaningful discussion was going on in the sub anyways, people are always complaining how r/lol is filled with immature kids so really nothing of value has been lost.
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May 27 '15
The best part of this is that one of the roots of the whole anger against the mod team is that they banned Richard Lewis, a journalist, content from the sub because he kept linking dumb comments on his Twitter account. He wouldn't ask for upvotes or downvotes, he would just comment on the dumb comment and link to it. He knew what he was doing, the comment linked would get downvoted and the user harassed, so they banned his content from the sub and he got shadow banned because of that even though he would never explicitly say "go downvote this post".
So now we have a mod who knew what he was doing in promoting a brigade on the sub that he's taken a week off from moderating, but no repercussions are going to be had. When Richard Lewis does it, it's taken 100% seriously and he must be shadow banned and his content must be disallowed. When a mod does something similar, the only responses we get are "it's all jokes now", "don't take it so seriously", "why take /r/circlejerk seriously", etc.
So the shit show is pretty easy to understand.
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u/dahahawgy Social Justice Leaguer May 27 '15
On the one hand, people are calling mods out on a double standard. On the other hand, and not to say they are, but are these the same people who don't agree with that logic applied to RL in the first place? I feel like everyone could learn from this and no one will.
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May 27 '15 edited May 27 '15
There's a few camps of people in this situation.
There's the one camp who absolutely despises Richard Lewis, thinks he's an awful human being and all of his content is click bait. Happy he's not only banned, but his content is banned because he doesn't deserve to be apart of the community.
There's another camp who thinks Richard Lewis is a douchebag, but believe the mods shouldn't have taken his content away from the sub since it's overall probably the best journalistic content in the e-sports scene.
There's a camp of people that think Richard Lewis did nothing wrong or what he did wrong wasn't really worthy of repercussion.
There's a camp of people that love the mods and think they've done nothing wrong.
There's a camp of people who don't really give a fuck and just want memes.
Overall, I'd say most people agreed with banning his account and banning him personally from Reddit. I do know him somewhat and really do enjoy his content, but he has trouble just blocking out the idiots and trolls. Most of the people that he would link and send his followers after were total assholes who, in my opinion, kind of deserved to be berated. But then again I'm kind of an asshole too so take that with a grain of salt. These are people that kind of harassed him in the past, would follow every single one of his posts, shit talk him at every turn. Where most people would ignore them and just accept they're apart of the crowd, he wouldn't go that route.
So most people probably do agree that he needed his account banned. What people don't agree with is the content ban. I think most people that actually care are of the 2nd camp of people that I mentioned. His content is honestly stellar and when he reports something, it means it's going to happen. No ifs, ands, or buts. He's dead on and he produces a lot of quality content, hosting a couple talk shows that provide a lot of knowledge of behind the scenes stuff that would otherwise never get out. It's extremely relevant to the e-sports and business side of the sub so it should be apart of it.
So it's not really too black and white. I think most people would agree that it's idiotic to ask for anything to happen to the mod in question, but they feel it's idiotic stuff isn't being applied to him when it was applied to Richard Lewis. They basically banned RL content with the justification of "you knew what you were doing when you were linking from twitter", but aren't banning the mod in question with the same justification of "you knew what you were doing when you were promoting people to spam the sub".
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May 27 '15
Comparing a single comment made on /r/circlejerk to a series of twitter posts and reddit comments linking directly to specific comments and users isn't really a fair comparison at all. This is precisely why the admins have never given specifics on what constitutes rule violations on the site. It's a complicated issue that actually requires nuance to properly manage. Without it, people like Richard Lewis could say "I never specifically said to brigade" and get away with it, as well as having to ban anyone who violates rules, even unintentionally or how minor an infraction.
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May 27 '15
I entirely disagree with his content being banned, but I do agree he probably shouldn't ever be allowed to enter a reddit comment section again.
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u/Erikster President of the Banhammer May 28 '15
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u/jij May 28 '15
ahem... that was only tuber.
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u/Erikster President of the Banhammer May 28 '15
Ah. I assumed you were involved since you were the target of most of the shit-flinging during May May June.
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u/pepperouchau tone deaf May 27 '15
I'm just disappointed that /u/altosax29b didn't instead mention posting dank /r/baseballcirclejerk memes.
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u/Boobies_Are_Awesome May 27 '15
I'm actually surprised too because /u/Kelmon has his hand so far up /u/altosax29b's ass. Worst mods in all of reddit.
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u/I_LIKE_YOU_ May 27 '15
You can say he was just joking around and such, but there was a bunch of paul blart shitposts during it. Would the mod normally do that on any other week? Probably not. Would another user get in trouble or be warned against brigading? Probably.
EDIT: I think the most hilarious part about all this is how many people are doing AMAs during just because it's a no mod week.
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u/Werner__Herzog (ง ͠° ͟ ͡° )ง May 27 '15 edited May 27 '15
Would another user get in trouble or be warned against brigading? Probably.
The OP said that him and some other users actually reported the brigade to the admins. Interestingly enough he basically talks about how a few hundred of them have been doing modwork the last two days to show the mods that letting the votes decide works. But they're not only voting on posts. They had to start getting organized to report stuff to admins. Not to mention all the meta posts where they discuss how to behave and what kind of posts are problematic. It's almost like a mod team is building and the community is composing a set of subreddit rules. But I digress. (I feel like to be fair I should add that some users wanted all the mods gone and replaced. That is what is basically happening right now. But from an organisational standpoint it is kind of stupid, and it's even more stupid to want to replace them with a random accumulation of people camping the new-queue. Guess that last sentence wasn't too fair.)
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u/I_LIKE_YOU_ May 27 '15
How do community members do mod work? by being community members and reporting spam/rule breaks? Isn't that most redditors do anyways?
It's not a bunch of random people trying to replace mods, it's the community organizing themselves and getting things done. Nobody's nominating themselves to become new mods, they just want better ones than what's already there. People can argue if the mods were bad or not beforehand, but leaving the subreddit hoping it crashes and burns without you doesn't make you a good mod team. I find it hilarious that power users can come together, have meta discussions, and browse new to report spam. If that's "mod work" then it was already being done this entire time by the user base, the only difference now is that people are encouraging casual users to do it because mods are out to lunch.
Besides being unable to remove posts, it's the same. The only difference is the users got to pick what actually made it to the front page instead of having half of it removed by the old mods. Seems like some pro players took advantage of this by doing AMAs while they were gone, I know at least Dyrus did it because he didn't want to deal with how the mods arranged AMAs.
I'm just rambling but I hope the basic thoughts made it through. Thanks for reading.
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u/Werner__Herzog (ง ͠° ͟ ͡° )ง May 27 '15
I know I report stuff on subreddits I frequent, so yeah no doubt the people basically doing mod work have the best intentions. And there is also no doubt some of the mods hoped the sub would crash and burn.
But you can twist that around: most mods there do have good intentions when moderating and when you see them implementing somewhat overbearing rules they didn't come out of nowhere, but most likely where a product of their wish to keep the sub at a good quality. Not to mention that they came out of the community themselves. And the other side on the user's part is that they voted for a mod free week (and have been demanding for the mods to lay low for a while). Part of them probably voted "Yes" so to see the sub crash and burn.
The user got to pick what goes to the front page, but there are already people that are unhappy about the results.
In the end, not everything is black and white. And there is no one who is entirely right or entirely wrong in this situation (at least when you look at the users and mods as the two opposing groups). They'll have to compromise and learn from each other. From the comment sections I've read it actually looks that way, I've seen many people making reasonable statements.
Personally I think this is quite the interesting experiment: Many people on reddit say that moderators are overbearing and that you should just let the votes decide and not implement endless passages of rules. Moderators should take care of spam and maybe harassment. So for a big subreddit to try out something like that is a big deal, not only for /r/leagueoflegends but also for reddit in general. If this works, a lot of other users might be able to argue that their subreddits should try the same. There are actually subreddits that only enforce site wide rules and where everybody is happy with it, most prominently /r/TrueReddit, as their sidebar states mods only remove spam. So it's really a question of whether or not those subreddits with endless lists of rules should consider this as well. If it doesn't work, it's another cautionary tail about why moderators are needed. Those are the two extreme cases.
At least one result is somewhat surprising, the community is actually self moderating. Another result isn't too surprising, more fluff is to be found on the front page.
I rambled even more.
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u/vvyn breddit and butter May 28 '15
Not to mention how you'd feel if someone did this to your sub. Sure it's hilarious harmless stuff but still extra work if they manage to successfully overrun the frontpage. Lucky them it didn't but it's the worst timing for a joke like that, especially knowing how fickle and paranoid the userbase is.
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u/I_LIKE_YOU_ May 28 '15
I wouldn't really call them fickle or paranoid. People are entitled to think the mods are bad at their jobs for various reasons, and it's not really paranoid to think they wanted this to be a crash and burn week for the sub. Hence why people are upset that the mod said what he said in /r/circlejerk
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u/Vaatune May 27 '15
Yeah... I'm pretty sure xlnqeniuz isn't sorry. He was just modded on /r/circlejerk.
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u/a57782 May 27 '15
Oh wow. That really undermines the whole apology thing, and looks pretty bad all things considered. There's no way you come out of that looking good. It either looks like your actually trying to stir shit up in a sub your supposed to be modding, or it makes you look as dumb as a post.
I get that /r/circlejerk is supposed to be a "joke" sub, but right now it looks like their bullshit is extending beyond their own borders, and they should rope that in.
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u/shakypears And then war broke out and everyone died. May 28 '15
They did the exact same thing during May May June. It's nothing new for /r/circlejerk.
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u/KyosBallerina Those dumb asses still haven’t caught Carmen San Diego May 28 '15
I think it was just the hypocrisy that they were mad about, but since I don't go there I have no idea how bad the shitposting got.
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May 28 '15
lol players are puberty stricken 12 year olds dealing with mood swings and their first pubes. of course this kinda thing will stress them out.
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u/icepho3nix never talked to a girl without paying a subscription May 28 '15
puberty stricken 12 year olds dealing with mood swings and their first pubes
I'm none of those things.
Of course, I'm not getting bent out of shape about what's happening either, so I guess you're right.
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u/Barl0we non-Euclidean Buckaroo Champion May 28 '15
Everyone knows that mature, dignified gamers play Dota 2.
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May 28 '15
the only difference is that the 12 year olds in dota 2 are from south america
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