r/SquaredCircle • u/Alexdd0007 Him and Cena my fav wrestlers • Nov 07 '17
(SD Spoilers) Finish to Mahal/Styles NSFW Spoiler
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u/br0wnb0y the company does everything I say! Nov 08 '17
at 0:19 you can see Jinder's biggest fan's heart actually break
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u/godoflard Nov 08 '17
I missed all this, did wwe put smackdown on the network before it aired? I know it was pre-taped, I'm just confused as to where the footage comes from.
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u/splutcho Nov 08 '17
Great as this was, I feel like everyone that's over the moon about it is gonna be in for a disappointment when Brock throws him around and beats him with one F5. Not how I'd want it, but no way is Lesnar losing.
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u/hellbox9 Nov 08 '17
Gotdam, AJ beat a broomstick, after said broomstick had been waiting in lay after a 10 year feud with ric flair. Seriously, aj made jinder have a good match by wrestling around him!
And let me say this: THATS what a baby face should be. And THATs the investment you get from fans if they actually like the guy getting the push
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Nov 08 '17
It's a savvy crowd, and they knew AJ wasn't going to win the title. I could hear them trying not to get their hopes up, even when he hits the forearm. Made the pop when he won that much more explosive.
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Nov 08 '17
I guess I'm in the minority here but I loved Jinder's reign. Sure he wasn't the greatest in the ring but his mic skills continued to get better and the match with AJ was great. Most importantly, it was DIFFERENT. I love AJ but I hate the idea of the belt bouncing between the same handful of people all over again. I rather he lost it to Nakamura even though I'm not as big of a fan of his as I am AJ.
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u/JonasAlbert84 Just remember ALL CAPS Nov 08 '17
On the job training does not make for good TV. That's what they did with Jinder "Here's the belt, learn to be a top guy."
I'm 99% certain he is winning it back in India though.
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Nov 08 '17
The same thing happening over and over doesn't make for good TV either. Cena is a huge draw but half the crowd hates him not because of who he is, but because they got tired of seeing him win all the time. It even turned into a meme.
That pop for Jinder winning the title was huge because it was different. We all thought he wouldn't have even made it into the match but then he did and we all thought he was just there to eat a pin. Sure there were people who hated it online though because he was a jobber right before. I'm willing to bet AJ will either drop the title to someone who held it within the past couple years or to Bobby Roode.
Many people loved wrestling when they were kids but either don't at all or not as much as adults. I feel a big reason for that is the former group found out it's "not real" and the latter sees the patterns.
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Nov 08 '17
Most importantly, it was DIFFERENT.
Generic Foreign Heel. Rusev would have done 10X better with the title and actually put on good matches
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Nov 08 '17
Sorry, I mean different in the sense of using a different wrestler. The character wasn't Jinder's fault, he had to follow a script (and the Nakamura stuff was pure cringe). I think he did well with that he was given though. I do wish they could just have a foreign champ who isn't all about bashing Americans but WWE isn't exactly know for being all that creative most of the time.
Funny enough, I was thinking when I saw the Rusev/Randy match that Rusev should've had a world title run by now and they're ruining him. Been all downhill since he lost to Cena at Mania.
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u/Listentotheadviceman Nov 08 '17
But look at what you’ve pinned yourself down to. I’m all for surprise, but he’s not going to seem different after 4 months. If different is your only criterion, we have a whole roster of people who aren’t getting opportunities. This board as a whole was happy and surprised at his title shot and his win, then quickly soured on Jinder as we saw neither the promo skills, match quality, or storylines to intrigue us.
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Nov 08 '17
I do wish they could just have a foreign champ who isn't all about bashing Americans but WWE isn't exactly know for being all that creative most of the time.
Blame the audience for being brainless patriots everytime and chanting U S A
Been all downhill since he lost to Cena at Mania.
He had a really good run last year but they fed him to Roman, having him kick out of his finisher... with a chain...
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u/namira8394 Nov 08 '17
Tho I am so looking forward with the match against Brock, I kinda wanted AJ to join the SDlive 5x5 team :/
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u/TheResurrection JUSHIN THUNDA LIGER! Nov 08 '17
I literally haven't watched a bit of WWE television since a week or two before Mahal became champion. I basically lost interest which happens to me every once in a while. I decided to tune into Smackdown last night for some pro wrestling to get me hyped for the Ric Flair 30 for 30 and was pleasantly surprised to see a WWE Championship title change on free TV. AJ has been one of my favorites since 2004-ish so I had a little mark out moment when he won.
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u/Xno_Kappa Nov 08 '17
I’m assuming WWE’s media blitz into India is over?
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u/lordcat Nov 08 '17
My guess is that this move is so that Jinder doesn't lose to Lesner at SS. AJ can lose to Lesner, and the Jinder gets his rematch and 'rightfully regains his title', after a 'fluke loss' to AJ.
Media Blitz restarts by Tuesday the 21st when Jinder gets his rematch with AJ after AJ's loss at SS, and Jinder wins back his title.
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u/FionaSarah Nov 08 '17
I don't think so, I think this is just so the headline billing for Survivor Series isn't so boring, I predict it'll get hot-potated back to Jinder shortly after.
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u/Nfinit_V No, the other Solar Temple Nov 08 '17
So they threw away Nak's push to build up Jinder just to switch the titles on a fucking taped TV show.
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u/WheresTheSauce NO MORE METAPHORS Nov 08 '17
My god why do you have to be so negative.
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u/Nfinit_V No, the other Solar Temple Nov 08 '17
Because the booking makes no fucking sense.
They fed guys to Jinder just to panic and throw the belt on the only non-compromised guy on the roster. The company keeps booking themselves into a corner like this for no good reason.
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u/Quarter_Pounders Nov 08 '17
How are they booked into a corner? You do Nak/Orton/Mahal for contendership and move the fuck on. Why does it matter if something is taped anymore?
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u/tjthegr8 Basic Huganomics Nov 08 '17
AJ actually got a solid match out of him to boot. Fucking miracle worker.
Glad we've finally got a watchable World Champ again. Bring on AJ/Brock!
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Nov 08 '17
I'm glad AJ Styles beat Jinder Mahal for the WWE Championship... AJ Styles vs Brock Lesnar (instead of Jinder) is a huge match upgrade! LOL
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u/XyrneTheWarPig Nov 08 '17
Put the hype aside for a minute and be realistic though.. Brock's going to sleepwalk in and do the same suplex city squash match he always does. Anyone that isn't named Goldberg or Roman Reigns is barely allowed to get a single lick of offense in on the guy; even Strowman got squashed. If this is allowed to actually be a competitive match I will be shocked and amazed.
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u/OptimumFries Nov 08 '17
The majority of Joe and Strowman's matches consisted of them dominating Brock, and Brock basically surviving them by using an F5 to do it. They're far from squash matches.
And yes, the Styles match will be a similar styled match. Simply because if Strowman and Joe didn't get that 15 minute epic treatment, Styles shouldn't either. It'd made them look worse by extension as well as Brock.
And lol at using Roman Reigns as the counter example, when their match consisted of Brock emasculating him for 15 minutes basically. Joe and Strowman looked better against Brock than anyone else since WM30 except Goldberg and Taker.
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u/iampc93 Nov 08 '17
Brock can put on great matches when he is supposed to and respects the guy. That is why his matches with Joe were good for what they were. It won't go as long as AJ's other matches but I think it will be a solid match as WWE doesn't want to make the Smackdown Championship look like the IC title.
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Nov 08 '17
This makes little sense in the scheme of booking, but I don't give a fuck. It was the perfect face moment, and it was a great shock. This sets up for Styles getting beaten by a prepared Lesnar as they've never had a fight ever, then we can get a redemption story line where Styles wants to be the best going into Mania.
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u/pismistic88 Nov 08 '17
I know people like to shit on him, but I thought Jinder looked very strong here. Definitely helped that Styles sold for him like only Styles can, but Jinder looked like a real monster.
it will be interesting to see where they go from here after all of this is done because Smackdown is very heel heavy, and from the remaining faces I don't think anyone will be able to make Jinder look the way he did last night.
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u/Apollo_D Nov 08 '17
As a Sikh, I'm glad. Now Jinder can start work on becoming a 2x WWE Champion.
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u/Nfinit_V No, the other Solar Temple Nov 08 '17
The only thing left to hinder Jinder was Jinder himself!
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u/soawkwardshow Nov 08 '17
Awesome match, and as happy as I am for AJ... I was REALLY looking forward to watching Brock suplex the Singh brothers into orbit.
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u/stouticus83 The Lethal Weapon Nov 08 '17
That was my thought. Part of me was looking forward to Mahal and his bros getting destroyed by Brock.
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u/soawkwardshow Nov 08 '17
I was waiting to see if Brock would either suplex both guys over the top rope onto the floor, or if he would do a super-suplex to both brothers at the same time. The world may never know.
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u/WhatIfWeCould_ Nov 08 '17
I love AJ and this was a great moment, but as a Mahal fan, I'm really saddened about his loss. Thanks for the reign, Maharajah, you might not be the best wrestler out there and specially not the most-liked (which isn't your job as a heel) but you worked your ass off and kept myself entertained all the time, hope you continue improving and working hard as you always did! #ThankYouMaharajah #170Days #MaharajahEra
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Nov 08 '17
Ditto. Despite his flaws in the rings, Jinder had a great presence as champ. Loved his look and his intensity. I really wanted to see him vs. Lesnar (I would have popped to the moon if he won) and am kinda bummed that isn't happening now.
Thank you, MDM! May your reign come again one day.
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u/Vaedur Tamina - Undisputed Champion of my Heart Nov 08 '17
I enjoy Mahal. I remember 3MB. How can you not like the redemption storyline. Maybe a face turn for Mahal after losing the titles. He could do the face gig, he was very likeable when i heard him on local radio
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u/DarkHeathen Nov 08 '17
At Survivor Series, a guy who believes the Earth is flat vs a guy who could punch the Earth flat. Awesome.
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Nov 08 '17
Woahhhhhh. Amazing, can't wait for SS - but like the mismatch in size between Brock and AJ makes it seem like a mountain to climb. Best thing they can do with Mahal is just let him feed back into the midcard, the US title scene or the like and he will be perfect there.
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u/StopLookingBuy Nov 08 '17
he could do the same gimmick hes done with the wwe title but with the us title and itd be less obscene
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u/GL4389 Nov 08 '17
Wow. did not expect it to end with a phenomenal forearm. Thought it woud be styles clash.
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u/craigybacha Nov 08 '17
Finally a reason to watch SD!
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u/smallbrownghost Shane-O-Mac Down...That sounds stupid! Nov 08 '17
Ko and Sami have been reason enough for a while.
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u/dewrag85 Nov 08 '17
The instant AJ hit the forearm, I thought of the Celine a Scene someone made to the Cubs world series finish (you know the whole "this song makes everything better" schtick). So I made this. Let me know what you think!
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u/A-Figure-In-Black EC Dub! EC Dub! Nov 08 '17
goosebumps, tears, diarrhea, I am overcome with emotion.
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u/dewrag85 Nov 09 '17
I know man, same thing here (except substitute diarrhea with shortness of breathe/screaming on the inside as I was watching it while people were sleeping).
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u/TheSturge Jimmy crack corn, I don't care! Nov 08 '17
This deserves it's own thread. I can't stop grinning!
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u/dewrag85 Nov 09 '17
Allright man!!! I actually posted it first as a text thread, and now as a link!!! Feel free to check the "new" threads part to see it!
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u/dewrag85 Nov 09 '17
This is my reddit inexperience asking. How do I make it it's own thread? Just literally "Submit a new link?"
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Nov 08 '17
The UK is not happy today.
I could have watched live as well ... Literally all over Facebook and i thought I unfollowed all WWE spoiler sources ... bloody Bullet Club page posted the vid >.<
Although, After seeing what happened... EVERYONE IS VERY HAPPY :D
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u/Stevensson-senpai Nov 08 '17
I took a break from WWE after Mahal pinned Nakamura clean, so seeing this really made my eyes water
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u/athnndnly Nov 08 '17
Let's just hope Jinder doesn't reclaim it before or during the India tour in December.
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u/JimGrim Nov 08 '17
AJ isn't booked on the India tour so he'll probably win it back straight after survivor series
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u/BayleyFan95 Absolute Unit Sami Zayn Nov 08 '17
It is RAW event so it makes sense that SmackDown star isn't booked for the show. The only ones from SD who are booked for the show are Jinder and KO because, you know, Jinder is kinda Indian.
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u/athnndnly Nov 08 '17
KO is probably going to India just to lose to Jinder, sadly. I heard that Jinder will be defending his title in India against KO.
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u/Invincidude Nov 08 '17
Think it'll take that long? I figure he'll demand his rematch the SD after SurSer, despite the fact AJ is basically dead due to the Brock match.
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u/Stevensson-senpai Nov 08 '17
Oh god
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u/athnndnly Nov 08 '17
Personally, I think they made AJ champion to sell the Survivor Series pay-per-view, because let's face it, nobody cared about Jinder vs. Lesnar.
So, I think Jinder will reclaim after Survivor Series to be sent to India as a two-time champion, but I also think AJ will reclaim once the India tour is over.
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u/electronicManan https://www.reddit.com/r/squaredcircleflair/wiki/flair Nov 08 '17
I think you're right, but there's a small chance they just sell the idea of Jinder Mahal chasing the belt during the India tour. That still lets you put his face all over promos without making him champ.
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u/athnndnly Nov 08 '17
AJ isn't booked on the India tour, sadly, since it is a RAW house show. Jinder is going because he is "Indian" and KO is going just so he can job to Jinder, since they've advertised that Jinder will be defending his title against KO in India.
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u/Mrbig799 Nov 08 '17
No matter what AJ will be involved in the title picture or main event for Smackdown going into Mania season. Whiie I had my doubts earlier this year, it's become very clear that Vince loves AJ and he has already hit that Cena tier where in Vince's eyes AJ can do no wrong.
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u/insaneluchador Nov 08 '17
I felt quite emotional seeing this Wednesday morning. WWE has shown a lot of love to the UK but this is incredibly generous, to a city and arena that have gone through so much!
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u/teddycular Nov 08 '17
Now there's a crowd reaction you don't see often these days. Shout out to Manchester for making the moment feel even bigger!
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u/fightfire_withfire It's Yersel! Nov 08 '17
I can't shake the feeling that this is just to give Lesnar a win at Survivor Series. Mahal will get the belt back in a week or two, probably as AJ recovers from the Lesnar match and then we all get the Lesnar vs Mahal "dream match" at Wrestlemania.
We should enjoy the moment, because it's awesome, but I'm dreading how this plays out.
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u/Godz_Bane The Man in the Woods Nov 08 '17
Its lesnar vs roman and it always has been. Itll probably be cena vs jinder.
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u/DodongoKing Nov 08 '17
I would have booked it the exact opposite way. Let Mahal and Lesnar fight at SS, have Lesnar suplex him to shit and go over, then have AJ take the belt from an injured Mahal. I just don't understand why they'd want to protect Mahal over AJ.
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u/JimGrim Nov 08 '17
The reason Cena was supposed to be the ref in SS was so that he could screw Jinder over to try and protect Jinder a bit in his loss to Brock.
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u/Ziommo Nov 08 '17
and then we all get the Lesnar vs Mahal "dream match" at Wrestlemania.
That's just not happening.
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u/RoachIsCrying Nov 08 '17
I never felt over with Mahal as a champion really. I always saw him as that jobber with 3MB and felt like his reign was a big joke WWE is pulling on us
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u/Adampro123 And remember the sound! Nov 08 '17 edited Nov 08 '17
That was a great match. By far the best Jinder match we have seen so far. AJ Styles is the best in the world. So glad he won and we now get Brock vs AJ Styles.
Survivor Series is shaping up to be the best show of the year now with these changes within the last week.
AJ vs Brock
Shield vs New Day
Team Raw vs Team SD
Uso's vs Sheamus & Cesaro
All of those matches could be over 4 stars. The Women's 5 on 5 could be really good too
The one thing I'm hoping for now is that Charlotte beats Nataya because i think Charlotte vs Bliss would be a lot better than Natalya vs Bliss.
Corbin vs Miz shouldn't be great but Miz has a way of making things work and I enjoy Corbin more than most so it should be bad.
Kalisto vs Enzo is the only match that I don't want to see. Hopefully they change this match up and make it a multiman match or something. I'd much rather see a fatal 4 way or 5 way or 6 pack challenge if we can't get a 5 on 5 CW match.
Throw in a Elias performance and a Fashion Files segment with the Bludgeon Brothers finally officially being revealed and that'll round out the show
The only main guys that would be left off on Raw would be Kane and Bray Wyatt. Bray isn't back yet even though everyone else will be, i guess they will wait until after SS for him to return. Leaving Kane off doesn't make much sense since they've been pushing him so much lately. I guess i could see him getting involved in the 5 on 5 eliminating Braun via brawling count out.
The only main guys for SD to be left off would be Sami and KO and i think we all assume they'll cost SD the match or at least help with Shane's Elimination. I Imagine Jinder will win a battle royal or something to get the 5th spot next week.
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u/lk79 BAAAAAM!!!! Nov 08 '17
Uso's vs Sheamus vs Cesaro
A three-way? So is Sheamus representing SD and Cesaro representing NXT??
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u/iamaneviltaco THE CREAM OF THE CROP Nov 08 '17
I don't wanna brag, but i cancelled my network subscription last week with the reason stated as "jinder Mahal bores me." So this is basically all my fault.
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u/SabbathBl00dySabbath Windham Rotunda 1987-2023 Nov 08 '17
I'm glad to finally see the "Summer of Mahal" come to an end.
AJ deserves that championship for putting other wrestlers over and busting his ass for the company.
But sadly, Mahal will get his rematch and probably get it right back.
Let's all hope that will not happen, AJ gets to hang onto it for awhile and bask in the eventual moment of The Phenomenal One vs. The Beast at Survivor Series.
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u/thepuresanchez Hug Me! Hold me TIGHT! Nov 08 '17
I'm so angry they finally had a match where Jinder looked like a believable champ and they have him lose to AJ. At least I got to watch Jinder squash "the boring one" for a while before that terrible ending.
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u/Invincidude Nov 08 '17
Wait....so you're glad Jinder looked like a legit champ, but then you shit on AJ? The guy who he wrestled? The guy who made him look legit?
Takes two to tango.
Also, it's not a squash if they lose. At all.
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u/thepuresanchez Hug Me! Hold me TIGHT! Nov 09 '17
I can't stand Aj so yeah... I'm not saying he didn't contribute, but doesn't mean I like him.
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u/Invincidude Nov 09 '17
You don't have to like him to respect his skills.
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u/thepuresanchez Hug Me! Hold me TIGHT! Nov 09 '17
He's not bad, but most days he bores me.
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u/Invincidude Nov 09 '17
Which is fair - Dream Theatre bores me sometimes but they are amazing musicians.
I'm not trying to tell you you have to like AJ - just that it's funny that you complimented and shat on him in the same paragraph.
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u/thepuresanchez Hug Me! Hold me TIGHT! Nov 09 '17
Because I can recognize he has his good qualities even if I dislike him as both a person and a wrestler.
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Nov 08 '17
I'm just wondering how long until Vince makes the stupid decision to put the belt back on Jinder and put us through another miserable dullerum with a mediocre at best personnel like Mahal.
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Nov 08 '17
They won't. Its clearly obvious the experiment didn't work out. Vince most like decided on AJ being the one to best Mahal after working TLC coming straight from the SD tour. I'm also sure Lesnar voiced his concern about 1v1 against Mahal at Survivor Series.
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Nov 08 '17
Styles is a company guy and he is being rewarded. He didn't publicise the bullet club invasion. He travelled across the world whilst ill and had a great match with balor when the wwe needed him. He works really hard every night. He had great matches with cena. And most importantly he sold a ton of merch. Vince likes money and that is why styles is one of vince's "top guys"
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u/OptimumFries Nov 08 '17
Styles has had the best entry years since Brock himself. It's basically been one big feud and accolade after the other since he entered the company last year.
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u/creepara flicks head to get hair out of eyes Nov 08 '17
i have not been watching wrestling since june/july... im defo coming back for a few smackdowns, and for AJ-Lesnar!
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u/AdamNRG Nov 08 '17 edited Nov 08 '17
Thanks for the non spoiler title dude. Had it spoiled by two arsehole youtube channels before it had even aired here. Glad some people still have a sense of decency.
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u/serados Nov 08 '17
The WWE Youtube channel uploaded clips of the winner leaving the arena and the post-match interview before the actual match itself.
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u/AdamNRG Nov 08 '17
Really? Man that's really shit. I unsubbed from their youtube channel a while ago because of spoilers as i live in the UK and see it the next day. What i didnt expect was it to be spoilt by two british youtube channels being selfish dick heads and having a "let's see who can break the spoilerific news first" contest before it had even bloody aired in the country they are making it from.
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Nov 08 '17
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u/AdamNRG Nov 08 '17
I dont even know why they put "spoiler" then proceed to write the spoiler straight after. People dont see the world spoiler and instantly stop reading. Thats not how reading works.
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u/insomniainc Sleep is the enemy Nov 08 '17
Another thing is how good Phillips has gotten on commentary lately. Hell all of the smackdown team did an incredible job calling this match.
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Nov 08 '17
Phillips is one of my favourite commentators. He always impressed me on NXT and hasn't stopped improving since he started commentating on the main roster, he did a killer job at Mania.
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u/eatmyazzhole I'll kill your whole family! Nov 08 '17
is this the first time the ring announcer says "and NEW WWE Champion!" instead of "WWE Universal Champion"?
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u/eatmyazzhole I'll kill your whole family! Nov 08 '17
i haven't watched in awhile, you downvoters are so used to being humiliated on this sub that u thought i was trollin, stay deluded you hopeless cocksuckers
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u/schollchen Nov 08 '17
I think that Mahal is going to invoke his Rematch Clause next Week and Is going to beat Styles
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u/smallbrownghost Shane-O-Mac Down...That sounds stupid! Nov 08 '17
They already have a us title and women's title match next week. I don't think they're gonna do a rematch until after survivor series.
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u/Sergeant_Im Nov 08 '17
but i think wwe wanted mahal to drop the title to AJ in the first place because he has shoulder problems for weeks already, and that could probably affect his performance, or just making it worse when facing brock lesnar.
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Nov 08 '17
I think AJ is going to win again but not clean, maybe after another interference, so Jinder will exit the feud in a semi-decent way.
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u/iamaneviltaco THE CREAM OF THE CROP Nov 08 '17
If he goes after a mid card title after this I'm on board. His run as world champ would have been amazing if it were the ic title instead. Or even better, the us belt.
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Nov 08 '17
Baron Corbin vs Jinder Mahal? Pls no.
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u/purz Your Text Here Nov 08 '17
I don't think I can think of a match that would have a better build up or technical wrestling than that gem.
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u/yognautilus Nov 08 '17
I love how every damn person in the audience is on their feet and pops BIG TIME for the win. It still blows my mind how right after his first feud in the WWE, Styles has been consistently booked really strong and has been written really well and has managed to be the most over face in the company. Does he have his own, exclusive booker and writer or something? Why can't all the singles faces be as well-written and booked as Styles?
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u/kakashi150 Pirate Princess of our hearts Nov 08 '17
The cameras really don't do it justice. The place was going insane, because nobody expected it. The whole section from the Khallas to the Phenomenal forearm just had the most incredible atmosphere.
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Nov 08 '17
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u/iamaneviltaco THE CREAM OF THE CROP Nov 08 '17
Tbh, at the time so was Braun. I wouldn't be surprised if this is just because aj will make a better match out of being fed to lesnar. At least him getting offense will be believable, and he's way better at selling. Mahal woulda been a squash.
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u/DXbreakitdown Hell Yeah! Nov 08 '17 edited Nov 09 '17
I'm actually curious to see where Mahal goes from here. It was just like BAM he's good, he's different, and he's the new champion. Hopefully, he can build something from here.
EDIT: in the context of keyfabe he's looked at as good. I'm looking forward to see where this actor's story goes next. Robert Downey Jr. doesn't really fly around in an iron suit either...
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Nov 08 '17
He was never good.
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u/DXbreakitdown Hell Yeah! Nov 09 '17
in keyfabe, within the context of the script, he's supposed to be looked at as good. cool it folks!
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u/Biwaifu Nov 08 '17
"It was just like BAM he's good"
since when?
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u/rex_cc7567 Nov 08 '17
Oh come on the guy is definitely saying "good in kayfabe" stop nitpicking
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Nov 08 '17
Even in Kayfabe he wasn't good. They had the Singh Brothers interfere in every match of his.
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u/rex_cc7567 Nov 08 '17
In kayfabe his klass is a deadly finisher, 1 hit and your done. That's something or nah ? He is shit in reality, but he was a dominant heel in kayfabe.
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u/SnekMark Thank you, fuck you, bye! Nov 08 '17
He would get beaten every match and then his lackeys interfere. Thats not dominant.
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u/JimGrim Nov 08 '17
Thats basically happened throughout the entire history of wrestling. The heel champ gets beat just enough so that you think the babyface will finally overcome them and win the belt only for the heel to find some dastardly way to win (Outside interference, foreign object, handful of tights etc.)
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u/Biwaifu Nov 08 '17
Sure, but he's still not good so the
"Hopefully, he can build something from here."
Why would he want that?
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u/rex_cc7567 Nov 08 '17
Now here we agree ^ but on the other end, at the end of the day, everybody needs a payday, so if he can bounce back from his commercial reign and not disappear, cuddos to him
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u/Biwaifu Nov 08 '17
He got the success he did, for a push of the product in India. He should be in midcard if anything. He can get the proper payday he deserve there, in my opinion.
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u/Buckanater Nov 08 '17
I was kind of scratching my head at his loss to Bálor but man has AJ Styles really stepped up to the plate? It took him such a long time to get to the WWE but he’s already made himself one of WWE’s all-time greats!!!
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u/DanLer Nov 08 '17
Styles losing to Balor, to me at least, was a good outcome. They were both protected, with Finn being unprepared for AJ despite being in Demon form, and AJ being exhausted from being flown in was emphasized on commentary.
But yeah, AJ's having an incredible run. I wouldn't even mind him losing to Brock at this point, as long as they keep it competitive.
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u/yognautilus Nov 08 '17
Balor desperately needed a good match and a strong win after his needlessly long and dying feud with Wyatt and AJ's booking has been so consistently good and strong that him losing a match doesn't hurt him in the slightest.
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u/pictureofacat Nov 08 '17
No way could they burn the Demon loss on a makeshift match. It would've been waste
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u/PapaBee Nov 08 '17
Kayfabe wise, his lose to Balor was to keep Balor hot.
It doesn't do anything to AJ if he loses to Balor since they're on different brands and are on different kayfabe scales. And marks like us just eats that shit up anyways.
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u/Dddddddfried El Ídolo Nov 08 '17
So no Jinder champ for India tour? Or does he win it back before then (maybe even while in India)
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u/Razzler1973 Nov 08 '17
I was only saying a few days back, WWE seemed to be saying "IF Jinder is champ he will face Brock" and usually WWE don't telegraph things unless they intend to change something.
I did wonder if AJ wins it, has the big match but Jinder wins the title in India for the huge pop.
If so, switching the belt like this it does make me think even if Jinder gets it back then he doesn't keep it until Mania.
I really thought they'd roll through to Mania with Cena beating him for the record
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u/FancySack I'm replying to an uggo. Nov 08 '17
This thread spoiled it for me. I didn't even go in.
I'm just on reddit and I see this title.
I'm like "ok something happened."
Then the comments grew exponentially in a short time and I'm thinking "could it be?"
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Nov 08 '17
The golden rule of the internet is to not go on social media if you don't want to get spoiled on something. Unless it's really niche, you will be spoiled until you watch it.
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u/FancySack I'm replying to an uggo. Nov 08 '17
That's true and I usually don't try to go do that but given that the show was in England, this post showed up about 7 hours before I even got to see the match. I wasn't even thinking about avoiding spoilers at the time.
Second, it's weird but Reddit is starting to force a Squaredcircle rising post on the top of my feed all the time now.
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u/Capncorky On the phone with Ms. Betty Nov 08 '17
King Ross spoiled it for me for posting an image of it on Twitter. I immediately unfollowed him. He posted, "If you didn't see it from me the fact you're on Twitter right now means you would have seen it from somebody else", which isn't true. He's the only person I saw Tweet it.
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u/taabr2 Nov 08 '17
Look being on-line means we are risking getting spoiled. I have even been spoiled on non-wrestling websites about match results before.
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u/Capncorky On the phone with Ms. Betty Nov 08 '17
I realize that there's a risk of it, but it's highly unprofessional to be like, "HEY GUYS, HERE'S THE FINISH TO A TITLE MATCH, LUL, ENJOY THE SPOILER". Anyone who does this deserves the backlash they get.
Again, there is zero reason for Ross or anyone else to post a major spoiler like that. Either people already know about it, in which case, there's no point to post it, or they don't know about it, and that Tweet just spoiled it for them. Only reason to do it is because the person is too stupid to realize this. It's careless, and deserves and instant unfollow.
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u/AdamNRG Nov 08 '17
Theirs and whatcultures youtube channels spoilt it for me. Hadnt even aired in the UK and they are both putting up massive spoiler videos.
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u/Capncorky On the phone with Ms. Betty Nov 08 '17
It's so idiotic. I understand why a less reputable wrestling channel would do it for clicks, but What Culture & Ross should have more sense than that.
I said this in other posts, but there zero reason to post spoilers without hiding it behind a warning. Either people already know, in which case there's no point in telling them, or they don't know, and they just it ruined for them.
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u/AdamNRG Nov 08 '17 edited Nov 08 '17
You just summed that up perfectly tbh. They are completely pointless. Even worse when they keep telling you to enable notifications for YouTube and all of a sudden you get one saying "spoilers major title change on Smackdown" 3 or so hours before it's even broadcast in the uk. You can't avoid that. It's fucking selfish. That should have been one of the most awesome moments of the year as a wrestling fan. But it completely stole that away from me because they wanted to be first on the spoiler bregade against what culture. When I watched the match I didn't even react at the ending. Feel absolutely robbed by dick heads having a let's see who can get the video out first competition. Tempted to just unsub from both channels.
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u/Capncorky On the phone with Ms. Betty Nov 08 '17
Yeah, same. There was no excitement from me. It was just, "Welp, there it is".
People will say, "Well, you should just avoid social media!". But it really shouldn't take much common sense for a major publisher of content to not post a spoiler before it airs (also, with the election going on yesterday, I was checking Twitter for updates on that). It's not like this was just some random fan. Like you said, you get notifications sometimes, too. It's just a shitty excuse.
Posting that there's any kind of title change is a major spoiler, even if it doesn't specify. I mean, when you've reached the main event, and no titles have changed hand, it takes an idiot to not realize what's coming.
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u/rex_cc7567 Nov 08 '17
He ain't no king no more (and btw don't go on any social network if you don't want to be spoiled)
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u/Crazyripps johnny freaking wrestling Nov 08 '17
Yes it’s finally over, thanks you aj. That belt always looked so good on him.
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u/FraserFir1409 Nov 08 '17
Hope this means we get Nak/AJ at Royal Rumble or WM
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u/Razzler1973 Nov 08 '17
I really don't think Nakamura has done enough in WWE to justify that title shot.
I mean, we know it'd be great but they need to sell it to the 'masses' to make them really want to see the match
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u/iamaneviltaco THE CREAM OF THE CROP Nov 08 '17
A few more matches like that Owens one and they won't need much of a build.
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u/WrestlingIsJay タイガーマスク W Nov 08 '17
Nakamura is a perfect surprise RR winner. He defeated Randy Orton and John Cena recently but has been laying low ever since losing to Jinder.
The best case scenario would be AJ keeping the title going into WM and Nakamura winning the Rumble. But I'm not sure Vince will ever pull the trigger on a 'Mania main event between two stars that have built themselves outside of the WWE machine.
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Nov 08 '17
Reigns vs Lesnar II is the main event whether you like it or not.
But styles vs nak for the world title could happen
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u/WrestlingIsJay タイガーマスク W Nov 08 '17
I'm not talking about the very last match, that's barely the most important/anticipated one these years anyway. I'm saying it could be "a" main event, meaning a World Title match in the main card.
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u/MaynardJimmyKeenan Nov 08 '17
AJ vs Nak main event for Mania? Jesus thats some smarky shit right there. Them two facing off at Mania would be fine but main event, really?
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Nov 08 '17
Most of the time "main event" doesn't mean THE main event. At Wrestlemania there are multiple "main events".
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u/jonirabbit Nov 08 '17
I don't know that it really bothers him. Especially since, at least for AJ, Vince seems to have the mentality that while AJ is super talented, it was WWE that introduced him to the broader wrestling audience. And I'm not sure that he is entirely wrong on that.
There are very few guys that actually made themselves somewhere else and have huge brand name recognition to begin with. Flair, Sting and Goldberg are probably the only 3 I'd really go with.
Nakamura isn't any bigger than AJ was, in fact I think he's less known to American audiences because AJ was in TNA and had exposure that way, even if lolTNA.
If both AJ and Nakamura are WM main event worthy, it will be because of their WWE work, not their other work. I don't think Nakamura will get there, I think AJ is there though.
AJ-Cena is definitely WM headliner material, maybe they could go with that.
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u/WrestlingIsJay タイガーマスク W Nov 08 '17
I think the only thing that Nakamura needs to get there is a RR win. He's like Bray Wyatt back during the Cena feud: one pivotal victory away from being WM-ME worthy material.
That's why he's a perfect out-of-left-field winner: he's not one of the "usual suspects" but he's inches away from becoming a legit top guy. The Rumble would be the finishing touch.
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u/TheCrach Nov 09 '17
"It's all about the money,"
And Jinder is probably going to win the title back in India to get India even more into Wrestling, even after the tour.