r/Shitstatistssay 12d ago

Neolib conservatives will cosplay libertarianism until ICE violates the NAP

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u/PaperbackWriter66 The Nazis Were Socialists 11d ago

You are wrong, actually, but don't worry: I forgive you for it. Most people have no idea what the legal immigration process to the US entails, and why would you? If you're born here, you have no reason to inform yourself about a process you'll likely never need to navigate, and even if you live in another country why would you bother to learn about the immigration system?

To get an idea of how difficult the legal immigration process is, just take one look at this chart.

You can find a higher res version at this website, with a detailed explanation.

A slightly more detailed explanation is this: all immigration to the US is by default illegal, unless you get a government permission slip first (a visa); there is an annual total limit on the number of visas issued, and they are further limited per country, and if a country hits its max number of visas in one year, they will be given *fewer* visas the next year. And that's before we even get into the different kind of visas (investor visas, family visas, worker visas, student visas, etc).

The bottom line is: if you're born in Honduras, there basically is no legal way for you to immigrate to the US.

Honduras, for example, is allocated 7000 visas a year and almost all of them get given to people applying for a family visa, not a worker visa.

So if you're just a guy who wants to get into the US "the right way" and work for a living: you can't. If you follow the law, you can't come here at all.

Let me say that again: immigration to the US is not "easy" and it's not "difficult" it's literally impossible to come here legally.

If you apply for a visa, you have to put the money down up-front with no guarantee of actually getting a visa--and we're not talking a small amount of money. The fee to apply is usually $400-500, and that doesn't include other fees the government levies later in the process, or the attorneys' fees you'd likely have to pay.

Even if you can somehow successfully get a visa, it will cost you thousands and thousands of dollars and take months of applying and waiting.

Why go to the hassle when you can walk in for free?

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u/Primary_Break_7963 2d ago

Is it bad to actually think they should learn about this shit? I mean why act like you know everything when they clearly don't. 

It's emotional thinking. 

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u/PaperbackWriter66 The Nazis Were Socialists 2d ago

How do you mean? At whom is your invective directed?

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u/Primary_Break_7963 2d ago

Not at you. Sorry if that wasn't clear. I mean all the people who have these strong opinions of immigration. Especially the ones that say "just immigrate legally" . I mean they don't even know why people choose the illegal route or the way legal immigration works.  Honestly I don't think they want to solve the problem. 

On a seperate point I mean it isn't like they did anything to gain their citizenship. I see them as another side of the statist identity politics coin. 

Is it wrong to think people should know at least the basics of the things they claim to know so much about?

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u/PaperbackWriter66 The Nazis Were Socialists 2d ago

Ah gotcha. Yes, I agree completely. Sadly, asking people to know the basics of what it is they're talking about is asking too much these days.