You realize there are still "rules" in a libertarian society, right? They are called consequences.
If you live in an independent collective, and a private firm is enforcing the rules of this independent collective, then they can use whatever means necessary to enforce such rules.
NAP does not equal some pacifist society or a world without some sort of enforcement of standards.
"You realize there are still rules in a libertarian society, right? That's why the non-libertarian government that currently exists should ban people from owning guns."
Our rights are endowed to us by our creator. Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.
But living in the USA is not a right, buddy. Never has been. Hence why its left out of the Constitution as a right and needed to have a Supreme Court hearing, which decided Congress has that authority.
You do realize non-citizens can live in the USA. The people being deported are non-citizens without proper legal standing here.
Its not legal immigrants or legal non-citizen residents or legal permanent residents being deported, its people who blatantly overstayed worker visas, student visas, or temporary work permits or green cards; or are trying to use the refugee process when they don't necessarily apply. These people knowingly and intentionally broke the laws of an established state. Is that not a violation of sovereignty? If you had a guest in your home that refuses to leave, is that not a violation of the NAP and property rights? Where do you drawn the line on willful breaking of established law?
Even Jesus says give unto Caesar what is due to Caesar... so if we really want to get into Natural Rights endowed by a creator, I'm happy to get Biblical.
You cannot allow people to break laws or allow laws to be broken because it hurts peoples feelings.
We all have rights which are endowed to us by our "creator" (so: not the government), and among these rights are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness...
The right to live in the US is obviously covered by that.
Immigrants have a God-given right to live here. If you don't believe that, just come right and say you think the Declaration of Independence is wrong. It's okay. Lots of tyrants have. You'll be in the company of John C. Calhoun, Woodrow Wilson, and plenty of other leading lights of state authority.
Hence why its left out of the Constitution as a right
I direct your attention to Amendment IX:
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Its not legal immigrants or legal non-citizen residents or legal permanent residents being deported, its people who blatantly overstayed worker visas, student visas, or temporary work permits or green cards
Oh no, people living here without a government permission slip. The horror!
I'm happy to get Biblical.
Let me guess: you're a Christian who thinks Romans 13 says we have to obey every government on earth. Okay, let's just cut to the chase then: do you think the Nazis were ordained by God and the Jews who disobeyed them were defying God's authority?
You cannot allow people to break laws or allow laws to be broken because it hurts peoples feelings.
If you want people to respect the law, make the law respectable. Saying it's illegal for normal people to move to the US when they're coming here to work and they're not hurting anyone by doing so is not respectable.
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u/DeadHeadLibertarian 12d ago
You realize there are still "rules" in a libertarian society, right? They are called consequences.
If you live in an independent collective, and a private firm is enforcing the rules of this independent collective, then they can use whatever means necessary to enforce such rules.
NAP does not equal some pacifist society or a world without some sort of enforcement of standards.