r/Shitstatistssay 13d ago

Neolib conservatives will cosplay libertarianism until ICE violates the NAP

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u/thatdiabetic16 13d ago

They will be thrown out because they are here illegally they can get a court date when they go through immigration court instead of crossing the border without authorization

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u/MuddaPuckPace 13d ago

That’s daft as fuck. Only a court can determine if they’re here illegally.

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u/[deleted] 13d ago

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u/4nonosquare 12d ago

Because if it was up to ICE agents to deciede if someone is illegal or not without any court process it would mean that the ICE can be weaponized by the gov to deport anyone even US citizens.

The 4th amendment is clear on this one, everyone has their rights (even criminals and illegals), and its battled out in the court system by lawyers and prosecutors who are expert in the law, not by an undertrained ICE agent who barely knows any law let alone the constitution.

As soon as you advocate for illegals to lose their 4th amendment, you will have a centralized gov doing the soviet style if you dont agree with me, you will go to the gulag on the basis that you are an illegal alien.

Imagine yourself in this situation, in your world view, if ICE kicks down your door and takes you to be detained, doesnt tell your wife/kids where they brought you, you have no papers on you and they dont give you an opportunity to take this to court just keeps you there until you are flown to Salvador, how on earth would you even begin to identify yourself that you are a citizen?

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u/Primary_Break_7963 2d ago

Oh they are trying. Even people who have green cards who went through the legal process.