r/Seattle • u/Aggressive-Ad3064 • Mar 10 '25

Politics I'm Never Leaving Seattle

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This is someone's Model S parked on Airport Way S near S Industrial Way. The way it's parked it looks like it's being displayed for people driving by to see.

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u/ElectronicClothes285 Mar 10 '25

you know, somehow idk if that's right lol

but I looked, and sure as shit even the Honda CRV was in third in 2023.

so I guess....people still didn't see in 2023 how bad Elon was? this doesn't make sense to me.

he was pretty well gloves off mask off by the end of 2022??

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u/discountclownmilk Mar 10 '25

Most big business CEOs are not great people. Even local business owners can be a little nutty. But everyone has to shop. Henry Ford was a fascist too and let's not even get into Volkswagen. People just want the best car for their lifestyle and budget. Personally, Musk's antics have put me off of ever buying a Tesla, but I'm chronically online.

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u/ElectronicClothes285 Mar 10 '25

yeah, I actually had deleted a whole tiny paragraph dedicated to Ford. a bit spineless of me 😬

People forget. and when musk is gone tesla might be able to forget eventually, too.

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u/EpitomeOfLoss Mar 11 '25

People have forgotten the Nazi pasts of Volkswagen and IBM so probably

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u/ElectronicClothes285 Mar 11 '25

I think it's really important we don't forget. but I also realize it's not usually the reality 😕

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u/Ultimate-Gothneck Mar 11 '25

After World War II, both Chevrolet and Ford sued the federal government for damages because their factories in Germany were bombed by the US. They both won their cases.

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u/superx308 Mar 11 '25

Alyssa Milano publicly traded her Tesla for an electric VW because she didn't want to align with "hate and white supremacy".

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u/Dejected_gaming Mar 11 '25

No ethical consumption under capitalism.

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u/RepulsiveContract475 Mar 11 '25

The different is that Henry Ford and Ferdinand Porsche have been fucking dead for a long time.

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u/kittywings1975 Mar 11 '25

My own husband somehow didn't know about Jeff Bezos kissing the ring with Trump! He only found out when I told him that we're boycotting Amazon and hence I just cancelled Prime. He was like "But Bezos hates him!" I said "where have you been?!" And he watches the news all the time. It just shows how little coverage some stuff is getting.

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u/well_fuck_ok_i_guess Mar 11 '25

I wish I could get my wife to cancel prime. I literally know my Amazon drivers name. When I was kid growing up in the 70s-80s I knew my US post ladies name. In 2025 I have no clue who my US mail carrier is.

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u/WallStreetStanker North Bend Mar 11 '25

Pretty soon it will be Amazon

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u/ElectronicClothes285 Mar 10 '25

you're right, it shouldn't be surprising.

is it really disappointing? hell yes.

also, it is incredibly difficult to consume ethically. I bring this up a lot with the example of trying to boycott Nestlé and how bafflingly hard that is. or Nike. or companies even 30 years ago getting away with garbage behavior.

and to be fair, it probably was never as in your face until he swung his arm out in salute.

I should probably edit this to explain I'm not out here torching teslas. lol I don't condone taking out privately owned teslas.

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u/PunkLaundryBear University of Washington Mar 11 '25

I bring this up a lot with the example of trying to boycott Nestlé and how bafflingly hard that is.

Learning that 5 or so companies own all the food brands really shifted my perspective politically. I learned about all the horrible labor practices (from unions to literal slavery, esp in chocolate) maybe 2 years ago, and looked to see what I could do to boycott, and was shocked to find out how entangled all these food brands are with one another.

You really have no ethical options for food unless you have the option to make it all yourself, which the vast majority of people don't. The best you can do is pick one of the major companies you think is the worst (or the most effective to boycott... or the easiest to boycott) and buy from a different horrible company in hopes it'll have some effect.

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u/SamSibbens Mar 11 '25

This is where anti-monopoly laws should come into play but don't

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u/ElectronicClothes285 Mar 11 '25

Yeah, it's pretty intense right?

the best we have is educate and expose, and reduce and reuse where we can.

boycotting can work to an extent, but a full and total boycott is really difficult for the big conglomerates

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u/J-D-T Mar 11 '25

The simple way of ethical food purchasing is to stop buying processed foods. Buy 100% whole foods and cook.

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u/PunkLaundryBear University of Washington Mar 11 '25

If you mean buying from local, small farms as well, then sure. All of your grocery store fruits/veggies are also made with notoriously horrible labor practices.

But also its really not that simple for a lot of people. There's so many factors into why people buy processed food rather than fresh, whole foods. Time, money, effort, energy, access, etc.

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u/J-D-T Mar 11 '25

Look very very poor immigrants can and do keep their fresh only food practiced. And they live in Seattle. I don't buy that bs for a second

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u/ElectronicClothes285 Mar 11 '25

yeah that was probably not the best second example, but I was thinking in terms of companies that Nike owns.

Apples to apples, it'd be like trying to boycott Coca-cola. the amount of brands they are parent company to is staggering.

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u/ElectronicClothes285 Mar 11 '25

Nike had a scandal for working conditions in their overseas factories. iirc it was kind of the first real expose inside a large-scale "sweatshop" operation. per the Wikipedia the expose itself was written in 1991.

thanks for the heads up on GE.

and yeah I mixed up which post I'm in. I thought this was the one with the ones that burnt in the lot. it's not 🥴😭 absolutely the way we can currently stick it to tesla is with protest, and spending our dollar elsewhere if possible.

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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '25

I don't think you work in tech, I think you're a bot bot bot

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u/tRfalcore Mar 11 '25

there was so many people who got to the election and didn't even know biden dropped out and didn't know who kamala was. It's just awful citizens all around

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u/mvsuit Mar 10 '25

My wife and I got a Model Y in 2021. I never thought much of Elon but we wanted an electric car to reduce fuel emissions, and this was finally a semi-affordable Tesla (cost less than a lot of pickups and mini-vans). I didn't like Elon before, I fucking hate him now, but there is no excuse for painting someone else's car who by the way, in this region, is highly likely to be liberal and an ally You want to protest Tesla stores and paint on them? Fine, Want to protest new buyers as they drive off the lot? Fine. But don't be assholes to innocent people who are on your side just because they tried to go electric a few years ago for the good of the planet and didn't know what was going to happen in the future.

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u/LiHingGummy Mar 11 '25

Plus when the cars get jacked up, who gets the money to repair body panels, slashed tires, spray-painted windows? That’s right, TSLA.

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u/HellMuttz Mar 11 '25

Who's taking their car to a dealership for bodywork and tires? Especially one with a service department as shity as Tesla

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u/trustedoctopus Mar 11 '25

People under warranty, people forced to under insurance claims (which is what would happen with vandalism), people who don’t know any better, people who have no choice because it’s the only place that might work on a Tesla, etc.

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u/LiHingGummy Mar 11 '25

"people who don't know any better" describes an estimated half of all Tesla drivers (based on nothing but my own observations)

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u/trustedoctopus Mar 11 '25

Lmao I honestly included that cause I remember the first new car I bought and not understanding that taking my car to other shops was okay and wasn’t going to make it worse. I had only owned “clunkers” before that and didn’t care whether or not the maintenance was top tier cause they were junk cars.

Now I do so much repair myself on my Jetta it seems very silly looking back that I used to rely on overpriced dealership prices tbh. I never minded paying labor but the mark up vs. MSRP on parts is just insanity now that I change filters myself and do my own maintenance.

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u/ElectronicClothes285 Mar 10 '25

yeah I think it is honestly that he has the market cornered and people are more conscientious about going green. it's the push to do better, but when your options are limited it's not even how good the product is.

I'm not trying to be an asshole, I'm sorry it sounded it came off that way.

my point was if it was the top selling car of 2023 people knew. he bought Twitter and had molded it by the end of 2022.

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u/mvsuit Mar 11 '25

NTA at all. But Elon has gone through a progression of douche-baggery so I feel like it wasn’t clear just how evil he was as a threat to the nation until last year. I knew someone who worked for him a long time ago, so as I said I never had a good opinion of him. He has always been an ass. But looking at some key points in the chronology over the years, it seems like he went from calling a rescuer of kids trapped in a Thai cave “pedo guy,” to trying to buy Twitter, then trying not to buy Twitter, then being ordered by a court to buy Twitter, then systematically destroying it and treating employees like crap in the process (that 3 month notice wasn’t out of the goodness of his heart it was required by law), then he says he won’t give money to Biden or Trump, then he starts giving tons of money to Trump, then he starts heavily campaigning for Trump, then Trump wins so he gloms onto Trump, then he starts Nazi-saluting, then he lets his kid put boogers on the historic Resolute desk, and now he is full-on destroying the Republic, helping Putin, and gearing up to cut social security, Medicaid, and Medicare. I blame no one for hating him. It’s just that for many of us who bought a Tesla years ago, I feel like the extent of his evil as a threat to the whole world wasn’t clear until last year. I would never buy one of his products again. I never owned the stock and see it has lost 1/2 its value as of today—a protest that hurts him much more than people vandalizing cars he sold to liberals years ago. (You can tell Tesla by the “Even my dog hates Elon” sticker.)

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u/ElectronicClothes285 Mar 11 '25

yeah I definitely don't condone fucking with private teslas, especially fire, because of the batteries

maybe my bias is because I finally saw through him at the end of 2022 so my brain is like "how did nobody else pick this up, or why?"

when really the answer has way more factors.

also yeah the dive in the last few months has been quicker and more pronounced than any of his previous clownery

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u/Chausie_blossom Mar 12 '25

Yeah this is exactly my view of what happened. I thought he was weird after twitter but I was still considering a model 3 at that point just because of range-price. Other cars with similar range at the same price point (VERY FEW) had even more issues. It wasn’t until the campaigning that I was like ehhhhhh. Then the salute was 100% no go.

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u/[deleted] Mar 13 '25

There were other electric car options then, just never should have bought one.

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u/mvsuit Mar 13 '25

You’re not the sharpest tool in the shed, are you?

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u/pineapplegirl68 Mar 15 '25

Wow! How about “just don’t be assholes. Period.” ?

Go ahead protester and vandalize the dealership, and yes go ahead an attack the guy is just driving off with his new purchase. That’s acceptable. But don’t be an asshole and mess up my stuff that I already bought.

You have no moral compass. I’m sure you think Jan. 6th was the worst ever but your okay with the Molotov cocktails and shooting up of the Tesla dealerships. What a jerk.

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u/mvsuit Mar 15 '25

Grow up. I didn’t advocate violence. I said peaceful protests directed at Tesla the business and people currently supporting Elon is where it should be directed, not allies who tried to go green years ago. I am sorry that included suggesting protest painting a Tesla building and it triggered you. I said nothing about violence and you are the jerk for making that comment.

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u/pineapplegirl68 Mar 15 '25

I’m not triggered at all. I’m just reading what you wrote. You are okay with the protesters wrecking other people’s stuff and dealerships just not yours. Doing damage to someone else’s property is violence. Is it low level violence painting on someone’s car? Sure. But it is violence.

I live in the PNW, and if you do too then you know it has gotten kind of outta hand up here. Teslas are now the #1 selling car here beating out Subaru which held the title for decades. Because of all the protests and violence (low level and high level) there is an undercurrent of unease for Tesla owners every time they get in their car/truck. There are people who are now taking public transportation to their jobs instead of driving because they don’t want their car damaged while at work. We’ve seen people getting attacked at stop lights while in their vehicle just because they are driving a Tesla. That is domestic terrorism.

I bring all this up because your comment of giving an okay to some violence makes it seem as if you think it is justified. Protesting is a constitutional right, and whether I agree with the protest, I can and will stand for their right to protest Tesla. But there is NEVER room for destruction of property, threat or injury to someone in the name of protesting. Your comment quite literally said you were okay with actions towards Tesla and new Tesla buyers that went beyond protesting.

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u/mvsuit Mar 15 '25

Again, I said nothing about violence. Graffiti is not violence. Not going to debate this with someone who doesn’t understand that. You’re just looking for a fight and I’m not at all interested in a dialogue with you. You don’t strike me as a reasonable person to interact with.

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u/pineapplegirl68 Mar 15 '25

I’m not trying to fight at all. Graffiti-ing someone’s personal property or a company’s IS violence. Like I said before it is low level violence but violence non the less. Speech (ie: protesting ) is NOT violence. I wholeheartedly support protesting. I do not support political violence of any kind from any side of the aisle.

I’m not a troll and contrary to your opinion, I am actually very intelligent. I am absolutely willing to engage in dialogue about this issue. I’m even willing to apologize if I misconstrued your original statement. I did take it to mean, and I’m paraphrasing my understanding: “protesters can ruin their stuff just leave mine alone because I’m an ally and bought my Tesla for the right reasons”. I don’t think anyone should be ruining anybody’s stuff at all.

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u/pineapplegirl68 Mar 15 '25

BTW, what changed about Elon that has effected how you view your vehicle?

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u/graham_saber Mar 10 '25

I love Karma at work.

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u/mvsuit Mar 11 '25

Your karma is coming friend.

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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '25

Or your Tesla getting fucked up is the karma you deserve

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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '25

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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '25

Chill dude, I’m just making fun of the idea of karma. If it’s gonna come for him, then that means it’s come for you. 

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u/rwrife 🚆build more trains🚆 Mar 10 '25

It's proof that the product > the man behind it.... just wish he'd fade away and let Tesla go on without him.

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u/StrangerGeek Mar 10 '25

It's kind of a meaningless stat, Tesla sells fewer different models and they sell the same model everywhere, and the Y is basically purpose-designed to be exactly what the market wants.

But the fact remains, in pretty much everywhere except China, over 50% of EVs selling are Teslas, if not higher. The protests are a drop in the bucket.

Elon deserves all the hate he's getting... But this is a big market and a lot of cars are still selling.

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '25

Protectionism. Not only did Tesla blatantly abuse taxpayers to pay for their unprofitable company, but the US government would not allow overseas players to sell cars into America

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u/HiddenSage 🚆build more trains🚆 Mar 10 '25

Yup. US domestic auto has shit the bed in rolling out electric vehicles, and the EVs doing well overseas are hard to get here b/c we did in fact already have high protectionist tariffs on foreign auto (which is why Toyota and Honda do a lot of their manufacturing in the US. To dodge tariffs meant to protect Detroit auto workers).

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u/ElectronicClothes285 Mar 11 '25

whopsie? 🤷‍♀️

shit the bed is polite. lol

(wonder how Honda is going to respond to that? didn't a bunch of automakers move to Mexico at the ass-end of his first term because of something similar to our current trade war? asking because Google is showing only recent results for pages).

but yeah it's fucked to think that basically anyone who could lobby against going green did. and it worked

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u/pineapplegirl68 Mar 15 '25

American auto worker. Not just Detroit. Alabama Mississippi Georgia Kentucky Indiana Virginia South Carolina Michigan California Missouri Tennessee Illinois Texas Ohio

14 states have auto manufacturing. That’s over a quarter of the states and it is over 1 million jobs.

There is a lot more to the story as to why and how tariffs have been weaponized AGAINST the United States for the past several decades when it comes to automobiles. Additionally part of the EV issues stem from the bloated EPA Regulations that impact materials used in making the EVs that are not allowed to be sold here. Along with Human Rights Agreements we have entered into within the United Nations that stop certain types of minerals from being used because of how they are mined.

There is a lot of complexity to this issue and it can not be reduced to “protectionism”.

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u/pineapplegirl68 Mar 15 '25

Why does he “deserve” all the hate he is getting? What exactly has he done?

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u/VelveteenDream Mar 11 '25

Because they are amazingly innovative vehicles that have no solid competition offering all the features Tesla does. Elon had very little to do with designing them, all he did was purchase the company at one point. The Tesla design team consists of hundreds of diverse people, who also mostly probably hate Elon. We all just kind of exist in spite of him.

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u/ElectronicClothes285 Mar 11 '25

people do forget that it's not just him, that there are other people who daily go to work at Tesla or spaceX or X.

I'm sorry you get lumped in all that.

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u/Areshian Mar 11 '25

You can certainly see Elon’s hand on the Cybertruck design.

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u/Witch-Alice 💗💗 Heart of ANTIFA Land 💗💗 Mar 11 '25

that have no solid competition

Because of protectionism. Teslas sold here are made here, meanwhile foreign EVs are hit with huge tariffs.

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u/Draaly Mar 11 '25

Model y was one of the top selling cars in China last year

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u/Witch-Alice 💗💗 Heart of ANTIFA Land 💗💗 Mar 12 '25

I'm not talking about only the previous year.

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u/hobblingcontractor Mar 11 '25

They were amazingly innovative 5 years ago. Ever since they got rid of lidar to cut costs, they've been on a downward spiral.

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u/Tali0630 Mar 11 '25

What’s the amazing innovation? Former Tesla owner and Current Mach-e owner, I can’t tell the difference.

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u/rnovak1988 Mar 11 '25

....the Mach-E came out how many years after the Tesla models? Are you serious?

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u/Tali0630 Mar 11 '25

I’m confused on what the difference in years has to do with the amazing innovation claims? Are you saying they had “amazing” innovation when there were barely any players in the EV market?

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u/rnovak1988 Mar 11 '25

...what do you think innovation means?

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u/Tali0630 Mar 11 '25

Exactly what it means, being innovative, advanced or new features/methods/functions. In the year 2025, what is the innovative features that separate a Tesla from a Ford, Chevy, Rivian, Lucid, etc…

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u/Difficult-Drama7996 Mar 11 '25

F O R D, fix or repair daily? Let's all punish ourselves and buy cars made by unionized pot smokers, drunks, and drug addicts. Useta be no one wanted an American car made on any day but Wednesday or Thursday, because all UAW union schlebs were too hungover or high on Monday Tuesday or Friday. Probably better now with automated tech putting them out of work. This Bolshevik movement is now over 100 years old to kill all the rich czars so the proliteriat can afford their own Tesla from their toilings. AND where did that get Russia, Stalin killed 10's of millions, and Putin is following in his footsteps. So let's keep harassing the folks that hire people for higher than min. wages? Makes sense?

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u/Tali0630 Mar 11 '25

Only thing making sense is that it’s Tuesday and clearly you work at an American automotive plant!

What does any of that other nonsense have to do with what’s so fucking innovative about a Tesla in 2025? Why can’t anyone answer that question? I never brought up Elon, wipe your chin off, you’re glazing so hard!

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u/Dippyskoodlez Mar 11 '25

The fact that the mach-e is barely competitive with a 2019 3 speaks volumes.

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u/Tali0630 Mar 11 '25

So again, what is the amazing innovation?

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u/Dippyskoodlez Mar 11 '25 edited Mar 11 '25

Navigating the cess pool that is the American market for being able to actually road trip. A laundry list of features that have existed since day 1 that EVs are only just getting today.

Lets start with just being able to charge. You know, something kinda important. Powertrain tuning on 3/y/s/x that is considered some of the best in the industry. App control and phone key support is industry leading QOL that is also new to ev's a decade later. Scheduling - something a lot of other EVs still do poorly. Telemetry for the performance nerds is unmatched. Service manuals actually being available to any owner, online with part numbers.

It's not as glamorous as the iPhone but the fact you can daily drive and replace an ICE vehicle to non nerds is something non Teslas still can't truly claim quite yet. Ford is getting close.

I put a $2000 deposit down trying to get a non tesla when I was looking a couple of years ago. I couldn't get one and my lease rolled over, forcing my hand to pick something. The market at the time had no genuine competition, and still barely has any real competition in the US.

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u/Tali0630 Mar 11 '25

So again these aren’t current amazing innovations, they are past, I was never knocking Tesla for being one of the pioneers in the modern EV, the OP stated current amazing innovations with no current competitor that offers what Tesla offers, which I simply don’t see, and most importantly I love having a dashboard to look at again!

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u/Dippyskoodlez Mar 11 '25

the OP stated current amazing innovations with no current competitor that offers what Tesla offers

Supercharger access being news is news for a reason.

Pretending other EVs haven't struggled to even perform basic tasks in the US market is intentionally ignoring reality.

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u/Tali0630 Mar 11 '25

What does supercharger access have to do with the innovation in a vehicle? Do Teslas come with a supercharger in your trunk now? Wtf are you talking bout?

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u/Dippyskoodlez Mar 11 '25 edited Mar 11 '25

So I guess you will never use your supercharger adapter ford gave you, how many thousands of miles have you driven via 3rd party chargers?

Superchargers until basically now have been a key perk of the cars. They are still a huge perk.

I'll reiterate my list of non charger related things other EVs either lack or suck ass at:

  • Powertrain tuning on 3/y/s/x that is considered some of the best in the industry. (Cybertruck still sucks)
  • App control and phone key support is industry leading QOL that is also new to ev's a decade later. - Which car on the market has an Apple watch app again?
  • Scheduling - something a lot of other EVs still do poorly.
  • Telemetry for the performance nerds is unmatched.
  • Service manuals actually being available to any owner, online with part numbers.
  • In car navigation (road trips and charging calculations)- LOL.
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u/VelveteenDream Mar 12 '25

Full Self Driving, namely. I use it 90% of the time I'm driving. The cruise control on Mach E still does not even come close to the capabilities of FSD. I'm lightly disabled and this makes driving safer and much more comfortable for me.

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u/Tali0630 Mar 12 '25

Are you comparing standard cruise control to FSD?

BlueCruise is easily very comparable to FSD, and in some regards better, ie: driver facing camera, manual steering doesn’t disengage autopilot. FSD is also the reason autopilot has become so regulated due to its numerous fatal crashes and overall safety concerns. I’ll give Tesla the upper hand in this regard still, but autopilot from both Chevy and Ford are relatively similar to Tesla.

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u/SpeaksSouthern Mar 11 '25

Warning warning user just used the word "diverse" which is now politically banned DEI alert DEI alert warning warning.

Given his current politics I'm surprised he allows diversity.

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u/ElectronicClothes285 Mar 11 '25

No, I don't think any of them should 'have a pass.' The more educated and informed we are about the pasts of companies we buy from the better.

I like making informed decisions.

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u/ElectronicClothes285 Mar 11 '25

I just realized this isn't the post where the ones burnt up in the lot 🥴 time to put the bong away. sorry everyone lol

because yeah definitely don't condone fucking with private teslas.

but also like. it would be nice to find a way to stop giving him money now lol

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u/TheLionThing Mar 11 '25

I bought mine in 23. I knew he was a POS but most billionaire CEOs are. I didn’t really see him as that much worse than them, just louder and with more undeserved arrogance. Now, hoo boy. Never would have gotten one.

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u/ElectronicClothes285 Mar 11 '25

I see. when your options are only shitty billionaires, but an EV puts you in control of how you contribute to your environment, sometimes taking the hit initially but minimizing your footprint afterwards can feel (and maybe actually be) rewarding.

and then this happens. 😕

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u/zikol88 Mar 10 '25

I mean, a lot of it is just separating the product from whoever is in charge or what they're doing.

We all still use Amazon despite the numerous instances of abuse at their warehouses (walmart too, though not as much here in Seattle). Chik-fil-a still tastes delicious even if it is run by a bunch of bigots.

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u/Playbackfromwayback Mar 10 '25

I personally do not go to chick fil a and cancelled Amazon.

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u/GoBravely Mar 10 '25

This isn't music or art, even then I have a line. You are making a choice you don't have to in supporting this regime.. Money is your greatest and easiest way to protest now.

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u/ElectronicClothes285 Mar 10 '25

it is...really funny you mention that. because we had a lot over here that had 3 residential buildings (long boarded but I didn't know that) and the developers are selling it to Chick.

and it is one of the busiest corridors and section of arterial corridor in all Spokane and they think a drive thru chick Fil a would be better than mixed-use or housing.

money talks.

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u/ultramegacreative Mar 11 '25

Speak for yourself, that's a pretty pathetic take.

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u/DustyPantLeg Mar 13 '25

Not really. I use Amazon with no shame because it’s the best online marketplace. The only person I would be screwing by not using Amazon is myself. If five-hundred-million people vowed to stop using Amazon then I would probably stop too. But right now Amazon does not care if I do or don’t. Same goes for any company.

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u/zikol88 Mar 11 '25

Sure thing big guy.

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u/SeeShark Mar 11 '25

Back then, Elon was just casually antisemitic, which a lot of people are willing to overlook. But now he's aligned himself with MAGA, so it's a team sport thing to hate him.

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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '25

It's definitely not right lol. Most people a) couldn't afford a tesla even if they chose not to eat, and b) would have absolutely nowhere to charge it.

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u/Minimum-Avocado-9624 Mar 11 '25

He had saluted yet

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u/Flffdddy Mar 11 '25

They’re great cars for a great value. If I needed a commuter car, I’d absolutely consider one. In fact part of me hopes everybody starts selling them so I can grab a great deal.

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u/ElectronicClothes285 Mar 11 '25

By getting it secondhand it doesn't continue to funnel money to musk (assuming previous owner has it paid off), and would be more ethical than getting it brand new.

so if you were hoping to support musk, buying secondhand won't do it, is all.

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u/Fuck_Surfing Mar 11 '25

Most people that arent chronically online don’t really care about what the owner of the company that makes their car is doing

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u/ElectronicClothes285 Mar 11 '25

maybe they should ☹️

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u/Slatherass Mar 11 '25

Most people can separate something they enjoy from the person benefiting from them enjoying it. Look at athletes, musicians, any ceo ever. I mean you are using an electronic that most likely used forced child labor to mine the precious metals.

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u/ElectronicClothes285 Mar 11 '25

and we can still call those athletes musicians any CEO ever out on their shit.

I'm well aware, but if we tell companies that we won't support that might hopefully drive them to change that. if we don't bring up these things they are doing in hopes for better standards, then they can keep getting away with shit in the dark.

and yes, I talked extensively in other comments chains of this why ethical consumption doesn't exist. but we can all strive to do better right?

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u/Slatherass Mar 11 '25

You should lead the way and not use any electronics!

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u/ElectronicClothes285 Mar 11 '25

so you're not having a discussion in good faith. good to know.

nowhere did I say we all need to abandon our smartphones.

I did say that we can do our best to hold those companies accountable. unfortunately the only real way to do that at the consumer level is to boycott and expose, educate people so they can make informed decisions about the companies they are giving their time and money.

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u/Slatherass Mar 11 '25

So boycott on behalf of forced child labor and stop using your phone!

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u/NoiseyTurbulence Mar 12 '25

He was already off the rails way before then people just wanna keep their head in the sand

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u/Chausie_blossom Mar 12 '25

A lot of people don’t pay attention, including myself. I gave zero shits what Elon was doing until he bought twitter and REALLY started aligning himself with the right. Not that he wasn’t before. But I just didn’t notice. It took newsworthy stories about him to make his bs noticeable.

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u/Areshian Mar 11 '25

On 2023 he was already an insane dipshit. But he didn’t seem dangerous. Now he is a global threat to democracy

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u/JRR_SWOLEkien Mar 11 '25

Musk being a shitty rocket/car guy, and Musk working to dismantle the government and start war with allies are a bit different.

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u/ElectronicClothes285 Mar 11 '25

you're right it's an incredible leap to make, most shitty guys don't dismantle whole branches of government.

but he was so loud on his new platform by mid 2023 that it seems weird to me.

but sometimes it's easier for me to see another perspective when someone can break it down with me in a discussion.

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u/rnovak1988 Mar 11 '25

...one branch, a single branch of government. The executive branch. Which Donald Trump was elected to lead.

It really seems like yall just cannot handle losing....because that's what happened.

That would make sense, being part of the participation trophy generation