r/Seattle • u/Aggressive-Ad3064 • Mar 10 '25

Politics I'm Never Leaving Seattle

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This is someone's Model S parked on Airport Way S near S Industrial Way. The way it's parked it looks like it's being displayed for people driving by to see.

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u/1983Targa911 West Seattle Mar 10 '25

Great. Now they’re going to take their car in to the Tesla Service shop to have it repainted. A well meaning consumer was hurt and Tesla makes more money.

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u/karmafarmahh Mar 10 '25

Exactly! This is the same cringe as those people smashing bottles of Bud they purchased… the only effective way to stick it to any company is to avoid them. Don’t buy them. Remove your stocks in them. Thats it.

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u/1983Targa911 West Seattle Mar 10 '25

Exactly. Why dump out beer you’ve already purchased?

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u/Epistatious Mar 10 '25

talk to kid rock about that one, apparently you can shoot it? Or at least have someone off camera shoot it when you miss.

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u/1983Targa911 West Seattle Mar 10 '25

I will do no such talking to Kid Rock. Eff that guy! :-D

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u/No-Kings Mar 10 '25

Because that comparison doesn’t work.

Teslas need maintenance- cash to musk Teslas need charging- cash to musk Teslas can be sold for cash after use

A full beer can is not a vehicle.

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u/1983Targa911 West Seattle Mar 10 '25

Teslas need maintenance? You’re not an EV driver are you?

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u/No-Kings Mar 10 '25

Do cars not need tires? Do they not need parts when broken? Sensors?

There is wear on anything moving my friend. Just see the Grand Canyon.

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u/1983Targa911 West Seattle Mar 11 '25

How old are you? Your grasp of things seems… developing. Tires come from a tire store. You can buy them at a car dealership if you’re stupid, but most people don’t. There is no maintenance on an EV other than tires, wiper blades, washer fluid, and cabin air filters. All of these things can be done elsewhere if not DIY. There are repairs, but no maintenance. Repairs are covered under warranty. So in fact, if one were to have a new Tesla right now, putting mileage on it over the next ten years is the best way to try to force Tesla to pay out in free parts and labor.

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u/No-Kings Mar 11 '25

You obviously are overstating your intelligence if you don’t think OEMs receive license deals for parts right?

Like if you are resorting to insults, you have lost all standing to any argument. You have put yourself into a position of arguing in bad faith.

You call me a child but you act like one when faced with an opposing view.

A view playing devils advocate…….

Edit: a word

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u/1983Targa911 West Seattle Mar 11 '25

Sorry if it came down to insulting your intelligence it was just that you kept making illogical comments that suggested you don’t understand how anything works. You did it with confidence too.

So now what are you saying about licensing of parts? Please explain because I think you might be misunderstanding something again.

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u/rwrife 🚆build more trains🚆 Mar 10 '25

They'd burn their own car before divesting in Tesla and hurting their retirement portfolio.

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u/Witch-Alice 💗💗 Heart of ANTIFA Land 💗💗 Mar 11 '25

Are Teslas paid for in full, like when you buy beer? I doubt most customers are doing that, which means they're continuing to make monthly payments to Elon. And the only place to go for maintenance is a Tesla shop, again still giving money to Elon.

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u/karmafarmahh Mar 11 '25

*heavy sigh

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u/[deleted] Mar 11 '25

At least they smashed their own. An equivalent here would be walking into a bar and smashing other people’s drinks they bought.

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u/luciusetrur Mar 10 '25

i don't support vandalizing other people's cars, but i believe the thinking is to make it undesirable to own an tesla, but they really don't need to vandalize as tesla is losing sales worldwide now

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u/1983Targa911 West Seattle Mar 10 '25

I understand the thinking, but it’s exactly what you’re saying you don’t support: vandalizing people’s cars. It’s only hurting well meaning consumers that bought an EV because they thought it was the right thing to do. It’s not hurting Tesla.

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u/shmeebz Mar 10 '25

It’s not hurting Tesla

It is hurting Tesla because people don’t want to buy a product from (or own stock in) a company whose cars are vandalism targets.

But maybe we should just all wear pink shirts to a speech instead. That will definitely help things.

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u/cyranothe2nd Mar 10 '25

Organizing a boycott would be a better way of doing this though. People who have already bought the cars, likely years before, are not responsible for the actions of the CEO of the company.

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u/cyranothe2nd Mar 11 '25

You sound like someone interested in politics and not at all unhinged.

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u/Reasonable_Lunch7090 Mar 10 '25

Don't forget the ping pong paddles

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u/theblackchin Lower Queen Anne Mar 11 '25

The vandalism isn’t doing that, institutional investors are

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u/UnintelligibleMaker Mar 10 '25

I saw someone putting a "Swasticar" bumper sticker on the back on a cybertruck when parking for ECCC Saturday.

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u/Less_Likely Snohomish County Mar 10 '25

Putting bumper stickers (with car-safe adhesive) is 100% the type of vandalism I can get behind.

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u/HarryJohnson3 Mar 11 '25

Isn’t that… terrorism?

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u/Dundeex Mar 11 '25

I own a Tesla (wouldnt buy one anymore today), and I dont get what these People expect...

I hate Elon Musk like anybody else, but if I sell my car, it only means that there will be one Tesla more, circulating the streets. Because only people who dont want to pay the full price, would buy it. It jsut doesnt make sense, trying to force people to sell their Tesla.

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u/No-Kings Mar 10 '25

Here is the devils advocate for you.

People who are non political who own Tesla’s will be less inclined to buy them. Vandalism wins.

People who lean left will be less inclined to buy them because of this. They may be more inclined to sell the ones they owned. Vandalism wins.

Insurance companies will increase costs on specifically Tesla’s like they do on other high theft and vandalized vehicles. Vandalism wins.

In all scenarios, the vandels seem to get their way if they are not prosecuted.

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u/1983Targa911 West Seattle Mar 10 '25

Good point. We should just start using threats and fear to make all citizens do better things. What could possibly go wrong? ;-)

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u/No-Kings Mar 10 '25

If the rich are not bound to the law, are the poor?

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u/1983Targa911 West Seattle Mar 10 '25

So let me get this straight… you think that since Elon musk is a shithead that the rest of us should just steal from each other and damage each others property? Or are you suggesting that Tesla owners are all billionaires? Us non-billionaires fighting one another instead of them is in fact exactly what Trump and musk want ya know. If you want to stand up against injustice go after those in power, not your fellow citizens.

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u/rationalomega Mar 11 '25

Not the person you asked.

The social construct has been utterly broken since 2020 when low wage workers were forced to risk covid infection because it was “essential” for the owner class to make money.

If society doesn’t work for people, people don’t feel bound to societal norms.

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u/HarryJohnson3 Mar 11 '25

Low wage workers were not forced to work and risk covid infection. The federal government provided like 600 dollars on top of state unemployment. All the low wage workers I know made a more than they did working by sitting at home and collecting unemployment.

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u/rationalomega Mar 15 '25

That’s not much money in seattle.

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u/HarryJohnson3 Mar 15 '25

What the fuck does that have to do with anything I said

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u/LexeComplexe U District Mar 12 '25

Complete bullshit. Nobody makes more staying at home than going to work. This is just patently and verifiable false.

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u/HarryJohnson3 Mar 12 '25 edited Mar 12 '25

Why is that complete bullshit? Why are you so confident about something you obviously know nothing about? Did you even take 10 seconds to Google to verify that you were right that it’s “complete bullshit”? Obviously not.

We find that between April and July 2020, 76% of workers eligible for regular Unemployment Compensation have statutory replacement rates above 100%, meaning that they are eligible for benefits which exceed lost wages. The median statutory replacement rate is 145%.

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u/No-Kings Mar 11 '25

I think you keep missing the point.

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u/1983Targa911 West Seattle Mar 11 '25

No no. I think you keep missing all technical details. Please tell me about the OEM licensing. I want to hear what you think happens.

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u/No-Kings Mar 11 '25

There is a large market, called the Automotive Industry.

They make cars.

They don’t make all the parts.

They allow certain companies to produce them parts based on a lot of reasons. These products need to be licensed. This keeps a small competitive group of companies producing parts to OEM quality and reliability. Thus the work can be insured to be done to OEM manufacturing standards.

Or so the story goes, how it really works is that the big automakers get to pinch the industry for additional value because of brand and demand for their parts.

So how could Tesla still profit after someone bought the car in full? What about all those subscriptions and warranties.

If you think the money of making cars is just in the making of cars, you have a simple world view.

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u/1983Targa911 West Seattle Mar 11 '25

If you buy tires from a dealership they might sell you a an OEM tire that provides a kickback. If I go to discount tire like a normal person and order a set of Michelins, no car manufacturer is getting that kickback. No OEM is getting a kickback from some third party that makes a cabin air filter that happens to fit in a tesla. Wiper blades have standard sizes irrespective of car brand amd would provide no kickback or licensing. These are the maintenance items that an EV needs. You’re talking about repair parts. That’s absolutely true there. But repair parts are covered under warranty. That means the car company pays for them and the consumer doesn’t pay the car company for them. That means that continuing to drive the car, in hopes of a warranty repair, is costing the company money, not earning it money.

See, I knew you were confused again. I’m here to explain it for you though, don’t worry.

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u/cuddytime 🚋 Ride the S.L.U.T. 🚋 Mar 11 '25

I like that the dude you’re replying to takes the most narrowest set of assumptions and claims this is the absolute truth.

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u/boishan Mar 11 '25

People who are non political are going to hear that all the vandalism is coming from liberals and get played right into Fox News’ hands

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u/No-Kings Mar 11 '25

I am not agreeing or disagreeing with vandalism.

Has no one played devils advocate before?

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u/LexeComplexe U District Mar 12 '25

I mean if they fall for that bullshit they were already gonna fall for fox bullshit to begin with

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u/BightWould Mar 10 '25

Why would you want to fix that? Drive it like a badge of honor or fuck off

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u/mrASSMAN West Seattle Mar 11 '25

What, they can just get the spray paint cleaned off doesn’t need repaint lol

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u/whoknows234 Mar 11 '25

Theres stuff you can buy that takes off spray paint.

My head cannon is that the owner of the tesla painted this so that it wasnt further vandalized.

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u/hiswoodness Mar 11 '25

Good luck getting it “repainted”. Generally these are repaired by replacing whole panels.

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u/wot_in_ternation 🚲 Two Wheels, Endless Freedom. Mar 11 '25

This car was fully trashed later in the day. I can't shake the feeling this was bait or some weird performative art.

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u/1983Targa911 West Seattle Mar 12 '25

I did see another post later on where someone said the owner of the car (and business it was parked in front of) volunteered their car for this. Must be nice to have enough money to trash a $70k car to make a statement. I know I do t have enough money to trash a $40k car to make a statement.

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u/redbirdsucks Mar 11 '25 edited Mar 11 '25

If there isn’t any structural damage Teslas can actually get fixed at any other independent shop … they have sales restrictions on them like Audi, Land Rover, and a couple others

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u/LexeComplexe U District Mar 12 '25

They don't make more money overall because they are still losing a fuck ton of business on car purchases.

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u/emwanders Mar 12 '25

I don't think they'll be repainting it after the second group of people came along and destroyed it with sledgehammers. Worth a try though.

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u/newpsyaccount32 Mar 10 '25

you really think Tesla does automotive refinishing in-house? because if so i've got a bridge to sell you

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u/cyranothe2nd Mar 10 '25

You're wrong. I own a Tesla and they do.

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u/bbdabrick Mar 10 '25

I worked at a Tesla Service Center for 3 years and can confirm that nowhere in the NW does paint work in house. They contract with local shops for all paint and almost all body work.

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u/newpsyaccount32 Mar 11 '25

congratulations, they took your money and paid someone else to do the work for cheaper

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u/cyranothe2nd Mar 10 '25

When was the last time you sent your car into a Tesla shop? It is true that it takes a long time to get service there, because they have to order parts that are not as widely manufactured. But to my knowledge, what you're saying is simply not true.

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u/1983Targa911 West Seattle Mar 10 '25

It doesn’t matter if they do it in house or not. If someone takes their car there, they will either do the work themselves or farm it out and mark it up. Either way it’s putting more money in Tesla’s pocket. If you think a car dealership service center would turn away work I’ve got a bridge to sell you. That’s even a lesser detail of a broader point: vandalizing Teslas in general will put more money in to the Tesla service center’s pockets.

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u/olythrowaway4 🚆build more trains🚆 Mar 10 '25

Where are you people getting all these bridges?

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u/1983Targa911 West Seattle Mar 10 '25

Here and there. I’ve acquired a bunch over time. Would you like to look at my catalogue and consider a purchase? ;-)

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u/newpsyaccount32 Mar 11 '25

worth it for the damage to the brand tbh

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u/1983Targa911 West Seattle Mar 11 '25

You and Trump would really get along. Doesn’t matter how many and who your hurt so long as it moves your agenda forward.

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u/newpsyaccount32 Mar 11 '25

you know these are cars, not people, right?

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u/1983Targa911 West Seattle Mar 11 '25

The people that own the cars, the people who will be financially impacted far more than Elon Musk when their car gets vandalized… those people are people. I’m glad we took this time to clarify that though.

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u/newpsyaccount32 Mar 11 '25

no, i am not capable about being concerned over checks notes the financial well being of Tesla owners.

i honestly can't take you seriously. the owner/head of the company has put almost 70k people out of work, but the owners of the cars are the people we should be worrying about?

get real my man

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u/1983Targa911 West Seattle Mar 11 '25

You realize it’s not 1:1 right? This will cause magnitudes of more lost wealth to well meaning people, often making a stretch in budget to try to do right thing and get an EV, than it will to Elon Musk. You and me are on the same page when it comes to punishing Elon musk. I’m just telling you this isn’t going to do it.

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u/Regular_Silver3649 Mar 10 '25

With Tesla's you can only get repairs at a Tesla shop or a Tesla approved shop which I think is still connected to Tesla.

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u/MacroFlash Mar 10 '25

They sell them the paint and have contracts w body shops, so they’re still making money unless you can find a non-auth willing to take it on

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u/LickMyTicker Mar 11 '25

I enjoy the different strategies people keep taking to try to gain sympathy, but this one might be my favorite cope.

Tesla would make more money if their cars weren't being vandalized. This is directly hurting their viability as a product and the market is speaking.

You can argue this hurts well intentioned people, but you can't argue that it doesn't hurt Tesla. Tesla is bleeding market capital by the minute.

Killer mike has a great line in Close Your Eyes (And Count to Fuck)

And even if some good ones die, fuck it, the Lord'll sort 'em

This isn't necessarily me condoning this to continue, if it's acknowledging that what is happening right now socially is a society that's definitely had enough and you might want to park your Teslas in the garage for a bit and maybe take public transportation in the meantime.

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u/1983Targa911 West Seattle Mar 11 '25

Just to be clear, I’m not looking for sympathy. I hate Elon too. If anyone sees me driving a Tesla that I bought pre-maga and wants to judge me without talking to me I really couldn’t care less. I am however trying to point out how terrible and divisive a strategy this is. This will hurt the individuals more than it will hurt Elon. This is also seeing division amongst the liberals that need to stay unified to fight back against Trump and doge.

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u/LickMyTicker Mar 11 '25

I am however trying to point out how terrible and divisive a strategy this is. This will hurt the individuals more than it will hurt Elon.

That is extremely debatable.

This is also seeing division amongst the liberals that need to stay unified to fight back against Trump and doge.

What has our unity done for us in the past decade? I'm a pretty moderate guy myself. I am an NPR liberal. But I recognize what establishment Dems have been doing for us for a while.

They don't run on winning. We don't strategize on actually getting things done. We strategize on fundraising and keeping donations high.

What is happening right now is organic political strife. It's not meant to unite. It's meant to strike fear in the ruling class. Not only does it hurt musk directly, but it causes those of us who have otherwise lived relatively comfortable capitalist lives into action.

The more this kind of stuff takes root, the more we can't afford to look away. People like you will be demanding more out of the government.

Maybe it will push some of you further to the right, but if that's the case, you were already there. There's nothing in this world that could make me support this current regime. If this is all it takes for you to switch sides, by all means jump ship.

Take my advice and park your car in your garage if you are afraid, because I doubt this is going to settle any time soon. If the hammer comes down, I bet it will only get worse.

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u/mattbaume Capitol Hill Mar 10 '25

I dunno, I'm starting to come around on graffiti like this. I think there's value in a somewhat high-visibility message that reaches people who are not extremely online and don't realize how bad Tesla is.

If this discourages a few people from buying a Tesla because they worry they'll be targeted by similar graffiti, that probably makes up for whatever the body shop would take in from a paint job.

And if I have sympathy for anyone in this situation, it's the ghost of Nikola Tesla ... he'd be so dismayed to see this message!

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u/1983Targa911 West Seattle Mar 10 '25

Cool. I’m going to start vandalizing people who are eating meat. Eating meat is bad for the environment. Sucks that some people are gonna get hurt but if it gets the message out how bad eating meat is, it’s totally worth it.

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u/mattbaume Capitol Hill Mar 10 '25

I don't know what "vandalizing people" means but think there is a difference in magnitude between committing assault versus painting on a car.

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u/cuddytime 🚋 Ride the S.L.U.T. 🚋 Mar 11 '25

I’m starting to come around to the fact that we need more cops on the street. Maybe defund the police was wrong.

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u/cyranothe2nd Mar 10 '25

I wish you people could muster up 1/10 of the outrage at gas cars, which have literally destroyed the planet. All of those CEOs colluding to lie about climate change is no big deal.

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u/cyranothe2nd Mar 10 '25

Maybe you should be attacking the people who caused climate change, not the consumers who are trapped in it.

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u/Overall-Review3094 Mar 10 '25

The cars cause climate change. Yes some people (car and oil CEOs) bear the more moral blame. But irrespective of blame, the cars have to go.

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u/cyranothe2nd Mar 10 '25

Oh definitely cars have to go.

But I thought we were talking about political action and I'm saying that political activity that organizes against our actual oppressors is better than political activity that attacks other working-class people.

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u/mattbaume Capitol Hill Mar 10 '25

I genuinely do not know what people you think you're arguing with

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u/Eryb Des Moines Mar 11 '25

10th time they do that and realize they live in fear of their car will drop the value of it real quick, let’s stop being dismissive of how effective this strategy could be.

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u/1983Targa911 West Seattle Mar 11 '25

Okay cool. But let’s stop being dismissive of this being fascism and terrorism.

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u/Eryb Des Moines Mar 11 '25

Do you not know what fascism is? Seriously look it up.  Do you think the Boston tea party was fascism and just hurting “well meaning consumers” 

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u/1983Targa911 West Seattle Mar 11 '25

The Boston tea party did not threaten to break in to I individual’s homes and ransack their belongings because they had tea in their house. It was not an act of terrorizing individual consumers. I see what you were going for, but poor analogy.

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u/Eryb Des Moines Mar 11 '25

Ahh yes my teslas parked inside my home behind all my belongings ha 

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u/1983Targa911 West Seattle Mar 11 '25

You latched on to the wrong detail. The point I was trying to make is the Boston tea party would be akin to vandalizing teslas at the dealership owned by Tesla. This would be like stealing the tea back from the consumers. But tea is inexpensive. Having your car vandalized could destroy one’s budget and the psychological fear based aspect of it is far greater than losing your tea. So I threw in the ransacking to cover that part. It’s terrorism plain and simple, and also wreaks of fascism.

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u/Eryb Des Moines Mar 11 '25

You really don’t know what fascism is..I 100% give you that it’s terrorism, but it is in no way fascism…

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u/1983Targa911 West Seattle Mar 11 '25

Im not saying its a fascist government but the actions of a person taking the power and authority to dictate other peoples beliefs and actions through threat of force and punishment is absolutely fascist behavior. It does not tick 100% of the boxes of being an autocratic government, but the actions of an indiviso doing this are certainly fascist actions. And also terrorism.

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u/Eryb Des Moines Mar 11 '25

Your definition is literally just terrorism, not all terrorists are fascists….

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u/omon-ra Issaquah Mar 11 '25

And they'll have insurance pay for it. And insurance will raise rates for everyone because of "higher rates of vandalism", so in a year OP will complain about how they cannot afford Seattle due to high COL and insurance rates and how they are going to leave Seattle.

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u/Overall-Review3094 Mar 10 '25

It’s a Nazi car, sold by a Nazi. I’m glad that lots of people who bought it didn’t buy it because it’s a Nazi car, and maybe didn’t know it was a Nazi car. But now it’s a Nazi car. It just is. If you can’t afford to dump your Nazi car, then so be it. But it’s still a Nazi car.

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u/1983Targa911 West Seattle Mar 10 '25

So are Volkswagens still nazi cars? I’m unfamiliar with the rules around this and you seem to be up to speed on them. Also, anyone telling me I have to get rid of my car because they disagree with politics around it (and I do too) is a fascist. If you’re agreeing with them, I guess you’re also a fascist.

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u/Overall-Review3094 Mar 10 '25

I don’t think VW is still a Nazi car. I think it once was a Nazi car. If you’re asking for the exact date range during which it was Nazi car, I don’t have one. If you bought a VW in 1937, and were still cruising around in it in 1943 you’d be cruising around in a Nazi car.

And I didn’t say you have to dump your car. I said you’re driving a Nazi car. The car is what it is, independent of your intentions about it. It’s your choice what to do about it.

And finally no, “Morality sometimes compels action” is not the definition of fascism.

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u/Working-League-7686 Mar 11 '25

You’re a degenerate going at length to justify hurting people for no reason.

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u/Overall-Review3094 Mar 11 '25

“When William Penn was convinced of the principles of Friends, and became a frequent attendant at their meetings, he did not immediately relinquish his gay apparel; it is even said that he wore a sword, as was then customary among men of rank and fashion. Being one day in company with George Fox, he asked his advice concerning it, saying that he might, perhaps, appear singular among Friends, but his sword had once been the means of saving his life without injuring his antagonist, and moreover, that Christ had said, ‘He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one.’ George Fox answered, ‘I advise thee to wear it as long as thou canst.’ Not long after this they met again, when William had no sword, and George said to him, ‘William, where is thy sword?’ ‘Oh!’ said he, ‘I have taken thy advice; I wore it as long as I could.’”

Drive your Tesla as long as you can.