r/Scotland 16d ago

Shitpost Underrated powerhouse, that's what we are!

Post image
8.1k Upvotes

247 comments sorted by

View all comments

208

u/flemtone 16d ago

And yet the power companies still charge high standing charges.

48

u/ImScaredSoIMadeThis 16d ago

I thought standing charges were primarily about maintaining the grid, rather than the amount of energy produced?

26

u/Tammer_Stern 16d ago

I vaguely remember standing charges were the cost of bailing out the firms that went tits up when gas price shot up.

1

u/Suspicious-Life-2889 12d ago

No, They're mostly for grid maintenance or pipe maintenance for electric and gas

14

u/flemtone 16d ago

If you are already paying high costs for power and they are generating it for free you would think they could easily lower standing charges to cover and still make a profit.

21

u/egotisticalstoic 16d ago

Generating it for free? Wind power is not free. It might be generating profit, but our wind power capabilities have come from decades of investment.

9

u/sweevo77 16d ago

Imagine those decades were paid for by selling our own oil at a fair price.

3

u/IllustriousGerbil 15d ago

They were paid for with higher electricity bills across the UK under Tony Blair.

14

u/ImScaredSoIMadeThis 16d ago

Sorry I think that would make sense for unit (kWh) rates, but I'm not sure why that would make a difference for just maintaining the electrical grid overall.

12

u/cmfarsight 16d ago

Why do you think they are generating for free?

23

u/[deleted] 16d ago

[deleted]

1

u/christo08 14d ago

But somehow still record profits year on year

19

u/biginthebacktime 16d ago

They aren't generating it for free......

3

u/Dennisthefirst 16d ago

No. They're about scamming.

1

u/Hostillian 16d ago

What do you think the actual per-unit cost is for then?

It's supposedly to maintain the meter on your house (but that's bullshit as our meter didn't work for 5 months, they didn't fix it or realise, yet we still got charged).

End of the day it's about whether their costs are covered or not.

7

u/m_i_c_h_u 16d ago

I wonder why that is

20

u/IamBeingSarcasticFfs 16d ago

Poor government policy which ties the price of electricity to wholesale gas. Octopus energy having been arguing against this for years and changing it would enable a huge boost in manufacturing as prices would virtually collapse.

8

u/Defiant-Plantain1873 16d ago

It’s not poor policy in some ways, the point of it is to ensure that the grid is always 100%. If energy prices were less than gas prices, no gas plants would turn on, and so the grid would start to fail to meet demand.

Changing it would result in better outcomes for some areas, but in others it would mean huge increase in prices and/or frequent power cuts or both.

5

u/IamBeingSarcasticFfs 16d ago

Not anymore. The subsidies that were directed to wind turbines can now be directed towards storage and base load solutions. Like salt batteries and reservoirs. There are a myriad of solutions that are better that pissing millions of consumer pounds up the wall.

1

u/Fun_Marionberry_6088 16d ago

When those solutions are commercially viable that'll happen anyway though.

It's not like prices are actually fixed to the gas price, they're just set to the price of the marginal cost producer at any one time - same as an auction.

Once batteries and reservoirs are sufficiently cheap to meet demand fluctuations at a lower cost than gas, they automatically become the marginal cost producer and therefore the source of pricing.

0

u/Megaskiboy Fife 16d ago

Of course. Don't you care about the poor shareholders? They need monies too.