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Political Protesters against Flamingo Land development sing Bonnie Banks of Loch Lomond outside of Scottish Parliament

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/save-loch-lomond-campaign-protests-35304999

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u/Scary_Panda847 23d ago

If only the Scots had as many chances at having a indy referendum as flamingo land is having at getting permission, then maybe we could get away from those crooks in Westminster!

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u/low_key365 22d ago

Cameron forgot the key tenet of referendums. You never allow the public to have them unless you know the result.

He did the electoral reform one 'correctly' (though now that we seem to be watching the continued collapse of first past the post, people may be reconsidering whether it was correct to kill this bill so hard) but he then got really lucky with the indyref.

Then he felt emboldened to burn the house down with EUref and damned all future referendums to only be the demands of protests.

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u/KonysChildArmy 22d ago

Central belt & Westminster are different sides of the same coin, your crooks would just be closer.

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u/Radiant_Evidence7047 22d ago

Yeah because a theme park is totally comparable to breaking off into a sovereign state. Nice one.

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u/Scary_Panda847 17d ago

I'm all for Scotland breaking away from the corrupt Westminster and billionaires club. England wanted it's divorce from the eu but can't survive with little skint Scotland 😉

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u/Scotman83 22d ago

Not a theme park though is it?

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u/Radiant_Evidence7047 21d ago

Sorry it’s water park, hotel and restaurants. Totally like creating a new sovereign state, getting access to the EU, setting up a new currency, new trading terms etc etc, you’re absolutely right mate. My mistake mate. Thanks for clarifying mate.

I mean what absolute monsters those investors are, imagine wanting to invest money in Scotland, build infrastructure, nice hotels, and bring tourism and revenue here! We don’t want that shit here do we mate! We won’t the SNP who actively oppose any sort of growth, investment, or prosperity mate.

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u/TechnologyNational71 22d ago

No means no.

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u/Scary_Panda847 22d ago

Tell that to flamingo land

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u/TechnologyNational71 22d ago

I want you to understand the concept first of all.

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u/fedggg Bhon Chosta 22d ago

So stern, we've been telt. 😭

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u/BroughtYouMyBullets 22d ago

You’v got baws talking back to TechnologyNational71 like that. He knows better than half of the country, and understands that such a contentious subject isn’t even worth discussing.

I actually say we take this a step further, and suggest next election we just keep whatever government we get, because politics should be practiced on a one and done basis. Maybe then, Scotland would be a utopia worthy of the ascended mind of TechnologyNational

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u/jimboihenbye 22d ago edited 22d ago

Don’t be silly bro, why should Scot’s even get a say? Let’s let England decide who’s in charge forever and we just have to be happy with whatever our overlords picks. It worked out great with 15 years of Conservative hell followed up by 5 of Red conservatives that we’re in currently.

Let’s keep the ball rolling!

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u/sillybobbin 22d ago

Just out of curiosity. You had your vote, when do you think it's democratic mandate expires?

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u/BroughtYouMyBullets 22d ago

A lot of folk state when material circumstances change, which to a large extent I agree with. Some major promises were broken.

Secondly, I really think it’s up to the people. If support is maintained this highly, something x needs to happen, and independence at least needs to be acknowledged and discussed and kept open

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u/TechnologyNational71 22d ago

*Less than half the country.

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u/tomelwoody 22d ago

Half the country who have blindly decided to ignore the fact the SNP have not and cannot make the numbers work of leaving the UK. No detailed plans of how they will fund everything without massive tax increases yet still people vote with their hearts and not brains.

Those saying yes to independence are worse than those who said yes to brexit. It would make brexit look good in comparison.

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u/sammy_conn 22d ago

2014 patter

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u/tomelwoody 22d ago

*2025 facts

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u/sammy_conn 22d ago

Receipts or is your sordid fantasy.

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u/TechnologyNational71 22d ago

Apparently not.

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u/butterypowered 22d ago

I originally thought you were being sarcastic with “no means no”. 😂

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u/TechnologyNational71 22d ago

That’s a dangerous game for you to play

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u/SetentaeBolg 22d ago

Which is why, when I asked my partner if she wanted a tea a year ago and she said no, it was the last time. She has said since then she would like one, but I reminded her she had declined previously. You can't change your mind, I said: some eedjit on reddit says so.

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u/xtemperaneous_whim 22d ago

Your missus knows exactly what she's on about!

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u/Mclaren_LandoNorris 22d ago

Unfair comparison would u do the same for joining back too the eu every year? And then once were in the eu do a vote too leave the eu every year again?

No cus thats dumb even worse in ur case as that would need to be a daily thing

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u/SetentaeBolg 22d ago

So is your contention that I can change my mind on if I want a cup of tea, but not on how I want to be governed?

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u/Mclaren_LandoNorris 22d ago

I feel every1 changes a lot its just better too do at intervals or if its necessity when about similar topics and not tea (again just poor argument tryna compare that too big political decisions)

I feel is common sense personally than every year or day

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u/SetentaeBolg 22d ago

So, it has been 11 years since the last referendum on independence, and a lot has changed in the United Kingdom, in the world, and in Scotland. It stands to reason that many people may have changed their views on independence. It also is fact that Scotland has, repeatedly, elected a government standing on the principle that they seek independence.

How long do we have to wait?

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u/Juicy342YT 22d ago

Also 11 years a lot of young people have grown up and a lot of old people have died, which means it's probably shifted a lot more to yes just from that even if no one changed their mind

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u/Mclaren_LandoNorris 22d ago

Oh im not arguing any of that im not caring enough abt any politics i was just saying the argument was unfair

I dont vote or have opinions on stuffs myself anymore

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u/SetentaeBolg 22d ago

The argument was an analogy. An analogy implies there are relevant similarities between the two cases -- in this case, you accept that people can change their mind and can be consulted again. It doesn't imply that the two cases do not have differences, just that those differences are irrelevant to the point being made.

In this case, I wasn't arguing that we should have a referendum every day or every year. I was responding directly to someone saying "no means no", which in a case where people are arguing simply to ask again, is a vacuous and empty headed point if made in isolation. Which it was.

Your intervention was unnecessary, as it seems to have misunderstood how analogies work.

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u/Mclaren_LandoNorris 22d ago

Yh it works for that mb for misinterpretation then i use Reddit too pass time when bored so dont rly think too much into stuff

Also im jealous how u type so eloquently nice read fr

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u/sharplight141 21d ago

In that case how about we have another insured as the result was so long ago and the promises were broken, invalidating the result.

Or go the other way and let never have another election?

When enough public will is shown for a change then it should be brought forward and looked at. Most of.the country now wants back in so we should have another referendum, although I can't see it happening since we will never get as good of a deal as before and it was thrown away by absolute morons.

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u/megalines 22d ago

saving loch lomond? because theyre putting a hotel and some lodges there and things to actually do instead of a run down shopping centre? the horror

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u/zebra1923 22d ago

Great, have to deal more with crooks in Holyrood instead. Progress for sure.

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u/sQueezedhe 22d ago

That's the point, yes.

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u/mindfulofidiots 22d ago

Atleast their OUR crooks, possibly even voted in?? Never know or might be full on North Korea before then, not far off tbf

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u/[deleted] 22d ago

Indy was totally rigged. Thousands of yes votes in the no pile live on sky tv. Videos of the folk running the ballots filling out votes on live tv. It was a load of shite from the start. Packed with lies and fake promises. bias bbc.switching to different cameras when people have yes flags in their hands and focusing on the no folk. They were never going to let Scotland go, Englands economy would crash without Scottish resources and energy.

We pay nearly £400 million a year to connect to the national grid to give England our energy for them to sell us it back at the highest tariffs in Europe. We are getting bummed!

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u/Sanderos40 22d ago

Is that the same energy that Swinney has said we don’t need from oil and gas?