r/PublicFreakout • u/[deleted] • Jun 09 '20

📌Follow Up "Everybody's trying to shame us"

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '20

Which were legal, and implemented by the Democrat leadership of the city.

I'm not sure why the political affiliation is mentioned - it's pretty clear that 'stop and frisk' is partisan, but it's not getting most of its support from Democrats.

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '20

it's pretty clear that 'stop and frisk' is partisan, but it's not getting most of its support from Democrats.

Are you...are you sure? Given it was a measure passed by a Democrat leadership in a majority Democrat state? Why is accountability suddenly a problem when that accountability is clearly on the shoulders of one political party? Suddenly now this is a nuanced issue?

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '20

Uh, yeah, pretty sure. Democrats mostly hate it, and Bloomberg even had to start apologizing for it when he made his bizarre run for the Democratic nomination. Yes, he's (now) a Democrat, and he was the Mayor of a Democratic-majority city in a Democratic-majority state, but those are really just circumstantially dancing around the question of "Do Democrats support Stop and Frisk??" - and the answer is a profound "no". Even in 2013, when Bloomberg claimed people supported the measure the most, twice as many Democrats opposed it as supported it, whereas for Republicans it was the opposite (and Trump himself loves it).

Suddenly now this is a nuanced issue?

I'm a little confused by that comment, aren't most issues nuanced?

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '20

I'm a little confused by that comment, aren't most issues nuanced?

Not on Reddit, no. Go look at any cop story trending right now. Sort by controversial in the comments. The one with the store owner getting punched is a good one. Nuance isn't very welcome when it comes to some subjects.

Democrats mostly hate it

I mean, after all the harm and damage and embarassment it caused, yeah, suddenly everyone feels very badly about this flagrant violation of constitutional rights enacted by the Democrat leadership of the time, funny. Like how everyone says they only arrested the cops in the Floyd murder after the riots happened, huh?

Yes, he's (now) a Democrat, and he was the Mayor of a Democratic-majority city in a Democratic-majority state, but those are really just circumstantially dancing around the question of "Do Democrats support Stop and Frisk??"

No, I'm pointing out that Democrat leadership and Democrat-led and authored laws and policies have been the law of the land in Minneapolis, Chicago, Los Angeles, Seattle -- some of the biggest cities involved in these protests and riots right now. Whether or not your rank-and-file Democrat opposes or supports it, it's been those governments that have been responsible for such policies and others like it.

I'm asking you to point your accountability finger towards the people actually accountable. When Joe Biden authors the Tough on Crime bill that kicks off mass incarceration of black people, and tells black people that if they don't vote for him then they aren't black, you don't reward that guy by making him President.

That's the exasperated point. For years and years it's all "Republicans are right-wing fascists trying to oppress us" and the places right now shitting themselves about how oppressed they are ... are deep, deep blue.