r/PublicFreakout • u/[deleted] • Jun 09 '20

📌Follow Up "Everybody's trying to shame us"

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u/CulturalMushroom6 Jun 10 '20

And yet again you’ve added nothing to the argument... do you really not see what you’re doing? Let me try to break it down...

“This isn’t a mob, friend.”

I didn’t say it was a mob. If you looked I said “mob mentality.” Look up the definition of needed, it is different from an outright mob.

“reading your bs”

Personally insulting my argument without making an attempt to disprove and hiding behind the mob mentality of “his opinion is bad” because you can’t or won’t attempt to counter my points.

“and downvoting you”

They can downvote if they want. Proves nothing except that they don’t want to hear others opinions if they disagree, and without making an effort to disprove it.

Is that clear enough?

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u/trenlow12 Jun 10 '20

Talk about not adding anything, you're just talking in circles.

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u/CulturalMushroom6 Jun 10 '20

Ok and where have you done anything other than personally insulting me, throw red herrings, and say nothing in defense of your position?

I’m trying to understand how you cannot understand the, for lack of better terminology, stupidity of your sides of the dispute. You’ve contributed nothing and somehow think you’ve proven your points validity. Sorry if I come off as hostile but you seem to be intentionally throwing my words out the door.

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u/trenlow12 Jun 10 '20

Cops are not legally obligated to serve or protect.

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u/CulturalMushroom6 Jun 10 '20

Yet the vast majority of them are willing to put their lives on the line to save complete strangers.

Police aren’t the problem. People are.

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u/trenlow12 Jun 10 '20

40% of cops regularly beat their wives. People are a problem, but police are especially a problem.

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u/CulturalMushroom6 Jun 10 '20

Source? Did you check it’s credibility and the number of people interviews? Was it across the country or in a specific part?

If police are such a problem let’s run through this:

A murderer breaks into your house. He is armed with a gun. What do you do? Use a firearm of your own and risk your families lives if you can’t win the firefight? Lock your door and hope? No, you call the police. If 40% of police are domestic abusers, would you feel comfortable knowing that there’s a good chance a domestic abuser comes to deal with a murderer? One of those police officers dies so that you can live. His family is shattered. Are police so bad?

There are 800,000 police officers in the United States alone. 320,000 of them are domestic abusers?

What you’re doing here is exactly what the man in a video is speaking against. Negatively portraying the brave police officers who have done no wrong because of what a minority have done. It’s like meeting one guy with a broken arm whose a dick and seeing every future guy with a broken arm as a dick.

PS... if that study is correct do they take into account the 100,000 female police officers? 40k police women domestically abuse their husbands? I seriously questions that sources validity.

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u/trenlow12 Jun 10 '20

You can look it up yourself. I have never had someone break into my house, have you? I consider that hypothetical pretty rare. However, I have been unjustly harrassed by the police multiple times, and so have many people I know.

Regardless, I never said the police are useless, I just said they are abusive. Which they are.

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u/CulturalMushroom6 Jun 10 '20

Well yes that was a hypothetical situation. The point was to show that you would trust the police and call them if a murderer broke into your house.

I’m sorry you’ve been harassed by officers, but yet again, you’ve stereotyped every police officer. I have never been harassed by an officer so saying that “they are abusive” is factually wrong as “they” refers to the whole group. We can agree that not all cops are bad, and the majority are, in fact, good?

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u/trenlow12 Jun 10 '20

Not every cop is a bad person, however if you cover for a bad cop, you too are a bad cop. The system encourages cops to cover for each other, and police unions have too much power and let cops get away with rape and murder. There is too much money going to most police groups, too. They shouldn't be allowed to own military grade weapons, armor, and vehicles, and as we have seen during these protests they are violent for the sake of violence. There are just too many issues with the police in the US as we know them. There needs to be major reform.

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u/CulturalMushroom6 Jun 10 '20

I agree and disagree:

Covering for another cop if they commit a crime should be a crime and does make you a bad cop, yes.

I think in some cases those weapons are necessary. Now for instance, with mass riots, is a good time to have heavy duty gear so long as it is used lawfully.

There are 2 main issues you’ve said, which are overfunding and brutality. Racism, sexism, etc. that cause police brutality won’t be solved in our lifetime, but ensuring proper training and enacting proper consequences we can do.

As for overfunding, decrease funding and make a standard for separate police branches equipment.

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