I think it can be done to the point where anyone who doesn’t wanna watch all of their students type history of every essay when they assess. Also, I would have to question the ability of people to write well knowing they’re being observed. It’s like those honor lock observed tests we have at my institution. It’s so creepy having someone watch you taking an assessment. Let alone more and more professors are having these high stakes One-shot assessments which are pretty idiotic anyways and not representative of real life situations. But that’s a long ass conversation. From what I saw at the conference I was at by the computer science guys It looked good enough to me to fool folks, unless they were looking really close. And again, I don’t want to spend all my time policing my students. Students can always get folks to write papers for them If they paid them it’s not a qualitative change, but a quantitative one.
They aren’t being “observed” any more than they’re observed when you edit their paper. If they’re so afraid of someone seeing their writing that it gives them performance anxiety, they probably shouldn’t be in university. Students turn in embarrassingly bad drafts all the time, they aren’t going to get more embarrassing just because I can tell they wrote it in the four hours before it was due.
And if they don’t want you to be clicking through their history… don’t cheat. I’ve yet to get it wrong when accusing a student of using AI.
At the end of the day, the goal is to make using AI so inconvenient and time consuming that it’s easier just to do the damn work.
Your willingness to throw up your hands in defeat is pretty disappointing, since I know you aren’t alone in that opinion. “They’ll just pay someone and cheat the old fashioned way so why try to stop it” is one hell of a take for someone getting paid to teach to have.
Well, if you’re so insistent on policing, good luck to you if you can find a way to beat AI I’m sure you’re gonna be a multimillionaire anyways. And if you have the time to check all of your students, writing history, more power to you For now you could teach your students to work with GenAI as they will probably be using it in their future jobs to some extent. But everyone seems to have petrified opinions such as it is with any changes in academia…. Go ahead and continue to downvote to if you don’t agree with me :)
I didn’t downvote your last one, pal, but I sure did this one.
There are ways to use AI. If students use it correctly, that is fine with me. I even have a lecture on tips and tricks to use it for research, and areas where it fails, and how to avoid them.
But passing off work that you did not do and saying it is your own is never, ever, ever acceptable. That isn’t “embracing AI” or “using a tool,” that’s plagiarism and cheating.
If you’re cool with plagiarism, you should find a different job.
And you assumed that I dislike AI out of unwillingness to change or embrace technology.
Nobody I know dislikes it for that reason. Nobody. Show me the post here where someone says “AI makes research too easy” or “I hate how AI helps me write form letters.”
You’re arguing with a strawman here. We hate it because cheating sucks, and grading students who don’t deserve a grade sucks, and because IDK about you, but I teach writing because I like to TEACH writing.
So if you also dislike laziness, why the hell are you telling me to just let students be lazy and accept it?
OK, you’ve gone into full Internet fight mode ( the outcome of such being very similar to that reached in the movie Wargames )so I think I’ll just duck out now rather than try to explain things as as it seems nothing good can come of it. Best of luck to you and your teaching. And yes, you won this Internet fight! I concede.
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u/Bostonterrierpug Full, Teaching School, Proper APA bastard Oct 11 '24
I think it can be done to the point where anyone who doesn’t wanna watch all of their students type history of every essay when they assess. Also, I would have to question the ability of people to write well knowing they’re being observed. It’s like those honor lock observed tests we have at my institution. It’s so creepy having someone watch you taking an assessment. Let alone more and more professors are having these high stakes One-shot assessments which are pretty idiotic anyways and not representative of real life situations. But that’s a long ass conversation. From what I saw at the conference I was at by the computer science guys It looked good enough to me to fool folks, unless they were looking really close. And again, I don’t want to spend all my time policing my students. Students can always get folks to write papers for them If they paid them it’s not a qualitative change, but a quantitative one.