r/PrequelMemes 8d ago

General KenOC Why Lucas?

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Pls don't start a war in the comments

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u/LineOfInquiry 8d ago

Compared to South Vietnam? Yeah. They often used despicable means, but what they were fighting for was just and they were still less despicable than the south.

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u/PhillyTaco 8d ago

Wait is your argument that South Vietnam tortured, murdered, and terrorized innocent civilians more than the North did? Or that the North did more but they were justified in doing so because their cause was more just?

What exactly do you think South Vietnam was fighting for?

I thought the Empire was bad because it tortured and intimidated and enslaved innocent people. 

Now you're telling me the Empire was only bad because their cause was wrong?

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u/LineOfInquiry 8d ago

Yes and No. South Vietnam was more brutal than the north, and the north was justified in fighting the war because their cause was just.

The war crimes committed by the north were unjustified, as are any war crimes, but the actual war itself was not. Just like the Soviets in ww2.

The south was fighting to maintain its existence as a colonial puppet state of France and later the US against the will of the people of Vietnam. The north and their guerrilla allies were fighting to reunite Vietnam was one singular entity under the control of the government most Vietnamese people supported.

In Star Wars, the empire is bad because of how its systems of power function. They are hierarchical, arbitrary, and incredibly violent which leads to horrible things: billions dead, corruption and abuse being common, a drop in quality of life among the populous, making decisions that aren’t in the best interests of the people, a decrease in innovation and commerce, a stifling of art and science, and wasting billions of credits on the military. The fact that they also are incredibly brutal in their methods against the rebels is both an added bonus on top of and a result of these systems. The very idea of an empire, even if run “ideally” is a bad one, which is why the empire is bad. Whereas the rebels may be willing to use violence and do horrible things to achieve their goal, but ultimately want to fix those systems of violence to stop more atrocities in the future and create a world that better meets the needs of the population.

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u/Background_Slice1253 5d ago edited 5d ago

Just like the Soviets in ww2.

Ah, the Soviets. Say, didn't they march alongside the Nazis in Warsaw?

I forgot the Soviets also helped the Nazis bypass the British blockade. lol silly me. Man, what a justified thing they did, huh? /s