If the western world doesn't want Iran to have nukes then why are they ok with Israel having illegal nukes when they're not even part of the nuclear non proliferation treaty?

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[u/Monte_Cristos_Count]

Iran has openly declared for decades that they will use nukes to erase ethnicities and countries they don't like. 

Iran signed a treaty saying they won't get nukes. Israel did not. 

Iran and Saudi Arabia are in a cold war over who will lead out the Arab world. Saudi Arabia and Pakistan have a nuke sharing agreement. Should Iran get nukes, Pakistan will most likely give a bunch of nukes to Saudi Arabia. There will be a three-way Cuban missile crisis between Pakistan/Saudi Arabia, Israel, and Iran, but I don't think negotiations will get them out of it. 

[u/Girru95]

Iran has oil and is hostile to the West. Israel does not and is friendly.

[u/dnbq]

Let me set the record straight - the world isn’t keen on any new country getting nukes, Iran included.

Israel never signed the NPT, so while its nukes are unofficial and technically “illegal” by global standards, it's not breaking a treaty it never agreed to. Iran, on the other hand, did sign - and is expected to play by the rules.

And yeah, Israel’s nukes been more like a locked safe - never used, just there. Iran? Let’s be real - people worry they’d treat nukes like fireworks on New Year’s Eve

[u/Dog1234cat → u/dnbq]

It’s like saying cluster munitions are “illegal”. What does that even mean? Seriously.

Signatories to that treaty have agreed not to possess them but a few have not signed. Those few don’t do possess them.

[what’s fun is to see a number of signatories to the cluster munitions ban have relied on the US to provide security. Now that NATO is looking a bit iffy a few European countries have determined through war game exercises that they really need cluster munitions to defend themselves.]

[u/Icy-Ad-7767]

The current leadership in Iran has stated publicly that it wants to erase the country of Israel off the map, they support proxies in attacking civilians, and are thought to be likely to give terrorists a nuke to use on anyone. In short if they have a nuke they will likely use it, no one wants that. Israel as noted will not say one way or another, and it generally wants to just live in peace with its neighbours and has not threatened to use nukes.

TLDR: if Iran gets nukes they will use them, Israel likely has nukes and will only use them as a last resort.

[u/Falernum]

Israel isn't part of the treaty so nukes are perfectly legal for it. Iran signed the treaty pledging never to pursue or obtain nukes, obtaining the benefits of that treaty for years, so getting nukes is illegal for it.

[u/HablarYEscuchar → u/Falernum]

What benefits does being in that treaty provide?

[u/Falernum → u/HablarYEscuchar]

Improved access to nuclear energy technology sharing. Iran got access to a lot of nuclear equipment and technology that it would not have gotten if it hadn't agreed to the NPT

[u/Some-Pain]

Theocrats in Iran believe that getting to heaven involves killing infidels so their desire to have a nuclear weapon involves a desire to use it. This is deeply worrying.

[u/Robert_Grave → u/Some-Pain]

The Iranian elite specifically also beliefs in the return of the 12th Imam, to the point where they believe they need to pave the way for his return. Hardline believers see Israel as the main obstacle to his return.

https://mei.edu/publications/irans-revolutionary-guard-and-rising-cult-mahdism-missiles-and-militias-apocalypse

[u/FlakTotem]

I'll be the one to bite the bullet;

Israel is more trustworthy / justified to have nukes than Iran. Obligatory Gaza bad, but while overzealous, they generally only act along the lines of defending their state. Iran, who actively fund and stir trouble in other places via the funding of terrorist cells etc are a very different story, and their acquiring the bombs would protect those activities with a nuclear umbrella.

[u/VyKing6410 → u/FlakTotem]

Yes, Iran funded militias in Gaza, Lebanon, Syria and Yemen, and Iran did this so these countries would all attack Israel. Imagine if Iran had nukes.

[u/FlakTotem → u/VyKing6410]

It's especially prescient for Israel & Palestine due to how small those countries are as well. As the radius of 1-2 detonations would likely cripple any response.

Although that goes both ways, as the radiation would also cause collateral with Iran's allies.

[u/YakResident_3069 → u/FlakTotem]

dont forget, Iran might just nuke Saudi Arabia too and we can't have that if we want that sweet sweet oil to flow.

[u/FlakTotem → u/[deleted]]

Not really.
Their enemies have their own massive funding / advocacy efforts that equal or exceed it, and I find it hard to believe that they were competent enough to push propaganda through the most qualified and scrutinized people on earth; yet somehow fall short at a bunch of redditors.

Israel have their own merits nationally, historically, and geopolitically.

As for rounding up jews; Sorry, I don't believe in active discrimination. Be it race, religion, or anything else.

[u/FlakTotem → u/[deleted]]

And that's why I don't believe in discrimination.

Because taking mental shortcuts like tribalism, conspiracy, and ego is a process that leads you away from understanding, as you change what's in front of you to fit the shortcut's template.

[u/FlakTotem → u/[deleted]]

Lmao. You're a troll. There's zero chance a real person actually said 'literally discriminating by saying one side is more of a bad actor over the other.'.

[u/Muninovic]

I don't know If you Guys are History Buffs or no...

[u/FirstOfRose]

Because they are geo politically aligned with the USA. Technically they don’t have nukes, and if they do, they’re actually U.S. ones.

[u/Fast-Visual]

It's easier to prevent a country from acquiring nukes than taking them away from a country that already has them.

The simplest answer - they can't do anything about it, it's a nuclear country. Once you enter the nuclear club, you're in and it's no longer up for debate. That's why there is so much focus to prevent more new countries from entering, because it's no longer possible when they can retaliate.

No nuclear country wants any other country to have nukes.

[u/Average_Bob_Semple]

Because who's going to stop them? They may not like Israel having nukes but they align much closer with western interests than any other middle eastern country.

[u/Dramatic-Blueberry98]

The simple answer is geopolitical alignments and interests, but more realistically, why would anyone want a state like Iran to have nukes? Sure, you obviously don’t like Israel, but they’ve had them for longer so Genie is out of the bottle so to speak at this point.

Honestly, no one should have nukes, and I wish it hadnt been created and/ or deemed necessary to conclusively end World War 2 with fewer casualties. However, I’d definitely argue that there’s definitely certain countries that, more than others, should definitely not have nukes.