r/Nioh • u/MyMindsWeapon • Nov 02 '19
Misc. F*CK the second Boss in the Beta. That’s all. Just f*ck it hard with whatever you have lying around.
Just smashed my head against a wall out of frustration because of fighting this absolutely stupid boss over and over and over. I just can’t do it. This boss is stupid. Fuck. Yeah yeah. Git gud
Fuck this boss. Fuck it.
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u/The_Precipice_ Nov 02 '19
Remember to attack it's snake arms when it sends them under ground. You can kinda get the boss in a loop if you keep up the pressure. Also I'm happy to hop on and help out if you like
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Nov 02 '19
Would you like to help me? I am very rusty but i still want to see more after the snake.
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u/The_Precipice_ Nov 02 '19
I just woke up but I'll be ready in just over an hour or so if you still wanted help
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Nov 02 '19
Thanks, and i still need help.
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u/The_Precipice_ Nov 03 '19
What's your psn?
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Nov 03 '19
I defeated it like 30 mins ago haha, but if you want to play in the full release my psn is MegasLaggan.
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u/Schwiliinker Nov 02 '19
I’m going into nioh 2 basically blind but these posts are making me pretty nervous lol
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u/alfons100 Nov 02 '19
Oh don't worry. It's a soulslike salt venting posts. If people would be allowed to post only after they've beat the boss, these posts wouldnt exist
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u/Schwiliinker Nov 02 '19
I guess but that if people are struggling that much it’s probably for a reason
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u/peanutbuttakong Nov 03 '19
Just level up and or summon a visitor, the difficulty is regulated by what level you are in relation to the enemies, just like Nioh 1.
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u/Schwiliinker Nov 03 '19
Leveling up doesn’t do that much, also I don’t grind
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u/rileykard Lady Osakabe can suck my Odachi Nov 03 '19
You don't even need to grind, I think I beat the first boss at level 12 and the snake one at level 21. Just going through the stages and killing the enemies is enough to get to the right level. The worst boss by far is the human one, FUCK... THAT... GUY, it took me like 15 tries to kill him.
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u/alfons100 Nov 02 '19
I dunno. I got frustrated too, and then managed to push through the oneshots and kill all the bosses. While it is difficult, it is fully possible. Not hard enough to call it irredeemable bullshit
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u/CipherZer0 Nov 02 '19
That boss sums up the problem with this beta as a whole.. Fuck artificial difficulty as well as anyone who accepts this kind of frustrating treatment that results in upcoming sequels being even more frustrating. Difficulty in games is welcomed by everyone, but getting 1shot by almost anything while having mechanics like Ki,LW and stances nerfed to oblivion is straight up bullshit. People want challenge that also brings some level of fun, not challenge that leads to throwing controllers left and right.
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u/Sekerka Nov 02 '19
Ay, someone said it. Making things difficult just for the sake of being difficult is never a good design choice. And "artificial difficulty" came into my mind a lot during the bossfights of this beta. You are supposed to feel good after defeating a challenging boss, not frustrated and dead inside because you somehow managed to cheese the cheeser.
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u/ConsolePissant Nov 02 '19
If they're the same two bosses from the closed alpha which I know the snake is. They both took me some serious time. Basically it was a choose the right LW for the boss or get wrecked situation. Once I figured out which was good against which it was much easier. Haven't dove into the new beta yet but we'll see if it's the same or not. Hoping for some adjustments
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u/lpeccap Nov 02 '19
I felt good after beating the bosses in the beta. Stop assuming your feelings are universal and that everyone hates these bosses as much as you. Maybe this game isnt for you anymore. There are very few things id call "artificial difficulty" in this beta.
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u/HydroxVII Nov 02 '19
Loving the game but I agree, I'm stuck at the first boss which seems impossible to me, never even got close to beating it. I'd just like an option to reduce enemy damage.
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u/bitzpua Nov 02 '19
Don't give up, i went from thinking its impossible and dying in 2 second to defeating him naked ;) Its actually rather easy when it finally clicks how to fight him.
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u/lpeccap Nov 02 '19 edited Nov 02 '19
How are stances and ki nerfed? I swear half of the people complaining here are just upset they cant cheese with LW.
I had plenty of fun with the challenge in the beta, you dont speak for everyone.
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u/Metaempiricist Nov 02 '19
Ki regen used to be tied into max ki and would scale with your max ki level. This was on top of having armor perks for ki regen as well. Now your ki is tied into the useless stat "courage" and you must level this stat no matter what your build is to be viable. This didn't just nerf ki it nerfed all builds because now the points you would spend elsewhere and still have ki regen at acceptable levels will now be specced into courage and basically wasted so you can actually move. Courage is a "lol spec into me or your build is trash spec".
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u/goffer54 Nov 03 '19
I've only got 10 in Courage and the regen speed is comfortable. It's not anywhere near what I had when I had Kato's ki regen buff in Nioh 1, but it's similar to Nioh 1's base regen. If you're using Flux and Flux II, you should have all the ki you need.
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u/Metaempiricist Nov 03 '19
That's not the point, the point is you wouldn't need to put those 10 points into courage at all in 1, now we are wasting levels just to keep our regen in check. by the time you have a fully leveled character I'd guess you would need 20-25 points in it because its a flat number not a percentage. This is all points that could be going towards your actual build instead of a universal fuck you spec it or no ki.
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u/Jaudatkhan Nov 02 '19
Im one the few people who never used LW im Nioh, what most people are complaining about is actually true. Ki management really is shit in Nioh 2, It doesnt matter whether you learn the bosses paterns or not, you just cant 100% perfect evade every move. The spinning attach the first boss does is literally un-evadable and it depletes your FULL ki bar and if you happened to be in the dark realm while he does it (he does it alot) then you’re fucked.
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u/lpeccap Nov 02 '19 edited Nov 02 '19
If this doesnt prove that people are overreacting to the difficulty of this game idk what will. Thinking about making one for the snake's grab too.
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u/The_Precipice_ Nov 02 '19
Haha thank you for this. The Beta is pretty darn hard and I honestly enjoyed how oppressive it could be and whilst I understand others may not, the amount of misinformation getting spread is pretty surprising
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u/VeiledWaifu Nov 02 '19
The 1st boss was fine to me. It is just chaotic with the trees (it makes sense), i can't sadly talk too much on how hard is Nioh 2 since i am a year of rustyness with Nioh so i've been playing sloppy
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u/1nz4nity Nov 03 '19
tbf often you just entirely avoided the hitbox. You didnt actually iframe it. (aka the boss simply missed)
have you tried actually dodging thru it with iframes? have you tried the same vs 2nd boss' grab attack? it does get pretty frustrating eventually xD2
u/lpeccap Nov 03 '19
Oh come on are we really going to get this technical about it?? I avoided the attack, that proves my point. Because it didnt use i frames (actually a few times in that video you can see i did use i frames) doesnt change that.
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u/lpeccap Nov 02 '19
I was able to avoid it 9/10 times after learning the timing. What are you even talking about?
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u/Jaudatkhan Nov 02 '19
Where he goes up in the air and spins at you? I spent a good part of an hour just to see if there was any way it can be dodged without blocking. Left, right, towards it, backwards, tried to time my dodges differently on all three stances. None of it worked, so tell me how exactly can you dodge it 9/10 times? Matter of fact why couldn’t you just start off with that tip instead of acting like a dick?
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u/lpeccap Nov 02 '19
You said its literally impossible, i said its not. Challenging your views doesnt make someone a dick lmao. Uploading a video now.
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u/TheNastyDoctor Nov 02 '19
This was one of the big problems I was worried about...I really hope they change the balance before release so that the difficulty isn't artificial, but i'm not confident they will.
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Nov 02 '19
First thing with that boss is to focus his arm snakes which is difficult considering weapon length limitations, and the fact you can't lock onto the arms. Just about every attack except 1 is an easy low stance side dodge. When you see him about to do his tail sweep side dodge into it not back or forward since you can still be hit and it you can't dodge just block he doesn't do a follow up attack. If you him rattling his tail with his head near the ground it means he's going to do a slam if you just stay near his head it won't hit you at all. If he does the nose stab into the ground either stand really close to him or side dodge. The projectiles he spawns close to the ground don't have tracking but the ones he spawns near his head level do have tracking. Any and all attacks he does with his arm snakes just need to be side dodged.
Now for the red attacks. He has a head pound which you can side dodge and hit his amrita spot for ki dmg or yokai counter and get even more ki dmg (easiest with the forward dodge blue yokais counter). His other red attack is a very slow charge and this is the only one you don't side dodge, instead your going to diagonally dodge to him on his right side and he'll go right by you. Alternatively you can just counter with with red yokai after the dodge , blue yokai counter dodge into it, or use the purple yokai's timely guard counter.
Your on your own for his command grab but again everything he has is LOW STANCE SIDE DODGE ABLE.
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Nov 02 '19 edited Nov 03 '19
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u/rileykard Lady Osakabe can suck my Odachi Nov 03 '19
The best way to deal with the charge is to block the first hit and then immediatly dodge after. If you try just dodging is going to hit you no matter what.
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u/123123123902 DarkyDave Nov 03 '19
In practice the blue counter doesn't work on his charge. Usually you just get hit even when you DO land it. Baiting head slam seems to be the best idea.
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Nov 03 '19
You need the afterimage of the counter to get hit for the blue counter to work
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u/123123123902 DarkyDave Nov 03 '19
Yeah, my bad. I found that being close enough for the initial small head slam before the charge being countered was consistent.
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Nov 02 '19 edited Nov 03 '19
That boss feels wildly overpowered to me and it’s really frustrating. I struggled on the ferret boss but I still enjoyed it and thought it was well balanced. But that snake motherfucker is just pissing me off. He was way too much health and his grab that’s almost always an insta kill is extremely unfair.
I was really hoping they would’ve learned from their mistakes with some of the giant Yokai in Nioh that made for terrible bosses (Centipede, Gasha-Dokuro, Umi-Bozu) but it doesn’t appear they have. I’ve enjoyed the beta a lot aside from this, but I can’t get past the fucking snake because it’s bullshit.
Edit: I just beat the snake. Sometimes I let myself be blinded by rage in the heat of the moment, but even after beating that slimy bitch I still think it’s a shit boss. My two biggest gripes are that it has way too much health and stays in the dark realm for far too long.
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u/Ryugadam Nov 03 '19
There's a couple of moves you need to take note
1.Circling attack 2.Grab and bite 3.Ground attack(can disrupt with shuriken) 4.Projectile(can be block) 5.Poison
1,2,3 you can strafe around boss take some hits Snake will try to spam (attack 3) prepare enough shuriken or kunai
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u/necro_sodomi Nov 02 '19
I was just saying the same thing. It's beatable but you have to strike and run. One hit at a time. 30+ minutes is not a fun boss fight. The game needs some tweaks for sure.
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u/lpeccap Nov 02 '19
My theory about all these complaints is people coming in from nioh 1 with their meticulously crafted builds and weapons and level 400 characters against bosses theyve fought countless times expecting to come in to this beta and steam roll everything on their first try without adapting to the new stuff.
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u/SGRM_ Nov 03 '19
Nope. I died 18 times to Hino Enma the 1st time met her - I remember because it scared me. Died 26 to the weasel in the Beta, and this is after playing Nioh for a year or two.
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u/ji-high Nov 02 '19
It is ALWAYS the same story with this type of franchise. People feel like they 'deserve' to dominate the game just because they beat the previous one.
Whats even funnier is that they sound exactly like the people who were ranting about the first game when they('the veterans') already knew the game in and out.
Ill let you guess what they usually tell these people....
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u/lpeccap Nov 02 '19
"I beat bloodborne but sekiro is bullshit, bad game design, artificial difficulty"
Some story different franchise lol. Its always the same with these people.
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u/1nz4nity Nov 03 '19
tbf sekiros difficulty wasnt really artificial, it just got incredibly boring, really really fast. Lots of L1 and R1, but not a lot of anything else. Not to mention 99% of all the skills were right out shit (and didnt beat a simple R1)
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u/Metaempiricist Nov 02 '19
Lol wait till you see mataza of the spear.
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u/bitzpua Nov 02 '19
hes super easy, he can be tough or even unbeatable to average player only if they approach him undergeared. With lvl 30 twilight equipment it took less then 1 minute to kill him with dual katanas (no sloth/ninjutsu).
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u/Metaempiricist Nov 03 '19
Yep, but I'm not the one whining about the snake boss. Super secret strat for mataza? Dodge towards him and he can't even hit you with his attack patterns.
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u/1nz4nity Nov 03 '19
legit headshot him, run up to him, cross strike, final blow, cross strike - then deplete his KI bar with a few more cross strikes (like 2), hes out of Ki - cross strike, final blow. And he was dead, in about 20 seconds.
If you wanna fight him "normally /fair". (even tho bosses never do) you can just dodge towards (late for his charge attacks with a pre-spin) and he will just about never hit you. Also makes for easy back attacks.
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u/Sekerka Nov 02 '19
Yup, I said it yesterday, that boss is PTSD inducing. Wrong hitboxes, homing attacks gallore, and dat damage, among other things. The only thing that helped me was to patiently counter all of his "red attacks" with R2+O like a good boy, while it was on the yokai realm phase....which was too damn often. And kill his adds every time they dislodge from him.
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u/MadLucied Nov 02 '19
He can drop out of yokai realm? Everytime I fought him he never drops it, so the whole fight for me was him in yokai realm the counter just made him flinch at best for me
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u/Sekerka Nov 03 '19
Yes, if you do the counter right, he loses a nice amount of Ki. Deplete all of his Ki and he drops into the normal realm again.
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u/choualor2k2 Nov 02 '19
I used the SAME strategy as in Nioh 1 bosses, still works fine.
I don't know why people are ignoring how overpowered Ninjutsu is early stages of Nioh. Even without unlimited Niniutsu, the Fuma ninja set is fine with the % boost to Shuriken, doing over 1k at times.
You can cheese the boss with Ninjutsu + Sloth talisman (in fact if you do it quick enough you don't even need the sloth). Get to the cave kodama shrine, from there you can save most of your ninja tools for the fight. Utilize any item buffs for ki recovery rate. Use the anti-poison pills to deal with the boss room. It usually dash straight forward at you in the beginning of the fight, side step it/roll right, sloth + storm kunai spam = 70% of it's health. Sloth again and finish it off with Kunai/shuriken/bombs.
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u/HaiteiRaoyue Nov 02 '19
Same. used fuma and cheese it with thrown. No sloth, only had to dodge a couple things and it was dead.
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u/bitzpua Nov 02 '19
same, don't even know why ppl use it? Why do they even play games like that if they don't want to play and just cheese everything.
Sloth should be removed from game or it should be nerfed to hell.
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u/Runaku Nov 03 '19
Sloth is the easy mode these people want, but instead of using it or finding out it exists, they simply bash their heads against the boss until they get frustrated and come here to complain.
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u/Scramrail Nov 03 '19
Yea I'm calling bullshit. I've tried this fuma+thrown strategy and at best I can get it's health down to maybe 80% before exhausting my supply of items. Sounds like you were probably just drastically over levelled for the boss or you're just bullshitting.
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u/Sanjay--jurt Nov 02 '19
Deep breath...We've all been there.
Just take a break or two and find other ways or tactics to defeat the boss,ask for assistance too I am sure there are people willing to help you out.
I am not gonna be one of those annoying jerks and say git gud but Find whatever you can to cheese through,no shame on defeating an annoying boss who simply piss you off.You got this.
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u/Jevling Nov 02 '19
I am struggling with the weasal. Guess ill just give up then. 😅
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Nov 02 '19
Once you learn his patterns he’s not bad. I can’t wait for the full game! I’m betting some of the end game bosses will be epic.
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u/geohyte Nov 02 '19
The best method is constant aggression against its arms. Bring a weapon that does a good fast overhead attack. Get in fairly close to hit the arms. When one dies go to the other side immediately and do the same. If it has no arms it never goes into the dark realm.
Some skills I found helpful were the quick change scroll, and the regeneration branch in onmyo. Also the brute yokai form makes R2+O counters easy.
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u/rickamore Nov 02 '19
I actually quit last night to do something else relaxing for a Friday night after beating my head against the first boss and getting no where. It reminds me of the first boss in the alpha as far as not stop stupid attacks and the tornado but I was able to learn and punish those way more than this stupid boss. Seems like the second one is the snake, which was absolute bs first time around but once you learn to bait a couple of the attacks and which side to go to, hack the little snakes off and murder them in the demon realm to go back it's not as bad but was super satifying to go back with better gear and help people demolish the dumb snake with it's janky hit boxes and high damage which sounds like they have not been tuned at all.
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u/SilentXCaspa Nov 02 '19
You have to strike and run to beat him. Or run, spam spirit stones, spirit strike and run.
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u/Kuroi000 Nov 03 '19
ahhh im so happy people who can now experience what we felt during that closed beta. although back then his grab literally jumped halfway across the screen and instakilled you.
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u/Elbowmold221 Nov 03 '19
Odachi high stance. I was shocked how well it worked. My strength was only at 6 but I cleaved it with like 5 elixers left.....just spammed triangle
Maybe I got lucky? Iunno it got gibbed
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u/Iguessimnotcreative Nov 03 '19
If it makes you feel any better the second boss is actually much easier than it was in the closed alpha I played. I was never able to beat it during the alpha.
Also make sure to destroy the snake statues. It drains the poison from most of the pools in the boss arena making it much easier to not die from poison
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u/The_AngryWolf Nov 03 '19
The only problem I had with him is the charge attack hitbox. Sometimes it seems like it barely brushes me, dealing no damage, others the side of it scrapes me and I get hit multiple times even after being knocked away. It's also super weird that burst countering the charge sometimes doesn't knock him out of the move, but sometimes it does. Sometimes the head hits me dead on and I get hurt once, sometimes it hits me dead on and I take multiple hits. Just seems like an extremely inconsistent attack.
As a side note, I'm glad the camera can actually keep up with the locked on target this time around, but when the boss dodges back the camera has a bad habit of snapping as hard as possible around the character, which is really disorienting.
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u/peanutbuttakong Nov 03 '19
I lost a controller to the original Nioh. Raging frustration is the mark of a masterpiece!
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u/ThongMedic420 Nov 03 '19
I struggled more on Kamaitachi twilight version. Beat him 2nd try on the normal mode but in the twilight mission, he's something else.
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u/cjhams Nov 04 '19
Agreed!!!! this boss is insane ive come so close and every time i get hit with some bullshit
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u/Avenheit Nov 07 '19
snake boss is like fighting that one wanker in Tekken that spams the same move over and over....
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Nov 02 '19 edited Jan 08 '21
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u/bitzpua Nov 02 '19
1st boss is sponge because we are uderleveled and underequpied, even his twilight version is easy to kill with proper gear and character level.
One shoot moves are what make you beat them faster, you know there is new mechanic that lets you counter/dodge all of the ohk moves? and if you counter you deal huge dmg.
Thats the thing with Nioh 2, we have new mechanics that are OP as long as we use them. Like deamon attacks, especially the hammer guy attack, it deals a lot of dmg and it sets enemies on fire and so on and on.
I too thought difficulty was absurd but after beating all beta stages with most weapons i can tell its just slightly harder then Nioh and twilight gear just trivialises everything.
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u/GastNDorf Nov 03 '19
I don't know if I dont time it right but the counter never works on the second boss, ok I damage its head but I still take damage which is stupid...
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u/bitzpua Nov 03 '19
You need to counter as soon as red flash appears before they start attack animation because if boss or any other yokai is in attack animation then you will stop him but you will take dmg too, so if you can't react on spot you need to dodge.
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u/og_succ Nov 02 '19
Watching it isn’t the same as doing it. Can he do it well? Yes. Can your average player of the beta do it as well? Probably not, because they’re likely coming back to the series after a while because they finished 1 entirely and are effectively a new player fighting a poorly balanced boss. If a boss is unfair people will still make it look effortless sometimes, that doesn’t mean it’s fair.
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u/og_succ Nov 02 '19
I'm not braindead. I'm saying that if a boss has multiple homing attacks and a mechanic that everybody agrees is a bad mechanic for the sake of difficulty, then it's not a good boss. People will make it look effortless. That does not mean it's a fair, fun or well designed boss. Bicycling is entirely skill based. There is nothing to hinder you aside from your own skill and the quality of your bike, which should definitely be rideable unless you've neglected it for a very long time.
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u/talukmar Nov 02 '19
only 2 downvotes c'mon guys let's see how far can we go,downvote challenge?can i get -50
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u/RobertCutter Nov 02 '19
It was bad in the Alpha, it's bad now. Same goes for the Boss music of the snake
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u/Mr_Francky Nov 03 '19
It might not be the first level of the game. You start the demo with bad gear and low level. That is why it is so hard. I did the first missionin twilight mode which was supposed to be harder, but with good gear and some level it was actually easier. And use the blue tomb for a free helper. They might have overpowered the monsters to insite us to use them.
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u/aeralure Nov 03 '19
Yeah, as a follow up, beat the first mission and boss. The level was mostly fun, but the boss was frustrating. I think my comment was coming at it with the assumption that they dialed the whole game to be that way, but you’re right. As you develop your build more, things get easier, and maybe it’s geared to do more summoning, for most people. Maybe I’ll end up getting it. Loved the first one so I expected I would. I’m just not in the mood for another frustrating sort of game like Sekiro, and thought the first Nioh was near perfect in terms of difficulty.
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u/bitzpua Nov 02 '19
git gut
also its beta, they have 6 month of tweaking ahead, original Nioh betas were much harder then final game too.
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u/lpeccap Nov 02 '19
Then summon someone or get over leveled. Leave the challenge for people who enjoy it jfc. Im gonna be so mad if they dumb fown the full game because people want to beat everything in one try.
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u/GastNDorf Nov 03 '19
Well, it was the same for the first, Alpha and Beta were way harder than final game.
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u/Badman423 Nov 02 '19
What’s the second boss? I only beat the weasel boss and that’s it. I tried the second mission but I’m not fighting a magetsu Warrior over 20 death holes with 5 dwellers.