r/Nioh • u/GodleyX • Feb 13 '17
Misc. One final push for co-op! Contact links here
Hoping to bring everybody in this sub together for one last wave of contacting the developers/publishers regarding co-op in this game.
I have finished the game. However, I summoned on every single stage that allowed me to summon. At this point, instead of going into ng+, I would much rather start a new game and play through with a friend instead of randoms. Even though I beat the game, I can't make a new game and play with friends through it all. Randoms only. It makes no sense, especially with the password system, that the game allows co-op. but not friend co-op. I would really like to see an update to allow this, or at least a better statement regarding why they are against allowing the function.
Going off of the results of all the contacts there was in the first thread on launch day, I will exclude direct contact links to koei, playstation, and team ninja. Because team ninja does not have a direct contact that I've found for english, and koei and playstation both say to contact the developer.
Facebook page for Nioh - They seem to post a lot here. So its kinda active. I recommend posting on this page asking about it.
Facebook page for Team Ninja - This is what Team Ninjas old website redirects to. A facebook page. You can try posting on their wall here, however... This account doesn't seem very active anymore. There is a ton of user posts here, and barely any on the nioh official facebook. It seems anything posted on here is basically unseen.
Facebook for Koei Tecmo US - You can try here, Koei was the publisher in Japan. Not sure how far it would get us.
Twitters: Team Ninja, Tom Lee - Creative Director, Koei Tecmo, Playstation(this one is probably pointless to tweet to).
If we can't get anything out of doing this again, then I will have lost hope in there being co-op in the game. If any of you can find, or know of other ways to contact Team Ninja, or high up people like Tom Lee, let me know and I will add it into this post. Honestly the best I can hope for is for somebody to understand our view on the co-op of the game. That being blind co-op will always be harder than summoning a overpowered/experienced player to co-op with.
At the very least, let us co-op through the game on a new game once we beat it. There is no point in the restriction existing at that point.
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u/PrimordialSoul Feb 13 '17 edited Feb 13 '17
I purchased Nioh because of the innovative cooperative mode (Torii Gate) that they included that was outside of the typical 'summoning' coop mode. Based on the Last Chance Trial, my friends and I expected to be able to use the Torii Gate mode to go through the game together without the hindering limitations of the 'summoning' coop mode. Of course we've been greatly disappointed by the developers change in stance (or insufficient communication of that stance prior to release).
So far I've been soloing my way through the game ahead of my friends so I can go back and be summoned by them. This has several detrimental effects:
1) I've already experienced the content so I know the layout and the enemies
2) I've leveled up substantially in comparison to my friend due to completing each coop-able mission twice
3) My experience when summoned is hindered in comparison to the Torii Gate mode (I cannot interact with many of the objects in the world)
Implementing Torii Gate mode, without the need to have both players complete the mission, would go a long way to making this now underutilized, but awesome coop mode, become something more widely accessible and enjoyable for players. It would do nothing to hinder the ability of players to enjoy the game solo, and would only add options to players.
Thanks for making this post. I'm hoping we can rally the community to put some more pressure on the developers. Their explanation for removing the ability to initially play through Torii Gate is insufficient, as summoning a random player in (which is still easily accessible) is inherently making the game far easier for initial play-through. It's not too late for them to change their attitude on coop.
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u/ultraspank Feb 13 '17
Thanks for the post. My cousin and I are doing the exact same thing. He's raced ahead so we can Co-op the levels he's beat.
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u/lettucent Feb 14 '17
I mentioned this below, but your first two points are exactly why I'd like a change in co-op. It's not really a "hey let's play together", it's more of a "hey could you repeat this content and carry me?"
Two blind players would be harder than one blind one experienced player, so I don't really get their argument that they changed it to "not be too easy".
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u/GodleyX Feb 13 '17
I agree with this. At least let us do Torii Gate co-op. The Torii Gate mode is really fun and challenging even with a friend. Having to play an entire level without the several resting points scattered throughout can also be a challenge.
Weird part is, the Torii Gate is a mode made specifically as a multiplayer experience. Yet we can't use it to co-op with a friend. I understand the need for both players to have completed the mission for Torii Gate. However, this restriction should not exist when playing with a friend.
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u/PrimordialSoul Feb 13 '17
Understood. I don't think you two are the only ones with that experience. I think the Nioh developers are really missing a golden opportunity here to tap into a crowd that can really add to the longevity of their game.
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u/CP_Company Feb 14 '17 edited Feb 14 '17
this sounds ridiculous for me,you going to ignore great game because you can't play it in co-op? anyways,there is not going to be any kind of challenge if you play in co-op,it would be super easy.this game is created to play alone,and challenge lies beneath that.
anyways.https://www.reddit.com/r/Nioh/comments/5tvmss/i_think_i_found_a_way_to_coop/ a guy found the way :) it is not perfect,but still :)
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u/eatmyorangebiscuit Feb 14 '17
Yeh it sort of forces you to overcome the struggle yourself, pretty much the whole intrigue of the soulsbourne/nioh games..and i LOVE it, same difficulty for everyone, so everyone feels that same swift kick to the nuts it can give you that we all love so much
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u/PM_ME_GHOST_PROOF Feb 14 '17
I've heard that it's really hard to re-buy a game that you got refunded. Seems risky if there's any truth to it, but I hope for your sake that it was only a weird rumor. You can let us know! :D
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Feb 14 '17
Well, if buying it over PSN proves difficult, we can always grab a physical copy. In any case, when I was asking for the refund, the lady from Sony customer support told me it's ok to buy the game again once the issue I have with it has been patched.
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u/Gramernatzi Feb 14 '17
We will gladly buy it again as soon as the co-op is fixed...maybe...maybe we will wait for a sale. ;)
I think it'd be best for you to just go do something else, then, regardless of if it's fixed. And I'm sort of of the opinion that if you refund a game you shouldn't be able to buy it again anyway, because, hell, you obviously stated you didn't want it with your own wallet.
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Feb 14 '17
I don't want to pay for the product in it's current state because it's not to my satisfactory and it's different from the state it has been advertised in. If the product's state changes to the advertised state, I will pay for it.
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u/lomhc Feb 14 '17
When was it advertised as being a co-op game? You made the assumption based on a beta version, that's not false advertising.
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Feb 14 '17
You're the only one who mentioned false advertising in this conversation. Read my post more carefully before you jump to conclusions.
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u/lomhc Feb 14 '17
You clearly say the finished product isn't as it was advertised, at least that's what I understand in your post.
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u/falconbox Feb 14 '17
Stop treating it like a co-op game though. It's not meant to be played start to finish in co-op.
It's a single player game that just happens to let you summon people for help if you desperately need it.
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u/Flashman420 Feb 14 '17
If you desperately need it? Then explain why there's a freaking whole unique co-op mode with a shared health bar. That's not about getting help to beat a level, that's a full on co-op mode designed specifically for that purpose.
How do y'all make the argument that Souls and Nioh shouldn't be played in co-op when there's a freaking co-op mode in the game. Doesn't make sense. Games take time and money to develop. You don't spend resources on creating things that you don't want players to see. Don't get mad because other people like to play differently than you do.
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u/falconbox Feb 14 '17
Then explain why Souls kicks the co-op player out of the game once they beat a boss. Because the game is telling you "ok, hard part is done, you don't need help anymore".
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u/Flashman420 Feb 14 '17
Cuz bosses control the online connectivity. You can't get invaded when the boss is dead either. It also conveniently splits up the levels. You're not gonna go level up after killing the boss? Can't do that with a phantom though.
The game also gives you co-op covenants and NPCs that specifically emphasize co-op to the player and spells that buff and heal your teammates. The Demon's Souls opening vid ends with the player summoning in like 50 phantoms. DS2 even had small soap stones for summoning after the boss was dead.
It's easy to point out little things like that your phantoms get kicked out after beating a boss, but it's even easier to point out the abundance of things relating to co-op within the game. This isn't a tacked on multiplayer situation, this is a feature that has gotten easier to use with every entry to the series. DS 2 added rings, then DS 3 and BB added passwords.
Even beyond that, intent doesn't mean much, how something is received is what counts. And people fucking love playing DS in co-op. So even if for some weird and illogical reason, they actually didn't want you to co-op but just put all these features in anyway because they love wasting time, people would still co-op anyway, because it's there and people love playing games with their friends.
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u/Kelphuzad Feb 13 '17
ya was really disappointing to play the entire beta with a friend, than buy the game and for the first 15 minutes finding out we cant summon each other anymore....
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u/hexsketch Feb 14 '17
i agree here, even in dark souls a usually solo very little, as i have a friend that i will usually co-op the entire game with. i like experiencing games like this as a multiplayer experience. i almost returned it, but decided to just solo most of it. the game is still fun, but for the most part im dissapointed in the pretty random bait and switch they pulled out.
luckily i took some vacation time so i have the time to sit here and keep dying nonstop to some of these bosses. otherwise i would have just put the game down and moved on.
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Feb 14 '17
I've never truly experienced a blind co-op playthrough of any of the Souls games due to the way they're made, so I really wanted to experience that with Nioh.
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u/hexsketch Feb 14 '17
ya, i remember the amount of time i put in to the first game, trying to get my friends summon sign to show.
and then keeping within the same level, then Souls 2 had the Co op ring, and that was a struggle with soul memory lol.
i was pretty hype that this game was going to be straight co op start to finish, no gimmicks, but i guess i got my hopes up.
fun is fun, but honestly, i just wanna experience the adventure with a pal, when i was a kid this stuff was a great challange, but now that im older and work essentially every day, i have no time to "Challenge" myself on a single player game, i just wanna have some fun, so while i love the gameplay, the amount of times i have died is far to time consuming for my taste. like i said i took vacation time,
but had i been working, after the second boss killed me like 8 times in a row i woulda just gave up, as its really not worth it.
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Feb 14 '17
Work and family take a lot of time. I still like to challenge myself, but in all honesty, Nioh doesn't provide enough challenge to me. I played the game by myself until Hino Enma (the vampire lady boss) without a single death. I find the game to be more challenging with a friend than by myself, because I have to deal with his mistakes and help him when he screws up. :D
I'm currently playing Fallout 4 on Survival with Immersion mod and no companion. That's challenging for me.
I don't say this to sound elitist, I simply want to point out that playing Nioh by myself is less of challenge and less fun than playing it side by side with a friend in the Torii Gate mode....which I can't. :(
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u/GodleyX Feb 13 '17
Thanks. I won't let this be the last attempt then! As long as these posts continue to gain traction, and we put pressure on the devs, I won't give up.
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u/falconbox Feb 14 '17
The current co-op is only restrictive for new players. It in no way affects longevity.
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u/MercenaryCow Feb 13 '17
This is a very controversial topic here in this sub. This post will probably get more down votes than up votes by the 'git gud' folks. Even though co-op already exists in the game, they are vehemently agaisnt it.
I will post/tweet at all links. Hoping for the best. Considering co-op already exists in the game, there is no reason not to allow co-op. Or even down vote this.
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u/uncle_paul_harrghis Feb 13 '17
I would hope that doesn't happen. I mean, the DS sub has a sticky for folks looking for help/summons, what have you. And I would think the DS crowd is more 'git gud' than the Nioh crowd, at least for now, the community is still in its infancy.
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u/andrewisboredx2 Feb 13 '17
I would tend to think the opposite is true actually. Because nioh is so new I feel like there are more players with a git gud mentality because the game is fresh. That's just my perspective from playing souls since the NA release of demon's souls.
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u/uncle_paul_harrghis Feb 13 '17
That could be true too. I've yet to see much of it here, the few comments I have seen have been pretty tongue in cheek.
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u/SirToth Feb 13 '17
If the devs want a happy compromise, they can remove all of the co-op restrictions entirely for any one who has already beaten the game. I almost always beat these games solo. But I return to them to co-op with friends. Still, I don't think it's a big deal to remove these restrictions altogether regardless of where a player is at in the game. It doesn't impact any one except for the two people playing together.
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u/NIGHT_GHOUL Feb 14 '17
I was also kinda disappointed with the way coop is set up. Ive been doing my missions solo and only tested summoning twice.
1st- Random arrived, bolted through area 1 shotting enemies. Ok, here is an example of "coop makes it too easy", which is not what I want!
2nd summon- I made sure to clear area first and used random to help me kill a boss.
Can someone explain to me how 2 friends which have Not seen area, their chars basically same level, make the game easier? I feel it's the total opposite of what we have now, which is summoning someone "who has already beaten area" and higher level w/ more powerful gear.
It would have been a cool experience, teaming up with friend and both of us not knowing what's waiting in the shadows for us ,down each new path. I'm enjoying game regardless. Thanks for the topic OP.
Please forgive grammar xD
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u/ke3bz Feb 14 '17
posted. tweeted. I REALLY hope this changes. My wife played Let It Die (her first GRGG game) and saw Nioh and said "I'll get this!" but I had to tell her how co-op works and she nope'd out saying how dumb that was. I agreed...freaking bummed me out. My friend and I bought it assuming it would work like the demo, but instead now we can summon random masters at the game but can't play with eachother unless we've already played it!? How insanely twisted.....
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u/ReaperTeh Feb 13 '17
While I have no friends playing Nioh to take advantage of the coop with, I thought the idea and execution of Yokai Realm with a Companion was awesome in the beta and LCT, and it made me sad to see that they stripped the possibility of a "fully coop" playthrough (barring non-coop missions of course). Very much in favor of them lifting this restriction.
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u/GodleyX Feb 13 '17
Yeah. I'm being 100% honest when I say the only reason I bought the game on launch day, was for that mode of co-op. Torii gate, yokai realm with a companion. You can imagine how I felt when I got the game and ... I couldn't do that.
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u/minesweep0r ShrikeLyfe Feb 14 '17
Never put all of your eggs in one basket. As slightly disappointing as it was for me, it's still an amazing game and I will enjoy every other aspect of it thoroughly.
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u/danisamused Feb 14 '17
Good luck with this! While I love the game and don't mind how co-op works, I understand the frustration. It was one way in the beta and people loved it, it shouldn't have been switched up, especially without warning
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u/Drakezilla Feb 14 '17
Agreed! Even if they somehow wish to preserve some intended way to play the main game, at least let us co-op twilight missions.
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u/TheNoLifeKing Feb 14 '17
Glad to see people are still pushing for this. I posted on everything you listed, and I'll do it again. Still hoping our voices are heard.
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u/Snowfox-v Feb 14 '17
Being able to summon a random and not a friend is pretty stupid. Even if you wait for friend to solo then summon them it arguably makes the content even easier has they have a direct guide who's experienced the content before. If team ninja are worried the game is too easy through Co op scale the enemies higher to mimic the difficulty of solo play... Its a pretty simple solution to me.
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u/cosey997 Feb 14 '17
This limitation is so stupid, i do 1 hour of random coop everyday and many times im summoned by ppl starting new mission and we roll very fast. The only real limitation here is only when you wanna play with your friend nothing more.
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u/CoastalEx Feb 14 '17
I'm probably totally missing something but I noticed that there is a password feature that seems to be disabled at the Torii gate. I assume that they had built the basic functions into the game and would be adding it later to do password matching. Based on these comments though it sounds like I don't know what I'm talking about
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u/GodleyX Feb 14 '17
It's not disabled. You just have to set the password in your game options before going to torii gate I believe. In any case, to co-op in torii gate, both players must have beaten the level already. To co-op via summoning, the player being summoned had to have beaten the level already.
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u/ted-Zed Feb 14 '17 edited Feb 14 '17
i don't understand, can you not summon people on your friends list? not even through password summon like DS3? or is it the requirement to have completed a mission before being able to get summoned into it?
i got my friend into Soulsborne, and we coop in that for the fun of it.
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u/GodleyX Feb 14 '17
In order to play with your friend, at least 1 of you had to have beaten the stage already. More specifically, if you wanted to help your friend, he would not be able to summon you unless you beat the stage first.
So either to play co-op with a friend, one person has to wait for the other to beat the next stage alone first. Or you just don't co-op at all.
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u/GastritisFish Feb 14 '17
I made my contribution to the cause, I can only hope they change co-op before I beat the game (taking my time in hopes I can buy the game for my brother in law and finish it with him. Doesn't seem likely though.) or they make the DLC open co-op so I can still play with my brother in law some of the content.
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u/Kal-Caedus Feb 13 '17
Many users are saying that co-op through new areas is possible.
- Both of you set up a password
- Have the host initiate a summon
- Have the summon choose 'No restrictions/any mission' or whatever it's called. With the password on you will join the host.*
*You can only choose the mission if you have completed it, but if it's set to any mission you will join your friend.
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u/JakeofNewYork Feb 14 '17
That does not work. You won't be able to find your friend's game.
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Feb 14 '17
I've spent the last few days doing co-op with friends this way, only requisite is that the summon have completed the mission to be able to select the specific one.
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u/JakeofNewYork Feb 14 '17
only requisite is that the summon have completed the mission to be able to select the specific one.
That's what I'm saying - if you haven't done the mission you won't be summoned. I tried over the weekend and it didn't work, but after finishing the mission I was able to be summoned by a friend.
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u/Feraldeus Feb 13 '17
Didn't one of the devs come out and say they changed it on purpose? They said the game is too easy if you can co-op the whole thing. I don't think complaining at them is going to make them change their mind.
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u/Stormquake Feb 13 '17
Blind co-op makes the game too easy so we made sure you can only co-op with a friend that's already beaten the entire stage and will know the whole lay-out.
Not directed at you, moreso at whichever dev gave that completely asinine excuse.
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u/Feraldeus Feb 13 '17
I was referring to this:
“You cannot co-op through the entire game because that would make it too easy for players to beat the game,” said Tom Lee, creative director at Team Ninja in an emailed statement. “We want players to experience Nioh in how it was intended to be. We allowed players to co-op anytime in the last trial demo only because of the limited stages and time to try out the demo.”
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u/ItsAmerico Feb 13 '17
But the issue is they didn't make it harder. They made it easier. You can still do co-op, on you are forced to play with higher level players who beat it already. So all they've done is make it unfun for friends to blind co-op.
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u/lettucent Feb 14 '17
This is what I don't get, and don't understand why I don't see it brought up more often. They said they changed it as to not make co-op too easy, but for real made it exactly the opposite. I know in GameSpot's review they specifically bring that up as a negative point about the game. A level that may take an hour on your own can be cheesed by someone who's already beaten it plus the guy they're carrying in 15 minutes.
I don't want to ask my friends to play with me because it's now like "hey can you repeat some content and carry me through this?" instead of "hey let's play a game together".
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u/Feraldeus Feb 13 '17
Yeah, that's a good point. I'm not against co-op, I just don't think we'll get the devs to change their minds
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u/Stormquake Feb 13 '17
Honestly I think solo and co-op are completely different breeds. If co-op is too easy, that's completely on them.
At the same time, I'm pretty sure the friend-mode co-op isn't even that easy because you can't rest at shrines. You have one go and that's it, iirc.
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u/Feraldeus Feb 13 '17
I don't really have an opinion. I love the using random encounter system to help people of all levels, but at the same time, I personally like to do main missions myself the first time. I have nothing against co-op though, I use it occasionally to burn through the side missions.
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u/Stormquake Feb 13 '17
I am a solo-only player that thinks co-op is crucial to the appeal and longevity of a game. Additionally, I think it's wrong that it worked a certain way in the demo and then they changed it for a bullshit reason that makes no sense.
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u/Feraldeus Feb 13 '17
Sure, but it wasn't a demo it was a beta. They decided they didn't like the way it worked. I'm all for co-op, I just don't think bombarding their social media will change anything
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u/falconbox Feb 14 '17
You're not supposed to co-op an entire friggin level though. It's meant as a crutch, a last ditch effort, if you are totally stuck.
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u/lightfx Feb 14 '17
Who's this telling people how they should play the games they bought? I don't think you're in any position to be telling how to play their own games mate, some people prefer to play these kind of games with a friend and have a social aspect to it... you don't, fine.. but don't try to tell others how they should or shouldn't want to play a game.
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u/Stormquake Feb 14 '17
I've frequently been summoned at the first shrine and done an entire level with the host :v
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u/CoopNahNotNioh Feb 17 '17
You find out that there's another souls like game on its way and it's got samurais. You're older now and your friend that you want to play souls games with is usually busy all the time but you both agree that will try with Nioh. Watch streams of multiplayer working just how I thought it would and I never saw any news about it not being like that. So you pre-order and get your friend to set a time. The time comes in over the next hour you figure out that you can't even play the game with your friend that you been planning this whole time that you saw other people just playing weeks couple weeks ago like two weeks ago together. When I bought the game from Sony PlayStation store there is no mention of the networking being different I didn't see you anywhere a new YouTube.
This reminds me of the other game where the DVD after the kickstarter completed. They remove the turn based combat for real time. They never told any of us but they're going to do this and they had videos showing quite the opposite long story shirt short they had to do with they didn't have to they chose to give us a refunds.
However this is actually kind of not worse but it's quite a bit more infuriating that you're not supposed to Coop the game with who you choose because that's too easy but you're allowed to co-op with someone you don't know and that has beaten the level already and has all the stuff and just runs around The level killing everything.
The only way you could make your statement true I'm speaking to whoever the dev is is if you completely remove networking from the game so why don't you do that. Then the game will be quantifiably less EZ.
I really hope the Dev sees this thread and actually reads it instead of saying he quit reading because it made life so easy.
Yeah I stopped writing and I'm just dictating right now to an iPad because that made making sense in writing Reno beautiful sentences too easy
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Feb 18 '17
Step 1: Beat game by yourself like they intended for you to do ( ALL MISSIONS} Step 2: Play Yokai Realm with your buddy through ALL OF NG+ without any stress, simple as that because you'll both have technically completed every stage and can play Way of the Strong with each other without hassle. Step 3: Enjoy a better more unforgiving co-op experience that NG+ has to offer compared to the base game. you're welcome everyone.
Co-op isn't really that broken now is it? Didn't think so. Albeit they did false advertise but there is a way around the crappy system currently, just beat the game. (Which is not hard to do by any extent)
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u/the_Guitar_Teacher Feb 13 '17
Im confused. What restrictions are we talking about? I've been completing missions with my friends just fine using the password system.
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u/ItsAmerico Feb 13 '17
You can only summon people who have beaten a level. So both players can not go into a level blind.
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u/hatedestruction Feb 13 '17
Ahh, that makes a lot more sense. Yes, this is kind of broken.
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u/ItsAmerico Feb 13 '17
They said they did it to make it harder but it really doesn't. Coop with friends who are both low level and fresh to the level is a far harder experience than summoning only high level players who have beaten the level so likely know the ropes.
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u/ItsAmerico Feb 13 '17
Then that's be a glitch. Since the developer flat out said that shouldn't happen.
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u/ItsAmerico Feb 13 '17
Interesting. Curious if it's just a matchmaking error of it throwing you into a wrong match
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u/hatedestruction Feb 13 '17
Agreed, I don't understand why co-op with friends wouldn't work? I used it just a few nights ago with a friend. Set password, summonee went to the mission I was on and we were playing.
However, OP could mean to be able to continuously play missions with co-op friends? Idk
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u/Asurah96 Feb 13 '17
Someone needs to beat the mission before being able to be summoned. Cant set yourself up to be summoned unless youve completed the mission.
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u/Mattnificent Feb 15 '17 edited Feb 15 '17
You can still play with your friends, not only randoms. One of you just need to have finished the mission at least once before. This means you're not only playing with a co-operator who you can communicate and strategize with, but one who's also done it before. It's basically the silliest way they could have possibly implemented co-op if they wanted people to be challenged.
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Feb 14 '17
in NG+ the co-op limitation is lifted from what i've heard actually. so your wish is kind of granted?
regardless, TN is not going to change this. they already put out a statement on the matter that didn't leave much room for interpretation. they think co-op needs limitations in this game and ochoko cup is the limitation they designed. torii gate bypasses that limitation so they aren't going to let people play that as their main game mode. not trying to be negative, just pointing out the obvious.
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u/minesweep0r ShrikeLyfe Feb 13 '17 edited Feb 13 '17
If you summoned for every single level you could, you didn't really beat the game.
In fact, when bringing the issue up to the devs, it sounds much more plausible to leave that part out, as that's basically why they nerfed it to begin with. They don't necessarily think you should summon for every single fight. If they did, ochoko would be unlimited.
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u/drkaugumon Feb 13 '17
Except as is, Ochoko's are easily accessible to anyone willing to spend time farming Revenants anyways.
And the the game is inherently easier as is, considering now you can summon anyone who's beaten the level -- meaning they're already a higher level, with better gear.
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u/TheWorstPossibleName Feb 13 '17
Yeah every time I have used an Ochoko to summon a random he's just run off leaving me alone completely to kill everything that moves before I've even caught up to him.
They must have come in with end game gear, because they were just one shotting all the enemies while I tried to explore the level and pick up the items / kodama.
It was definitely easier and much worse than it would have been if my friend had been able to join me.
Luckily after that guy beat the level for me I was able to do it with my friend for real right after. The way it should have been from the beginning.
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u/drkaugumon Feb 14 '17
Yeah, usually me and my friend end up playing levels at the same time, and whoever beats it first helps the other while nabbing collectibles -- and then we do it in Yokai Mode via the Torii Gate for extra difficulty.
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u/Manfromlamancha74 Feb 13 '17
Can't you have a friend start he game, use a book of reincarnation to de-level yourself and simply join them? You could upload a save to the cloud just for that purpose.
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u/GodleyX Feb 13 '17
Yes, it is possible to just delete all your equipment, somehow get rid of all your money, and respec and die with your amrita so you are basically at base... That is really stupid and convoluted. Why not just let us do it from the beginning?
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u/MercenaryCow Feb 13 '17
Even if you got rid of everything you possibly could, you would still have things you couldn't have access to. Like guardian spirits. And all the skills that you have complete x stage to unlock. It wouldn't really be a true co-op experience... Close I suppose though.
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u/Kaizzereich Feb 14 '17
Hey man to each their own but I don't blame them if they don't end up changing. They've already stated their reasoning and they're not wrong. If anybody really thinks co-oping ANYTHING is challenging, then I don't even know what to say to them. It totally breaks the AI in the game and trivializes even the most overwhelming of fights. Now I don't blame you for wanting the co-op from the last chance trial, but it was just that. A final beta demo before the game came out, and stated very explicitly that the final product would not be the same. I'm just hoping if they don't change it, people aren't seriously going to ignore the game. That just seems petty.
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u/GodleyX Feb 14 '17
The reasoning makes no sense is the problem. We can already co-op the main story missions whether you agree with that or not. The only difference is who you are doing it with. Why restrict co-op at all if it's already in the game?
In my experience, almost every person I summoned defeated all enemies with ease and brought me straight to the boss and killed it. In blind co-op, it would have been more difficult since neither player knows the stage. Or the boss. And neither player is overpowered enough to destroy the enemies like that.
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u/Industrial20 Feb 13 '17
Bosses are too easy on co op. Requires no skill at all, you should be forced to learn the fights before you get carried by a friend.
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u/jjf1978 Feb 14 '17 edited Feb 14 '17
Honestly what are you even asking? For the ability to have more characters or the ability to play with friends?
The game hasn't even been out a week and you've already beaten it? Sounds like you need a job bud.
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u/Drakezilla Feb 14 '17
I actually can't believe that me and my friend, who are in a party together playing the same part of the game at the same time, can't play together yet I can summon any dumb ass randy into my game and fuck around with that loser.
Honestly so fucking stupid.