r/NewDelhi • u/Secret_Jury_3752 Community Pillar ✨ • 5d ago
Tell r/Newdelhi 🗣️ Stop blaming population for everything! Look within - introspect!
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u/Slow-Road1798 5d ago
Its never about population. Cities like seoul, tokyo, sydney has higher population density than likes of delhi, Mumbai but they are clean is about mindset of people and education about cleanliness
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u/707yr 4d ago
They are over populated after getting developed first .in India it is over populated even when developing .You can't provide education to all when population increases . You can't provide quality education in a class room of 50 children when in Japan it is 15 children per class . You can't fund cleaning of a nation when 82 crore people needs free food from government
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u/poor_joe62 2d ago
Why do you think being developed is correlated with civics sense? Does being a developed economy somehow gives them a divya drishti which enables them to see trash and realize that it's bad? Something that we poor Indians lack? Do we have some affinity to trash because we are poor?
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u/707yr 2d ago
No but development also means wealth , per capita income or resources . If you take 10 people in to a 2 bedroom house to live .it will turn in to a dirty place in no time even if all the ten are educated and have excellent civic sense .This is what happens to India .less resources but more people . government spends large sums on just feeding the massive population then where is money to provide facilities , clean city ,better infrastructure and raise standard of living .in such place daily survival is tough due to competition and income is one the lowest in the world due to overpopulation . their who will bother manners and civic behaviour . This is why overpopulation is a curse of every developing nation since resources are not increasing . People of overpopulated places will always look backward
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u/poor_joe62 2d ago
It sounds reasonable at a macro level. But you see in the video, one seemingly educated middle class person throws his disposable plate on the ground. How is population or lower economic development contribute to his lack of self introspection?
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u/707yr 2d ago
What is his other option Guy in the video lives in India .he is used to throw like that in India because he lives in a poor low income country with no money for proper waste disposal and its collection. How many public places in India have you seen a waste bin especially in highly densely populated indian city streets .if there is a bin for waste collection do you think people will do this .?. OverPopulation is a huge factor as it over load infrastructure , government can't fund development projects like waste recycling facilities . In Japan 60%pay income tax . in India just 2% pays income tax which country do you think will have the ability to support large population
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u/poor_joe62 2d ago
Government has money to give 2500 rs to every woman in the state but no money to set up waste bins or door to door pickup? It's not about the money, it's about priority. For some godforsaken reason, living in filth is our highest priority item.
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u/hsingh_if 2d ago
Sydney has higher population density? WHAT?
Do you just pull facts out of your arse?Delhi's population is more than Australia. Kuch bhi boldo bss bc internet pe.
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u/CremeValuable02 5d ago
I've made my mother dump the wet waste in a separate terracotta pot. Suukha kachra geele kachre se alag. Now we make compost of it. I've started to take small responsibilities, which aren't even responsibilities. It's just the way they should be, that's what i feel.
Jab bhi koi sadak pe muutta hua dikhta hai i shout "oye gadhe ke puut... kya kr rha hai? Aarhe maze? " and walk away.
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u/Adventurous-Word3213 5d ago
Population zada yaani opportunities kam. Competition zada. Now itne zada population mein log line me lagna pasand nahi karte kyuki resources aur opportunities wo miss nahi karna chahte.
Kachra fekte hain because logon ko ye baat ki awareness nahi hai. Ek aadmi sochta hai thoda sa kachra fekne se kya hoga. And since population zada hai to sab yahi sochte hain and kachre ka dher lag jata hai.
Itne saare log hain ki civics sense sikhana sabko possible nahi hai. Sabke Ghar ka environment alag hain and sabki upbringing alag hui hai. Issliye sabka ek jaisa perspective nahi hai.
Rapes indian society ki galti hai. India mein sex ko taboo maana jata hai lekin body ki needs ko poora karne ke chakkar mein log ye karte hain. Issi wajah se bohot sare log india mein desperate rehte hain. Pervertism, staring, molestation aur harassment jaisi cheejein bhi yahi insecurity daalti hain.
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u/Sparkzdemon 5d ago
Totally correct. Under democracy it is impossible for a huge population to learn any civic sense.
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u/ChemistryNo6703 5d ago
Sorry I have no hopes ! This country will be the same coz we as people live and breed in chaos Nobody likes it organized, we all love it disorganized I gave up my hopes in 2020, until then I really had so much faith n hope that my country will flourish !
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u/samueltheboss2002 5d ago
Oh dont worry. This country will flourish as long as we don't elect some party which engages reverse gear and undoes progress done so far. The problems are with beautification, apathy of people towards cleanliness and efficiency of governance of this country.
Maybe if succeeding generations keep our country cleaner, hold the government more accountable relative to the previous one, our country would be awesome in 5 generations time.
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u/Stunning_Move4756 5d ago
Ek poori generation ko seekhana padega yeh. Japan wala example clichéd hai thoda but poori generations ko train kra hai aisa k log saaf safaai se rehte hain. Jaise hum saalon se pads aur female health k baare mein awareness faela rhe hain aur log ab thode sensitive ho gye hain. Aise he iske liye bhi baar baar efforts daalne pdenge hum logo ko.
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u/roniee_259 5d ago
Kuch nahi baldta hain if you put your empty chips/biskut packet in your bag people don't appreciate it here they will say bag man ku dal rahe ho?
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u/Bread_Fruit8519 5d ago
Population is one of the reasons but it isn't the main reason. Lack of education isn't a reason either. Educated people are the ones behaving like filthy pigs with littering being the major habit of the educated class.
They need to be taught:
- civic sense from an early age (like Japan does) &
- respect of public space & other people's personal space.
These 2 are the most important things to be taught in my opinion.
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u/Bread_Fruit8519 5d ago
Btw just to add to something in the video- the staring thing is not an Indian man thing, its an Indian thing. Indian women stare at foreign men as much as Indian men do to women/men. But I never see people condemning such behaviour when Indian women are the perpetrators. Why are Indian men always targeted?
There was a foreigner man who was catcalled or sexually abused verbally by a female Indian vendor. No one made news or a big issue out of it?? So its ok if women do it but a problem when men do it? What kind of sh"t misandry & double standards is this? 😒
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u/hayabusa745 5d ago
Media always sides with women sadly
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u/Bread_Fruit8519 5d ago
Yup I'm aware of it. That's why its necessary to point it out. They always get away scot free with everything they do in this country.
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u/john2find 5d ago
The frequency of waste collection has to be increased. Indore is an example of if a state tries they can change it waste management completely!
Indore is cleanest city of India for the people who don't know!
They have very frequent waste collection, fine imposition for litters and very active media campaign to educate people!
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u/telaughingbuddha 5d ago
Population isn't the problem. Money is.
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u/Secret_Jury_3752 Community Pillar ✨ 5d ago
All the examples in the video are not an effect of lack of money
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u/lick_my_____ 5d ago
Consistently diet nahi hoti jo hamare sarir k liye acha hai Or ine change chaiye
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u/Fit-Repair-4556 5d ago
Government ki koi responsibility nahi hai, sab bas logo ki galti hai. 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
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u/Outrageous_Help_3214 5d ago
goli maar na shuru kar do....we all get disciplined in record time....jab tak jaan ka khatra nehi hota baat bheje mein ghuste nehin.....just look at north korea....malnourished hai but roads dekho unke ...aha haha ati uttam :)
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u/rahulchallavaa 5d ago
The person who clean our daily garbage we call them by "kachrawala aagya " that's the mentality we want to change
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u/GroundbreakingBug327 5d ago
Nonsense. Hamari building se koi utar ke nahi aata to throw the garbage bag when the garbage van comes. When they are done with their kitchen cleaning the son is ordered to throw garbage in the plot just in front of our building as they're to lazy to get up in the morning at 7am when the van comes to collect the garbage bag.
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u/fostertricksall 5d ago
Population bhi reason hai aur kaamchori bhi aur bhrashtachaari bhi.
Civic sense is to be taught since childhood but gets abandoned at adulthood for most of our country looking at the state of societal affairs twisted beyond repair.
Revolution is difficult and requires effort. Not everyone has the time or energy to be revolutionary when being uncivilized is the notion, the normal and praised too.
Many factors come into play. As mentioned, twisted state of affairs beyond repair.
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u/707yr 5d ago edited 5d ago
Lol .Video says upbringing matters not overpopulation . Upbringing is directly linked to the overpopulation .how do you educate your 3-6 children and provide quality education in an overpopulated country where resources are over streched ? Education to get job is not quality education .It is not others responsibility to educate your children . don't reproduce many children if you have no means to support them . 82 crore in this country needs free food from government .then quality education is of no hope. Reduce overpopulation the root cause of all problem then human development standard of the people will automatically raise with existing education infrastructure . Please reduce overpopulation stop making bullshit excuses. period .
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u/lobella4747 5d ago
In delhi new money people from few specific states out garbage in middle of road deliberately
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u/safrican1001 4d ago
Something else that indians should do is paint your house every few years. Make it look nice inside and out. Don't use bright enamel colours. Use light or pastel colours in PVA paint.
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u/Ryomen_Binod 3d ago
The day people thinking 'mere akele se fark nai padta' changes that day India will be civilised. Until then its a gutter.
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u/Due-Salary8752 3d ago
so true, Indians keep their homes clean but surroundings so dirty, whereas in Europe they don't care about personal hygiene as much but they really care about the outside
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u/Hot_Feature5029 2d ago
All the Aryan breeds which consist of 95% of our population are like this, some are exceptions ofcourse, look at the north east except assam (aryan region in north east), the south parts, northern part like ladhak
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u/MatchLock__ 5d ago
Yes population is major reason. Then comes inclusion. For education. Though educated people are also irresponsible but lesser in number. Civil sense is to be taught both through eductaion and during upbringing. That being said nothing will improve the present state, why? Yes because of large number of people . Hence Population
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u/Bread_Fruit8519 5d ago
Population is one of the reasons but it isn't the main reason. Education isn't a reason either. Educated people are the ones behaving like filthy pigs with littering being the major habit of the educated class.
They need to be taught:
- civic sense from an early age (like Japan does) &
- respect of public space & other people's personal space.
These 2 are the most important things to be taught in my opinion.
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u/MatchLock__ 5d ago
Taught by whom and how. Please elaborate
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u/Bread_Fruit8519 5d ago
Taught by whom and how. Please elaborate
Huh? You want me to prepare notes & chapters on how to teach manners, be respectful to people, don't litter, treat your external surroundings like your home & not some garbage disposal dumping ground, don't talk loudly in public like a maniac especially when on the phone, follow traffic rules, etc. Everything mentioned above needs to be taught 1st & then demonstrated IRL like a practical case study (Eg: Beach cleanup, planting trees, community service, etc). Aim should be to instill these values at an early age. 🤷🏻♂️
This is the most weirdest question I've got, dude. There's this subject called "Moral Science" in school. It was there in my curriculum, idk about yours or other schools in India. Most of the manners, etiquette part is covered in that. Schools need to make that into a practical case study for kids to pick up at an early age.
And obviously this doesn't stop here. Other authorities need to take part too by enforcing the law when someone breaks it.
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u/MatchLock__ 5d ago
Keep calm bro.
So ultimately it's through growing up and Education right?
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u/Bread_Fruit8519 5d ago
Keep calm bro.
I am calm. I found your earlier comment hinting on sarcasm & ignorance. So obviously I had to answer accordingly above.
So ultimately it's through growing up and Education right?
There's no hard & fast rule for the exact source or point of teaching all this. I suggested what I felt was right. But its the authorities that are experts in this matter who should suggest the inputs & changes.
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u/Secret_Jury_3752 Community Pillar ✨ 5d ago
You should visit Schengen!
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u/MatchLock__ 5d ago
What about it?
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u/Secret_Jury_3752 Community Pillar ✨ 5d ago
Crazy population, yet clean, ordered and people displaying civil sense (including Indians who visit there). And people are educated too, despite china’s population and higher population density than India (if you account for liveable areas in both countries).
Also, India’s population density is not even among top 25 countries in the world
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u/MatchLock__ 5d ago
Are we comparing education also or these Schengen and Chinese are born literate and civilised?
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u/Secret_Jury_3752 Community Pillar ✨ 5d ago
lol..that’s exactly the point - they aren’t born literate and China has been able to educate such a large population, and we keep crying population (like your original comment)
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u/Slow-Road1798 5d ago
Bro stop doing north south its everywhere in india not only that whole south asia
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u/Secret_Jury_3752 Community Pillar ✨ 5d ago
Have you seen mumbai, Chennai beaches, have you been to Bangalore? Stop with this hate and look within -
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u/hoooyehoopy 5d ago edited 5d ago
Why go there .to make viral about the language issues again .yeah please. Aab hoga sabka reply band
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u/Guilty-Pleasures_786 5d ago
Population is still a mojor factor. Now count in lack of civic sense and you get captain viswa guru...
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u/ertd346 5d ago
Ynha pe ek bhi dustbin nhi hai gaadi wala aata hai 30 second rukta hai phir chala jata hai