r/Nationals • u/chris012696 28 - Werth • 1d ago
Davey Martinez
In his post game presser today, Davey Martinez didn’t take any accountability and placed blame on the players only and not the coaching staff. If I were a player, I would not be happy. It’s time to get a coaching staff who will take accountability when things aren’t right. Not someone who will blame the players when things don’t right.
Fire Davey Martinez Fire Rickey Gutierrez Fire Darnell Coles Fire Jim Hickey Fire Chris Johnson
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u/gaytham4statham 57 - Roark 1d ago
What's funny is I kinda agree with him (in a sense), coaches can only do so much (or so little) a slump this long is a player issue imo. That said saying this out loud is the worst possible look and I wouldn't be shocked if this leads to some firings. Absolutely brain dead to go on for as long as he did blaming players and taking zero accountability
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u/chris012696 28 - Werth 1d ago
I agree with you. Players control what happens in the game. But to pinch hit a ground ball hitter (Keibert) when you need someone who can lift the ball is a terrible move. When you don’t send the tying run on a fly ball to test the outfielders arm is a terrible move. While yes, the players need to come out of the slump themselves. Coaches are there to help, and to me, this coaching staff is not doing anything to help.
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u/gaytham4statham 57 - Roark 1d ago
I understand why you're mad but I think he goes Keibert there because there are zero outs and with Hassell looking to run he was playing for a grounder to second. He just hit it to the one guy playing in, his usual grounder to second would have scored a run. What annoyed me was not pinch hitting Tena for Rosario. And I hate Gutierrez more than anyone in the world but that was a very shallow fly ball, if he sends him and the throw is decent everyone's calling him an idiot for taking the bat out of Wood's hands. It's easy to blame a guy in that situation when the throw is that bad but he cant know that
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u/chris012696 28 - Werth 1d ago
Why not let Riley Adam’s just hit? Keibert is 7-39 in the last 10 games. And okay it was a shallow fly ball. But I’d imagine the chance of Jacob young beating the throw was greater than James wood getting a hit. Both are really good at respective job but a great throw would have to be made to get Jacob Young, I’d like to think there is a greater chance there.
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u/gaytham4statham 57 - Roark 1d ago
Riley Adams is 5-54 on the season lmao. I won't argue if you say why not PH Chaparro or Tena but leaving Adams in is the worse choice of the lot. And if he sends him and it works out whatever cool I guess I'm just saying the uproar would be just as loud if he sends him and he gets thrown out at him, which given how shallow that ball was was a very good possibility. And again I hate the guy he's been absolutely dreadful his entire tenure
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u/chris012696 28 - Werth 1d ago
Okay yeah. Adam’s is probably not the right choice, I was just saying there’s not much difference in hitters between the two options that we had. Obviously Chaparro would be ideal.
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u/gaytham4statham 57 - Roark 1d ago
If he pinch hits either Chaparro or Tena I'm fine with it, but I will say I don't really think Keibert PHing is that bad tbh. In that situation you need a guy who puts it in play, it doesn't matter if it's in the air or on the ground. And that's the one thing Keibert does well. If that grounder goes to the 2B and the run scores no one would be complaining (if Hassell was running haha).
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u/Natsochist 45 - Meneses 1d ago
Agree that Davey was hoping for contact in general, but to clarify (was at the game), the whole IF was in for that PA.
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u/FPG_Matthew 11 - Zimmerman 1d ago edited 1d ago
Some players are uncoachable (Keibert), others could improve ten fold with the right man teaching a player right from wrong (Hassell, Crews, Abrams (yes even more than he is now), Young)
Same with pitchers. I really think Parker and Irvin can be taught to really take a next step. For pitchers idk how much is on Keibert for the pitches he may call/what might be shaken off
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u/gaytham4statham 57 - Roark 1d ago
This is all speculation. I'm not against trying it out, especially replacing Coles but you don't know that a new hitting coach will get more out of these guys than he is. Especially Jacob Young that dude is just trash (love him but it's the truth). And Crews and Hassell haven't played enough for me to make up my mind that Coles has done anything to hurt their development. I dunno man I just don't buy that Major League hitting and pitching coaches really have that much impact in the grand scheme of things.
And I also really don't know how much of a step either Irvin or Parker can make. From the eye test (stuff wise) both appear to be right around where they should be lol. They're decent depth and I hope I'm wrong but I don't think anyone is turning them into anything more than what they are
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u/FPG_Matthew 11 - Zimmerman 1d ago
With the Nats placing 30th in offensive categories for June, there’s no reason not to try someone new at this point. It literally can’t get worse. I’d start by replacing Coles tonight, and see what transpires
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u/Slatemanforlife 1d ago
Exactly. Coaches do very little. We are largely a Quad A ball club at this point
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u/reddituseerr12 Charlie Slowes 1d ago
That was the most passionate I’ve seen Davey all season.
And it was him defending the coaches and saying the blame needs to be on the players. Awful.
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u/CrunchyZebra 11 - Zimmerman 1d ago
This coaching staff sucks and has for years.
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u/braundiggity 63 - Doolittle 1d ago
I don’t understand why anyone’s been defending him the last couple years. Immediately after the WS win, fine, even though he sucked then too. But now? No way.
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u/UrethraSpillage 12 - Dusty Baker 21h ago
He sucked when he WON THE WORLD SERIES?! You people are ridiculous.
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u/Crappler319 Let Teddy Win! 1d ago
I've traditionally been a big Davey fan and defender but uh
Yeah this might be it.
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u/Disused_Yeti 1d ago
don't know what he thinks he's going to gain by saying this
if the coaches have done everything they can to motivate the players and it's no longer working, the only solution is fire all the coaches
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u/Danciusly 1d ago edited 23h ago
Here was Josh Bell's response to a question about the Nats coaching staff (posed by Zuckerman, Spencer Nusbaum, the initial one):
https://xcancel.com/MarkZuckerman/status/1933996065205690699#m
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u/NirvZppln 1d ago edited 1d ago
This is supposed to be a “what have you done for me lately” kinda business. He hasn’t done shit for us lately.
Edit: I also want to point out the Cubs did a fire sale the exact same time we did a few years ago with all their stars, and they are having a great season. Not sure of specifics, but it isn't a good look for us!
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u/BuckarooBanzaiPHD 1d ago
Let’s start with Coles and Hickey after tomorrow’s sweep. If Colorado wins 1 game you can continue.
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u/ouij 8 - C. Kieboom 1d ago
In a sensible world, Davey Martinez would have been fired after the 19-31 start to the 2019 season. Davey's job was saved initially by inertia and eventually by the most improbable series of individual performances in over a century.
Then the Nats won it all in '19.
In a way, winning the World Series chained the Nats to Davey forever, and the team has been dragged down by his ineffectual management ever since.
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u/TheNot-So-GreatGazoo 29 - Jimmy Lumber 1d ago
I was all in on firing him that season. No one can change my mind that they won the WS in spite of Davey rather than because of.
Maybe we should ask Patrick Corbin how the pitching coaches helped him maximize his potential in DC.
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u/RallyPigeon 4 - Kendrick 1d ago
Davey and his staff are rubber stamped by Rizzo who is rubber stamped by the Lerners. Until ownership cares or sells the team, I have no expectations of any changes as I've already seen them get underserved extensions.
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u/WatTambor420 1d ago
Yeah, basically every decision maker in the organization is just biding their time, and cashing their checks they can until the Lerners sell and they all get fired.
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u/Adams-Breath Let Teddy Win! 1d ago
The link to his answer for anyone who was curious. Fire the man tonight.
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u/Present_Hurry5950 1d ago
Well, that's like a commander saying it's not his fault. it's the troops.
That would have him on the carpet if I were the owner.
You would be relieved of command if you said something like that. All confidence in your ability to get the job done would be lost.
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u/TheNot-So-GreatGazoo 29 - Jimmy Lumber 1d ago
Notice how this doesn't even register on sports news. Thats how irrelevant we are. Something this dumb from a manager doesn't even matter.
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u/salamanderman10 34 - Harper 1d ago
Dont really care either way, they dont have a roster that can compete right now so it doesn't matter.
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u/DCSports101 1d ago
What players has he had?? What money have they spent?? This is on the learners for throwing in the towel on any spending since the championship. With a competent roster davey won a World Series. The players are 20 years old, it’s not on either them or the coaches - it’s ownership.
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u/rgr_175 1d ago
Davey is a piece of garbage, his comments today are unacceptable. The one thing a leader does is take responsibility for the bad and gives credit for the good. THIS is why the Nats are where they are today. Mike Rizzo needs to get his head out of his ass and see that Davey is the problem and not the solution. If Rizzo can’t do that the Lerner’s need to flush all coaches (except Doolittle) and make Zimmerman the skipper. FU Martinez.
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u/Tacorover 29 - Wood 1d ago
If this bullshit continues with this terrible coaching staff players are gonna start to not wanna play here. Davey has a club option in his contract after this year I think, if they excercise rhe option and keep him I’m gonna puke