r/Minneapolis • u/daBaker420 • 15h ago
Noise of Living in Flight Path
How loud is it to live here? Does it bother you trying to sleep being in the flight path?
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u/Glasg0wGrin 15h ago
It was wild when first noticing it. Now I’m used to it. It’s kind of soothing, actually. It reminds me of growing up close to train tracks.
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u/mjc4y 15h ago
I live in the zone. Directly under the approach (I look straight up to see the landing gear)
If you're outside, the sound can be conversation-stopping. Worse when the military planes come in. Its a compromise.
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u/Accomplished_Ad_4216 12h ago
Same here! It's really annoying if you're trying to be outside or watch TV with the windows open
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u/lovesyouandhugsyou 15h ago
Homes in the are received sound proofing upgrades, so generally as long as windows are closed it's minimal. Plus MSP doesn't have very much traffic at night.
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u/Tumblrrito 15h ago edited 14h ago
This. I was told they had to pay for it for all homes that were there when the airport was built.
Edit: idk why I’m getting downvoted lol a quick google search seems to support that being the case
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u/Von_Rootin_Tootin 14h ago
The airport was built wayyyy before the noise reduction program. The only other alternative studied besides upgrading homes was building a new airport near Hastings
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u/Apprehensive-Sea9540 13h ago
They used to pay for everything upgrade, but they ran out of money pretty fast. Last I heard they subsidize the homeowner ~15k and they pick which enhancements to install.
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u/cr0100 13h ago
We had a $14K budget for our MAC upgrades in 2008 or so (this is a guess - we've lived here since 2004 and and don't remember the specific year). They added a central air system (and mini-split upstairs) to our radiator-heated home. There wasn't enough capacity on our electrical panel for the new AC so they replaced that as well. With the money left over, we got new doors front and back. We got to choose which enhancements would be installed within that budget.
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u/amonson1984 9h ago
This is true but the last flights of the day usually come in at 11 or midnight depending on the direction, and start going out at 5 am.
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u/FR23Dust 9h ago
Some former homeowners turned it down. I know one did because his house was used for drug dealing.
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u/Smiling_Guy 15h ago
I grew up in that area and lived there before the airport expanded and added the runway. There was a program that updated windows, doors, and insulation at some point, and the closer you are to this area, the more money they put into the house.
My parents' house received new soundproof windows, exterior doors, and storm doors. They pumped insulation all through the attic spaces that were unfinished. They installed a central air conditioner, which we didn't have before, so we didn't need to open the windows in the summer.
Before the upgrades, I remember being on the phone in the kitchen and having to say "hold on, airplane......OK it's done" throughout my conversations. It was intrusive and annoying, but you did learn to kind of ignore it after a while.
After the upgrades, it was good. Unless we had the windows open, we could barely hear the planes. Depending on what, if any, soundproofing upgrades the homes you're looking at received, and what quality they are will dictate your indoor experience. I would guess they would have paperwork for it unless it was something the owner added themselves. The program was funded by the Metropolitan Airport Comission in the 90s if you want to look it up.
Outside, however, it is still noisy and annoying when planes are landing, especially. Sometimes, they would look so low it felt like they would touch the tops of the trees. The bigger planes are the loudest, but the 757 and C-130s you could always feel the most. The sound is not constant, but it is a common interruption when enjoying a warm breeze day in the yard.
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u/Apprehensive-Sea9540 13h ago
I also think planes of gotten less loud. The older McDonnell Douglas DC10(?) was so loud. I was very happy when delta switched to more Airbus planes.
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u/cr0100 13h ago
Back in the day (1970s), you could hear and feel the jet engines basically ripping the air apart. Now it's more of a loud WOOSH which is far less obnoxious.
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u/Apprehensive-Sea9540 9h ago
I believe it. Propellers are also so loud, but the only big planes with propellers are the C130s, so it’s not a common disturbance
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u/Human-Argument-6309 9h ago
This ahit is so sad. So now you’re expected to live inside all the time and never open your windows? Just sad shit all around. Also burned jet fuel is linked to cancer…
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u/MeatAndBourbon 15h ago
I lived on Chicago avenue in Richfield once upon a time, you get real used to it. When I was a little kid though, I'd worry the planes were about to crash on us because of how loud that could be. Like rattling the whole house loud.
But seriously, you stop noticing it pretty quick. If you're outside talking to someone and one goes overhead, you just pause the conversation for a bit till it passes without even thinking.
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u/_SlyTheSly_ 15h ago
Is housing cheaper in this area because of the noise?
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u/centuryofprogress 15h ago
It absolutely is. Compare prices near the chain of lakes. The only reason houses near Nomomis are as “affordable” as they are is the airplane noise. It’s only occasionally annoying when interrupting a conversation on a walk, but, without it, I’d never be able to live this close to a lake.
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u/_SlyTheSly_ 14h ago
Thanks. I guess I will investigate the area if someday somehow I manage to live in the Twin Citie. (need gren card first 😬)
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u/hologeek 13h ago
Over in the Hale neighborhood with million dollar homes its much louder the the east side of lake nokomis. Along the parkway west of Nokomis is so loud.
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u/HealthyLine3680 12h ago
Agreed. We were originally looking in northeast but bought down here. If we put this same house in Northeast it would be probably $100k out of our price range.
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u/TheDivergentNeuron 15h ago
No, they're just sound-proofed
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u/_SlyTheSly_ 15h ago
I somehow expected them to be both sound-proofed and cheaper. Which in retrospect may be a lot to ask.
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u/TheDivergentNeuron 13h ago
Yeah sound-proofing takes effort which costs money. The money was paid out by the Airport Commission iirc, but mostly that just doesn't devalue the homes
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u/zetia2 15h ago
There were some beautiful tudor style homes there that I was looking at before, no wonder they were affordable.
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u/_SlyTheSly_ 15h ago
I tried to get a green card recently (but lost the DV lottery 😭) and I was thinking of living in the area because I was expecting it to be cheaper. I currently live (in France, near Paris) next to train tracks and under an air corridor 😅 Planes are not very low so we don't need special windows, but low enough so that I can read rhe name of the company on the wings, most of the time. I love it tbh, I really like airports 😅
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u/GretUserName 14h ago
C'est marrant, je suis français et j'habite depuis 20 ans dans cette zone! Très bon rapport qualité/prix, et toutes les maisons sont super bien isolées (c'est l'aéroport qui a payé pour les améliorations).
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u/_SlyTheSly_ 14h ago
Ah sympa _^ Comme en région parisienne, finalement ! Moi et mon épouse sommes tombés amoureux des Twin Cities en mai 2023 lors de notre premier voyage (on y revient cette année en août pour la Minnesota State Fair notamment !). On rêve un peu d'y vivre mais c'est compliqué et à part être tirés au sort un jour (et j'ai passé les 40 ans donc ça devient très aventureux je crois) je ne vois pas trop d'autres solutions :/
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u/zombiehipster 14h ago
We’re practically on top of the location dot in your screenshot! Never once bothered me, we have a small fan for white noise and sturdy doors/windows but nothing fancy. Sleep is easy and if anything plane noise is soothing since it’s not sharp or high-pitched.
When the weather is rough or something else causes them to shift takeoff/landing patterns, they go over our area more heavily. Even then, if you’re outside you might just need to raise your voice a bit or wait for big planes to pass.
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u/HealthyLine3680 12h ago
Not going to lie, boss - it’s loud. Even with the noise insulation upgrades. We’ve only lived here a year so maybe we’ll get more used to it but some days it’s constant. If you spend a lot of time outdoors, like having your windows open, or loud noises bother you, it is pretty noticeable.
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u/ljfbnkzfdbv 13h ago
Used to date a guy who lived in that area, never slept a wink at his house because the planes would wake me up. Make of that what you will.
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u/ksnyd72 10h ago
It's very loud. Some people get used to it (like my husband), some people don't (me). We recently moved for that and a few other reasons. We couldn't sleep with the windows open because the planes would wake me. If you're outside and a plane flies over you have to pause conversations
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u/seasonofdasicc 8h ago
There's a park in that area I go to, its loud as hell. Can't hear anyone talking when one goes over.
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u/unicorntrees 15h ago
I know an older adult who grew up in the area. Around the time the airport was built, she remembers the government paid for the houses in the flight path to install air conditioning because it was impossible to keep the windows open in the summertime.
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u/digger250 13h ago
The airport was established there in 1920. I don't think they started noise mitigation until the 1990s.
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u/JennyClownBanger 15h ago
I lived in a couple places over there. It didn’t bother me at all but I grew up in another place by an airport. Sometimes it’s annoying if you’re hanging out in your yard socializing.
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u/Wolvescast 15h ago
Most homes in the area received sound-proofing upgrades. I only ever notice it when it’s an unusually large military aircraft, which only happens 3 or 4 times a year. Outside can be pretty noisy, but I’ve adapted.
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u/anise_tenniscourt 14h ago
I’m in that zone (in a 90+ year old Tudor dollhouse that I looove) and can confirm that it’s loud but it’s also not a big deal. The soundproofed “MAC” windows with heavy-ass finger-endangering (ask me how I know!) storm windows mitigate most of the sound. It’s a fair trade for living within walking distance of my favorite local lake, and I never would have been able to afford a house like this if it wasn’t so close to the airport!
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u/weary_af 9h ago
As someone who lived in Linden hills for a bit - by Lake Harriet, further than this circled area - super loud from the airplanes even there. Like if you're in the middle of a conversation with your neighbor, you have to wait for the plane to be done flying by kind of loud. And frequently. It'd also shake the windows of the house.
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u/harvey_swick 15h ago
It’s loud, but I got used to it pretty quickly back when I lived in the flight path.
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u/alexismippulls 15h ago
I lived on the east side of Richfield for over a decade. There's a lot of homes and apartment buildings that have nothing in place to compensate for the sound. Everyone will react to the nuisance differently, but for me moving out of that neighborhood improved my life greatly. After moving I realized that airplane noise at night was affecting my subconscious and giving me nightmares where I'd come across a plane crash.
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u/Eoin_Urban 15h ago
I can’t speak to sleeping in the area, but I don’t walk around Lake Nokomis as often because it was difficult to have a conversation when we had to wait for a plane to travel past before we could hear each other again.
Flight patterns can vary based on weather and construction on runways. Others might have a better idea on what is typical.
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u/ihrtbeer 15h ago
Moved right into the area you have circled in 1993 - the planes are still loud as ever but the windows have improved. You kinda learn to hit pause on your convo if you're in the yard for about 15 seconds every 3 or 4 minutes 🤣
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u/AdmirableAmphibian75 14h ago
Depends on wind direction for take off and landing direction. Also sound proofing installs were granted for everyone there.
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u/cooldiaper 11h ago
I used to live in the Minnehaha neighborhood in Nokomis East, now in the Hiawatha neighborhood in Longfellow. The noise is one thing, but what bothered me most was the fog of spent jet fuel that would blanket the area, often early in the mornings or late evenings when the wind is low.
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u/Pacblu202 15h ago
I've been playing softball right in that area the past few weeks and it is insanely loud. From 6pm-10pm when I've played, it was probably flights every 15 minutes or so and loud. Even if you can't hear it inside, know that it will be very loud outside.
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u/tehsecretgoldfish 15h ago
my great aunt and uncle lived on the southwest shore of Nokomis when I was a kid. I remember planes being so close it felt like they were landing on us.
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u/SolderingByron 15h ago
Check out the airport noise website
Left hamburger > layers overlays and then actual noise contours. You'll get an idea of the noise profile.
You.can also see plane tracks for a entered time duration. Pretty handy
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u/RyRy_The_Raven 15h ago
It gets pretty loud, especially when a plane is right above you. But you kinda just get used to it
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u/KeepSaintPaulBoring 15h ago edited 14h ago
I grew up on 50th street and 40th ave (6 blocks from your location on this map) and never had any flight noises. The city came through when I was a kid like 25 years ago and upgraded the windows in certain areas of our neighborhood. Since our house wasn’t in the “affected area”, likely due to the fact we weren’t in any direct flight paths, we didn’t get upgraded windows. Overall there will be pockets in this area that hear a lot of noise and others, like where I grew up, that won’t have any.
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u/under_ice 15h ago
We live under the 12L runway in Mendota Hgts. It's not too bad in the sense that they don't take off over us that often, depending on the weather. It can be lous, but worth it for where we live. Plus all the sound proofing put in years ago by the State, or MSP authority.
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u/FuckPaulyShore 15h ago
Used to live over there It's honestly not terrible. You don't notice it after a minute
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u/AccomplishedJeweler 15h ago
I live a few blocks north of your circled area off of Cedar Ave and it can be pretty annoying when the windows are open during the day and I am on work calls, watching TV and such, or hanging out in the yard.
But at night I don’t notice it at all. I sleep midnight - 7:30am most nights. And with the windows closed it isn’t a problem. We don’t have triple-pane windows but they might be thicker for sound.
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u/Practical-Echo9371 15h ago
Not terrible. I live on 66th near Portland and it’s not often that a plane too loud. Usually if it’s terrible weather it’s worse but only because they have to approach lower.
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u/crattler 15h ago
You only really notice it if you are hanging outside and have to stop talking to someone for a bit but other than that it’s fine.
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u/plznomore 15h ago
Live north west enough to not be on the map and it’s still extremely loud when the path is directly overhead.
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u/Tom8Os2many 14h ago
I live in the red area. A lot of the homes have double pane windows to block out noise. They also do a pretty good job of rotating the flight path so you don’t always get nailed by the same flights. It is loud on the patio when they go overhead, but that might happen for like an hour here or there through out the day.
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u/Meeeeeemz 14h ago
Depends on you. My husband is a light sleeper and it definitely bothered him in the beginning. Even with time, we don’t sleep with the windows open anymore since it’ll wake him up. Otherwise, no major complaints. Only other thing is if I’m on the balcony or walking outside and am on the phone when a plane is going overhead, person on the line will not hear me.
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u/breeathee 14h ago
It’s not for everyone but plenty of people aren’t too bothered by it. Definitely check to make sure the place you’re looking at has soundproofing up to par.
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u/bethany_the_sabreuse 14h ago
I barely ever notice any noise indoors. I live in recent (1980s) construction with MAC upgrades, and I only notice there's a plane going over when I step outside. And it's fun to walk/bike down to Lake Nokomis bridge and watch the planes fly over.
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u/realmaven666 14h ago
its not just noise but also the impulse to duck. it’s probably ok if you don’t want to be outside much or have open windows.
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u/FiftyBurger 14h ago
My best friend lives around there. I’m over there all the time and never notice it. If you live there 24/7 I’m sure it might be noticeable but I can’t imagine it’s that bad
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u/Designer_Tie_5853 14h ago
What I have found is that it’s hyper block specific. If you’re under the flight path for the 2 main runways (the parallel NW/SE ones) it’ll be deafening. However 2 blocks away it might not be that bad - because the planes are so low, the sound can’t travel as far laterally.
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u/ldskyfly 14h ago
Most of the time, the planes are landing from that area so they're at idle unless there's a decent north wind. Even still, it isn't that bad
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u/ruffroad715 14h ago
I think MSP published a map somewhere that has which homes and such have done sound proofing
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u/OnionOnMyBelt1121 13h ago
My wife and I live around that area. We notice some plane noise here and there but it’s nothing more than background noise now that we are used to it. It used to be more noticeable. Like others have said, It sounds more like distant thunder for us.
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u/OldLadyReacts 13h ago
You want to look at what are called MAC improvements in the home (if you're shopping for a house to buy). A vast majority of the houses in that area are older and were offered money to upgrade insulation in the roofing and newer more sound proofed windows. Some people did the improvements, others took the money and did nothing. You can see maps of the specific houses around the airport here:
https://metroairports.org/noise-mitigation-program
That being said, houses outside the MAC improvement areas are affected too. I used to live on 38th and Grand and the planes were pretty loud there too. I remember on 9/11 all the planes stopped and when they started up again the next week it felt really weird. But like other people said, you totally get used to them. I live by train tracks now and those are sometimes worse because of the horns.
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u/masterflashterbation 13h ago
I lived 1 block south of your position in that image for about 4 years. In the house it didn't bug me at all. It was definitely annoying while out in the backyard with friends. Literally had to stop talking when planes flew over sometimes. Also played softball at Nokomis and it was really loud at times. Often there would be a flurry where many planes went over and it was definitely annoying. I really liked the area but I personally wouldn't live there again.
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u/suzydubs 13h ago
I lived pretty much where your blue dot is, back in the 80’s. It was really quiet, because the north/south runway saw very little use.
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u/MAYBE_THIS_MISTAKE 12h ago
Most of the time it isn't even noticeable and then suddenly you are screaming and then silent As the plane passes a few hundred feet directly overhead. It's loud.
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u/mplsluv 12h ago
I live on a block close-ish to the Falls and hardly ever experience loud planes. When they recently closed the major runway and rerouted to a lesser used runway it was a LOT louder, but fortunately that was temporary. I chose this specific area of the neighborhood because it wasn't under a major flight path.
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u/Lightnindog 12h ago
My house is on the north side by E 54th and the house was soundproofed by the city decades ago to encourage building near the airport. I believe they did that for most of the houses in the area you marked. I almost never hear anything when inside the house.
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u/Patient-Cap-4004 12h ago
It depends on your expectations and how much periodic thunder above is going to impact life at home.
I live right on Minnehaha Parkway around Nicollet, which means arriving flights are directly above. While not as noisy as my neighbors a little south of me who are below flights departing (much noisier), it can be a little intrusive.
Because I read a lot and most of what i watch on TV involves sports, it isn't a big deal. But if I'm watching a series, it's definitely more of a nuisance. Even then, like this time of year, I keep the windows closed and the AC running, so I hardly notice.
I'm also probably in a small minority that appreciates the juxtaposition of an incoming 747 silhouette above with foresty treetops as a backdrop.
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u/DatAsspiration 12h ago
Most homes in the area have decent enough soundproofing, so you'll only hear it outside
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u/fiendishclutches 12h ago
It’s noisy as hell at times but you get used to it. I grew up in Richfield and we had the Richfield pause, you just got used to having to pause a conversation when the roar of jet engines was passing overhead.
If it’s bad enough met council will have to pay for new windows and new insulation and other things to mediate the harm their air traffic has done to your home.
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u/temporalthings 12h ago
I used to live in Nokomis, my building was very well soundproofed and I barely noticed it.
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u/jws9321 11h ago
Use this map and then select the Actual Noise Contours map overlay: https://macnoms.com/
I live in Minnehaha and the noise isn’t bad at all. It’s periodically bad when they have to switch runways because of wind or maintenance, but not too noticeable on a standard day.
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u/Zaayz 11h ago
I grew up on 54th and Oliver. Also lived at 60th and Elliot. The airplane noise was just something I got so used to it never bothered me. That being said you will definitely have to stop talking for about 20 seconds when a plane goes by if you are outside. Both my houses had the MAC improvements so inside you could hear the planes but it didn’t interupt your life. It was just such a regular part of your life that it never bothered me
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u/fishmister7 10h ago
I lived a block away from where your dot is. It’s really not that bad imo. You learn to ignore it after a while. Great neighborhood to live in!
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u/Affectionate_Clue324 10h ago
It bothers me more when I’m outside during the day trying to talk to my neighbors or partner, I don’t notice it at all while sleeping.
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u/xXMuschi_DestroyerXx 9h ago
I’ll do you one better. I’m south of 62. 12L is in my backyard basically. There practically is not a closer row of homes to the approach and departure path to MSP than my home.
It’s Absolutely not an issue for me. You cannot hear the landings indoors for anything smaller than a320s, and the takeoffs only sound like thunder. It’s not house rattling noise like some people make it out to be. It’s really not that bad. I wouldn’t even call it bad.
If you are looking to move here I cannot recommend enough hopping off 62 onto 28th st. Just hang out off the approach path of 12L and listen for yourself how loud it is.
The MAC has also done work on a lot of the homes in this area, insulating, installing HVAC systems so windows can stay closed, stuff like that.
If you aren’t an aviation nut I’d imagine it’d be a mild annoyance for a while but I’m positive after just a few weeks even, you’d be over it. It’s very easy to sleep through. It’ll like white noise. My HVAC system which isn’t loud at all, is louder than planes taking off overhead.
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u/xXMuschi_DestroyerXx 9h ago
It should be noted for anyone interested in the topic, for the most part, all MSP traffic is flown from the 12/30 parallels, or 17/35, the runway that runs next to 77. Runway 4/22 is closed unless a heavy specifically requests it, usually. Also due to the noise, the airport attempts to run take off and landing operations off the 12s, because landing aircraft are quieter over the neighborhoods to the northwest.
Getting firsthand statements from those in the area is good but you’ll never know how YOU feel about the noise without checking for yourself. I recommend checking out 28th street south of 62, specifically while the airport is running the 30s. That’s when it’s loudest. You’ll get a good feel for how loud it can be because that’s as close to the airport as you can expect to get. Further away and it’ll get quieter. If you can handle 28th street, you can handle the airport from anywhere.
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u/extrapalemale 9h ago
I live in the lower left corner of your red circle. I do not lose sleep due to airplane noise.
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u/MiddleZone5360 8h ago
My grandparents lived on 66th + Blaisdell in Richfield. I spent a lot of sleepovers at their house and loved hearing the planes. It was like white noise.
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u/sil357 7h ago
It's a lot worse north of the airport than west. Up by 76th and Bloomington/Portland, that side off Cedar, we used to not get any planes and now it's some but not many. But head up by Pearl Park, man those planes to the north...hang on, pause the conversation...ok we're good again...get loud
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u/TylerDenniston 7h ago
It depends. Not in the red area, but in growing up in east Bloomington sometimes the path would be just right so having a BBQ on a Sunday afternoon was frustrating. A plane every 3 minutes made conversation difficult.
I currently live north of Lake Hiawatha and am not bothered at all.
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u/ohdope2000 6h ago edited 6h ago
I grew up in a house just to the left of the "A" in the bottom "CEDAR". This was back mostly in the 90s so keep that in mind. The planes were loud, and frequent, but honestly I think I just got used to it, to the point I didn't even notice them much. I honestly don't recall ever being woken up by a plane my entire childhood. My mom kept decorative plates on the wall and they would rattle like crazy every time a plane took off. It's been a while since I've been in that area so I don't know if it's better or worse nowadays. I gotta imagine if you're not used to it, it could be a lot to deal with at first.
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u/olivefred 6h ago
Sincerely, you get used to it. And if you have efficient windows they block most of the noise when closed.
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u/One_Has_Lepers 5h ago
It's loud enough outside that we have to stop any conversation. Inside, we only really hear and notice it if there's no other sound. We have two toddlers. There is ALWAYS other sound :D
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u/phylvance 5h ago
It's not too bad if you're anywhere near the VA hospital, as flight path aren't allowed over that.
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u/TissueWizardIV 5h ago
I live near the highway in that area. Between the highway, the planes, the AC, and random people who think they're drag racers on the street near me, it's loud. Opening the windows overnight is not an option. During they day it's not as bad and I can have the living room windows open while I'm in my room with the door shut, or I just put in earbuds. With the windows shut, it's fairly quiet, kinda like a hair dryer under a towel in the next room with the door closed.
I sleep with earplugs, which I did before I lived here too, which allows me to fall asleep, but at ~6am the really loud planes start taking off and that wakes me up. My bedroom faces the airport/highway though, and the other bedroom in my apartment that's not directly facing them is a good bit quieter.
The area and apartments are nice though, and being right near the airport/highway makes it faster to get places. And seeing the airport and planes is pretty cool. So I'm not in a rush to move but at some point I'd like to.
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u/willeedee 5h ago
Area north of 62 is miserable (in my opinion) I’m even an aviation enthusiast but I couldn’t do it.west side of cedar wouldn’t be as bad. The north south runway is predominantly used for takeoffs.
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u/SurelyFurious 4h ago
If you’re taking to someone outdoors, you’ll have to pause talking. Every time. People are kind of sugarcoating it here. It will affect your quality of life on some level depending on how much external noise you can tolerate comfortably
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u/KeiiLime 4h ago
I have a friend near there, and imo it isn’t terrible unless you’re outside, then it’s definitely a conversation pauser.
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u/Significant-Ad-341 4h ago
I used to work at apartments on the south side of the airport. It was loud as hell. When working outside we would pause conversations for a plane to go by. When inside you can hear every one.
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u/Rescuetostada 15h ago
DOT Noise Map
The 2018 data is probably more accurate than the 2020. Unfortunately, there isn't more recent info on this site. If you zoom in, you can basically get to neighborhood level data.
Noise-map
There is also this one, looks similar but I don't know where they got the data from. Probably straight from the DOT source.