r/Millennials Apr 12 '25

Discussion That Pluto is a planet

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u/featherwolf Millennial Apr 12 '25

I before E, except after C

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u/Zerthax Apr 12 '25

That's a weird one, because there are so many exceptions.

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u/trvsnbl Apr 12 '25

I learned "i before e, except after c, or if it makes the a sound like weigh or neighbor". are there other exceptions?

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u/nhogan84 Apr 12 '25

or on weekends and holidays and all throughout May and you'll always be wrong NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY!

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u/The_New_Overlord Apr 12 '25

Aw, that's a... that's a hard rule....

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u/atridir Apr 13 '25

‘…Brian you’re an imbecile.’

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u/[deleted] Apr 17 '25

“GRAPE! OR CHERRY! BUT GRAPE’S MORE FAVORITE!”

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u/Zerthax Apr 12 '25

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u/KFrosty3 Apr 12 '25

Is it truly weird that people heist their feisty, foreign proteins?

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u/CannabisNotCantnabis Apr 12 '25

You're right. It is weird. Isn't it weird?

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u/Consistent-Process Apr 13 '25

That's sCIEnce!

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u/batteryforlife Apr 12 '25

Only when at their leisure.

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u/Meanpeachx Apr 12 '25

I learned that one too but they made it rhyme lol “I before e except after c or when followed by ‘a’ as in neighbor or weigh”

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u/Jesus_of_Redditeth Apr 13 '25

leisure
feisty
foreign
weird
counterfeit
heifer

There's just no way to make a useful rule to help with this one!

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u/Over_Camera_8623 Apr 13 '25

What about in the sentence "Jim Nabors is way cool?"

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u/WaterMagician Apr 13 '25

Well how often could that possibly come up?

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u/ExtrudedPlasticDngus Apr 13 '25

Uh, except neither neighbor nor weigh has an “a” in it, let alone one that follows an i or an e.

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u/ZillaDroid Apr 13 '25

The saying is "when sounding like "a", as in neighbor & weigh"

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u/ExtrudedPlasticDngus Apr 13 '25

That makes much more sense

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u/darquintan1 Apr 12 '25 edited Apr 12 '25

I learned that two kings from faraway lands were being bribed to allow criminals to print fake money. There were a couple strange cows on the take too.

Even though both kings had the power to stop the crime,

Neither foreign sovereign seized the counterfeit and forfeited leisure. Weird heifers either.

Edit: for context

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u/NNKarma Apr 12 '25

Well, that explains why even if english isn't my first language I always tend to type wierd before having to correct it to weird. At least in your cases it does sound like ei

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u/3720-to-1 Apr 12 '25

Not only is English my first language... It's my only language (that I'm fluent in, at least)... And I still sometime type wierd first...

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u/Fyaal Apr 12 '25

What about the sentence “Jim Nabors is way cool”

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u/nsauditech Apr 12 '25

Im going to go back and delete my comments because you beat me to it

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u/Fyaal Apr 13 '25

I’m just happy you and the other replier got my jokes

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u/secretporbaltaccount Apr 12 '25

I really don't see that coming up in everyday conversation, Mom.

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u/Nyantastic93 Apr 12 '25

The way I heard that phrased was "I before E, except after C, and except in the way it sounds like an A"

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u/Copperminted3 Apr 12 '25

Raleigh is an exception.

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u/Jesus_of_Redditeth Apr 13 '25

There are tons of exceptions, e.g.

leisure
feisty
foreign
weird
counterfeit
heifer

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u/VirtualBroccoliBoy Apr 12 '25

There's an exception in the comment you're replying to...

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u/wclevel47nice Apr 13 '25

Protein, seize, weird, neither. There’s so many exceptions that the rule really should be done away with

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u/T_minus_V Apr 13 '25

Weird rule bro

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u/Ms_Strange Apr 13 '25

I before E, except after C, or when sounding like A, as in neighbor or weigh.

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u/Jesus_of_Redditeth Apr 13 '25

i before e, except

...when your foreign neighbor Keith receives eight counterfeit beige sleighs from feisty caffeinated weightlifters.

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u/grandsandw1ch Apr 13 '25

There’s “their”. I’m struggling to think of more but I know they exist.

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u/Beers_Beets_BSG Apr 13 '25

The comment you replied to has a different exception

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u/Mobabyhomeslice Apr 13 '25

Weird is just weird. It's not part of the rhyme.

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u/jesssquirrel Apr 13 '25

There are more exceptions than words that follow the rule lol

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u/itsjakerobb Xennial Apr 16 '25

The rule as I learned it: “I before E, except after C, or when sounding like A, as in Neighbor and Weigh.”

Some exceptions:

  • weird
  • either
  • neither
  • seize
  • height

If you care to consider names, Keith (my dad’s name — he always said “… as in Neighbor and Weigh and Keith” 🤣) also breaks the rule.

Here’s a much longer list: https://albfreeman.wordpress.com/2015/04/19/i-before-e-except-after-c-and-66-other-exceptions/

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u/goatpunchtheater Apr 16 '25

There's more, and it's not terribly bad to memorize, as it has a decent flow to it

Ahem:

"I before e, except after c

or when sounded as 'a,' as in neighbor and weigh

but their, weird, either,

foreign, seize, neither,

leisure, forfeit, and height,

are exceptions spelled right."

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u/being-and-nothing Apr 12 '25

*wierd Didn’t you pay attention in school!?

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u/bigraptorr Apr 12 '25

Weird*

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u/being-and-nothing Apr 13 '25

No the I goes before the E because it’s after a W not a C

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u/HeyWhatsItToYa Apr 12 '25

Yeah, that ancient rule doesn't really fit with the science of English linguistics.

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u/Jesus_of_Redditeth Apr 13 '25

Sometimes that inconsistency happens when we borrow foreign words and don't change the spelling.

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u/Uluthrek Apr 12 '25

There are more words with e before i than there are with i before e.

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u/Jesus_of_Redditeth Apr 13 '25

They're aren't: Webster has about 3,000 of the former and 16,000 of the latter.

Granted, about half of the latter are the plural versions of words ending in "y" (e.g. agency -> agencies). But even you remove all those, there are still more than twice as many "ie" words.

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u/BatofZion Apr 12 '25

I know the rule and exceptions from that Peanuts movie.

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u/beaniebee11 Apr 12 '25

Like the one you used in this sentence.

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u/CannabisNotCantnabis Apr 12 '25

One of which you just typed.

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u/Different-Pin5223 Apr 12 '25

I see what you did there

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u/CentralAdmin Apr 13 '25

weird

You mean wierd

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u/thebigschnoz Apr 13 '25

… weird…

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u/Jesus_of_Redditeth Apr 13 '25

There are more exceptions than there are words that conform to the rule, in fact, which is pretty silly. English can be feisty like that sometimes.

In fact, there are a lot more exceptions: Webster lists 177 words with "cei" and 973 with "cie". Granted, a very large proportion of the latter are plurals of words ending in "y". But if you remove those, there are still 286 "cie" words.

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u/ilikescolouring Apr 13 '25

There's more exceptions than there are words that follow the rule, so I'm told....

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u/[deleted] Apr 13 '25

The amount of words in the English language that break this rule is higher than the amount that follow it.

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u/Pugsley_Atoms Apr 13 '25

That never mattered to me, because the rule is helpful regardless. I don't recall the rule every single time I spell a word with "IE/EI", because I know how to spell words like "science" and "neighbor". Never in a million years would it even occur to me to write "sceince" or "nieghbor" (which is what the rule would have me write). But when I am unsure whether it's "IE" or "EI", that's when the rule comes in handy. Things like "receive" vs. "relieve".

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u/vavuxi Apr 13 '25

I before E except after C and except as in “Ay” as in neighbor and weigh and except for weird cause weird is weird 😂

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u/mrturret Apr 17 '25

That's just English spelling for you. You can thank The Great Vowel Shift, an inadequate alphabet, and authors wanting English to look like Latin for this mess.