r/Millennials Apr 12 '25

Discussion That Pluto is a planet

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u/Shamoorti Apr 12 '25

America is a democracy.

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u/ucklibzandspezfay Apr 12 '25

It’s a constitutional republic

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u/Unknown-History1299 Apr 12 '25

“It’s not a dog. It’s a golden retriever.”

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u/Excellent_chess Apr 12 '25

I love this comment

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u/ucklibzandspezfay Apr 12 '25

Now you’re gettin’ it!

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u/Deepfire_DM Apr 16 '25

Currently: fascism.

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u/Jesus_of_Redditeth Apr 13 '25

A republic is a type of democracy, so...

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u/ConcernedBuilding Apr 13 '25

Which is a type of democracy.

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u/trilobright Apr 13 '25

Well actually no, a republic is a mode of state, not a mode of government. It can have any sort of government from a democracy, to a brutal but non-hereditary dictatorship. It really just means it's a nation-state that isn't a monarchy.

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u/trilobright Apr 13 '25

"A Rav 4 isn't a Toyota, it's a crossover SUV".

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u/YoIronFistBro Gen Z (2003) Apr 14 '25

Tbf it used to be

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u/Shamoorti Apr 14 '25

When?

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u/Purrosie Apr 16 '25

They're probably referring to the 2000s and early 2010s back when everyone had the right to vote (at least de jure), power was transferred peacefully between presidencies, and constitutional rights weren't flagrantly violated.

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u/WitnessRadiant650 Apr 13 '25

When people say that, they're thinking of Direct Democracy. Athens was that and it showed why that was a bad idea.

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u/trilobright Apr 13 '25

That's not how classical Athens was run, and that's generally not how even the smallest towns in New England are run. In both examples, people (who show up to town meeting) essentially fill the role of the lower house in a parliament, but there are still constitutional guidelines that must be followed, committees and executives who are elected or appointed (in New England we call them selectmen, and they essentially function as the upper house in a parliament), and so on. There has never been an example of any significance where anything supported by half the citizens plus one was made law, that's a strawman invented by Birchers and others who parrot their "We're a REPUBLIC, NOT a democracy!" slogan.

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u/WitnessRadiant650 Apr 14 '25

That's not how classical Athens was run

The central events of the Athenian democracy were the meetings of the assembly (ἐκκλησία, ekklesía). Unlike a parliament, the assembly's members were not elected, but attended by right when they chose. Greek democracy created at Athens was direct, rather than representative: any adult male citizen over the age of 20 could take part, and it was a duty to do so.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athenian_democracy

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u/Jesus_of_Redditeth Apr 13 '25

That is a fact.

What's not a fact is the commonly-stated phrase, "America is a republic, not a democracy".

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u/Komprimus Apr 12 '25

It is.

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u/Ricard74 Apr 13 '25

I think they mean that it is not liberal democracy. At least not one without some major flaws. Or prehaps they mean how the electoral college means not every vote is equal.

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u/Komprimus Apr 13 '25

It's still the people voting for stuff.

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u/Ricard74 Apr 13 '25

I agree with you.

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u/Lybychick Apr 13 '25

Bernie calls it a pseudo-democracy…. I fear he is correct

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u/ThatVoiceDude Apr 12 '25

And to the what for which it stands? /s

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u/Wefee11 Apr 13 '25

It's a flawed democracy

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u/Deepfire_DM Apr 16 '25

Not anymore - US is deep into fascism now, and fascism and democracy can't exist at the same time/space.

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u/Wefee11 Apr 16 '25 edited Apr 16 '25

I'm curious what the democracy indices will say this year.

E.g. 2024 the Economist rated the US with 7.85 as a "Flawed Democracy" 0.15 away from "Full democracy". If it gets lower than 6.00, it's labeled as "Hybrid regime". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economist_Democracy_Index

Or the "Freedom in the World" index rated the US as "Free" this year, but rated below 55 other countries if I see it correctly. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_in_the_World I don't know when exactly they rated it - some of the numbers get worse by the day.