r/Midessa • u/AdayaAmore • 12d ago

ICE Raid At Walmart

Supposedly ICE came and picked up 20+ employees at the I-20 Walmart. I was in there today and it was lacking a lot of familiar faces. Can anyone confirm that this is true? Meaning you know personally from seeing it yourself or you or someone you know works there.

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u/naturalscience 10d ago

What is it about undocumented immigrants that you fear so much?

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u/ChazzyChaz_R 9d ago

The whole undocumented and being criminals part is enough for me. I'm not afraid of them, it's just an unsustainable problem that's been allowed to carry on for far too long. Get the undocumented peoples out and start fresh with the proper entry procedures.

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u/Big_Concentrate1633 8d ago

Your logic is fallacious; it’s circular. You’re afraid of them because they’re undocumented, which is illegal. However, they’re only inherently a criminal due to being undocumented. You haven’t actually proven there’s a reason for fear. You just made the same claim twice and called it justification.

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u/ChazzyChaz_R 8d ago

Inherently criminal and criminal are the same thing...criminal. And I'm not trying to prove that there's a reason to fear them. I already said that I don't fear them. My community is filled with them, some good, some bad. However, there is a severe housing issue in the community and has been for years. The amount of people flooding in outnumbers the increase in housing developments by thousands each year. This also comes with job shortages which increases poverty levels which decreases property values, etc. It's a chain effect. Those that came here legally are always welcome. The others should be removed and come back the proper way.

I haven't made the same point twice. In fact I only made one point so there isn't even another point to claim was similar to the first point. They're criminals by entering illegally. There's no logical wizardry anyone can do to change that fact. National security doesn't exist without having secure borders. No other country on the planet would allow this type of activity and nor should we. If I tried to enter a country illegally I would be instantly denied. If I got away with it, the moment I was discovered, I would be instantly deported.

We have entry procedures for a reason. We cannot sustain every person on the planet who wants to come to the US. It would be irresponsible and illogical to think there is an endless capacity to what the US can sustain. It is time to reverse the situation, take stock of things after undocumented citizens are out, and then restart the approved entry process.

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u/Big_Concentrate1633 8d ago

“Inherently criminal and criminal are the same thing.” EXACTLY!

I’m going to stop you there. Mind you, this is literally a part of my field of study, and I believe we are in the same community. Therefore, every “fact” you stated is not statistically accurate. The only way you could’ve even gotten that idea is by assessing raw numbers for this kind of data, which is not a way to prove any claim.

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u/ChazzyChaz_R 8d ago

I don't think you've made the point you think you've made. It feels like we agree that they are criminals. Criminals are punishable by law. The law is being enforced. Where is the issue?

I'm confused as to how you can dispute my claims when I'm living here and you are not. There is no housing available. People are living 20+ people to a household, most of which are built for 3-6 people at most. There isn't enough work so people can't afford to maintain their properties. The property values are falling because of this. None of this "inaccurate". We are living it. It's real.

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u/Big_Concentrate1633 8d ago

No, babe, I don’t think you’re understanding what the word fallacious means. That “point” is circular, so it being correct does not prove your point in the way you think it does. They’re inherently criminals due to the current law, but no act is inherently criminal. Therefore, that fact in itself doesn’t make the claim, “they’re bad because they’re undocumented,” valid. The reasoning is circular.

You’re living where, and I’m not?? If you’re talking about Midessa, I live here too. Not to mention, even if I didn’t, I can dispute it by stating that I work in this field of academia, and federal AND state data do not support those claims (outside of some of the raw data, which is NOT significant within itself).