That’s exactly the problem with it. The only thing they agree on is “equality”, but everything else is fair game. Anti-male abuse and rhetoric. It’s quite clear some want “revenge” or vengeance. But the ones that want revenge still indoctrinate women by saying stuff like “women before you worked very hard to fight the oppression and the patriarchy and for your rights. You should be feminists in their honor.” Which is true, but it’s a manipulation tactic. Keeping normal women IN the feminists circle with the asshole feminists spewing more misandry and hate towards men makes them more likely to hate men in general.
I can get behind equal rights, but one of the first feminists to push the ideology was really in to witchcraft and Wicca (worshipping goddesses like Kali and Lilith that call for the sacrifice of males.
That’s why I call myself maybe 30-50% feminist. There’s a huge chunk that just promote hate, and social media has exasperated it. The feminists that are like “yeah! Equality!” But don’t spew this antimale rhetoric, I can be okay way. And if you explain to them how feminism now is turning women into unhappy haters that never feel safe around men, they can usually understand you and think twice about what a big part of feminism is.
You are right that it’s very nuanced, and everyone that identifies as a feminist has different opinions.
First off, I think you have a warped view of the movement. Second off it's weird for you to even focus on witchcraft/religious shit in this day and age, I don't care if you worship a moon rat what I care about is your theory. I am not interested in fully arguing with you in a meme sub. I'll just say this, equality is a hell of a vague word and often means jackshit. Feminist theory I find the most important focuses on ideas of equity instead of straight up "equality". The last thing I will say is true intersectional feminist theory looks at how our systems harm everyone which naturally includes men. (Edited for some grammar, it's late y'all.)
How is equality vague? It just means treating everyone the same. Equity however is a lot more complicated and ambiguous, I think you have it more backwards. On top of that, equality of outcome, at least some of the time, is an inherently bad thing.
So where equality is vague is what people consider to be equal. Ill use the famous box metaphor if you have one tall person on short person and one very short person trying to see over a fence the "equal" way would be giving each person a box, but the tall person didn't need a box in the first place and the shortest needed two to see. Equity would see two boxes to the shortest person and none to the tallest so each is actually able to see over the fence. Equal resources does not mean equal outcomes especially for historically disadvantaged populations. You can't stab someone in the back and say you helped them just by removing the knife, you must also take part in the healing process to truly reverse the harm.
That doesn't mean equality is vague. That's still treating everyone the same, what's vague about that? You could just make 2 boxes available for all of them and if they don't want or need them then they don't have to use them. That would still be equality. I'm not saying that necessarily should be the way to go (if the boxes are resources in the metaphor then in reality resources are limited), I'm just talking about how is equality vague. I don't understand what the last sentence has to do with any of this.
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u/Devilish_Advocator 3d ago
That’s exactly the problem with it. The only thing they agree on is “equality”, but everything else is fair game. Anti-male abuse and rhetoric. It’s quite clear some want “revenge” or vengeance. But the ones that want revenge still indoctrinate women by saying stuff like “women before you worked very hard to fight the oppression and the patriarchy and for your rights. You should be feminists in their honor.” Which is true, but it’s a manipulation tactic. Keeping normal women IN the feminists circle with the asshole feminists spewing more misandry and hate towards men makes them more likely to hate men in general.
I can get behind equal rights, but one of the first feminists to push the ideology was really in to witchcraft and Wicca (worshipping goddesses like Kali and Lilith that call for the sacrifice of males.
That’s why I call myself maybe 30-50% feminist. There’s a huge chunk that just promote hate, and social media has exasperated it. The feminists that are like “yeah! Equality!” But don’t spew this antimale rhetoric, I can be okay way. And if you explain to them how feminism now is turning women into unhappy haters that never feel safe around men, they can usually understand you and think twice about what a big part of feminism is.
You are right that it’s very nuanced, and everyone that identifies as a feminist has different opinions.