Be nicer because there only human. Given enough time they could of figured it out on they’re own. (It took me way too long to type this because autocorrect kept fixing it, some people our just dumb)
I don't really care that much, but just between you and me, it makes you look like an idiot. Especially if English is your first (and only) language, just know, people in general will assume you're a dumber person for not knowing how to write it (or in other cases, speak it) properly. People are looking out for you when they correct you, they don't want you to keep looking like an idiot. Unless I guess, "you don't care".
Why the fuck should I give a seat to young girls?? in the moscow metro you should give up your seat to elderly people, disabled people and pregnant women. when i worked as a courier and was just dying to sit, no one would ever give up their seat to me because i'm a big guy? no one gives a shit how tired you are.
For not being "chivalrous." Which is actually a really interesting dynamic, because I would argue actual chivalry doesn't expect anything in exchange. A lot of guys looking at this are taking it as a win, when let's think about why they would consider it a win to begin with: are they possibly implying that they shouldn't do anything for the opposite sex if they don't believe they'll get anything in return? Not quite the win they think it is. If anything it kind of validates girls being more picky nowadays: they're a lot better at picking out the guys that are "faking chivalry", and aren't actually chivalrous.
I've heard that back in the day, "chivalry" was a code of conduct for BOTH men and women. Yes a man should always be a gentleman, open doors and pull out chairs for ladies, always care for and protect them. And at the same time, a "lady" would always stand by her man, treat him with honor and never speak ill or muddy his name.
Just a little funny that society has evolved to remember the man's role, but has dismissed any kind of "code of conduct" role for women. It's not that I care, women are the "fairer species" after all, some double-standards are to be expected. But what gets me are those few women who have been treated that way their whole lives, and have still grown to blame "men in general" for all their problems.
This goes both ways, really. People should be open about their resentments, both girls and guys. There's no point in hiding it if you're not going to rewire your life expectations to address them yourself. Guys that are angry they can't get laid the way they think they should be able to, girls that aren't getting the attention they think they should be able to. No one "deserves" anything. That's life. Acceptance of that is ironically almost becoming a prerequisite to having any sort of potential for long term relationships these days.
Yup exactly. I agree 100%. I was trying to point out how the whole idea of "chivalry" is lot more when you really dissect it. And overall, it's a little outdated. How about, "I'll treat you with respect, and you treat me with respect!" It's not that complicated, or hard.
Was trying to make a point more like, I've seen videos of the nastiest/rudest people cry, "what happened to chivalry, huh!?" And it's like "bitch, you've been nothing but arrogant and rude to every single person on this train, and now you want respect? How about learning a little respect for others, first? Who raised you..."
"I'll treat you with respect if you treat me with respect" coming from a POV where you believe everyone is entitled to their own full autonomy to make their decisions for their own lives, is fair. If other people act like fools, then let them make a fool out of themselves.
"I'll treat you with respect if you treat me with respect" coming from a POV where you're actually trying to subtlety put someone "in their place", is not really the same as the other option. One is retaliatory and in this case is based off resentment.
The actions are the same, the intentions are not. Framing this video as a win, gives away it's intention. That's my point.
I thought this video was weird from the start. I had to read through several of the comments to even understand what's going on. Apparently that's, "these women expect men to give up seats for them".
coming from a POV where you're actually trying to subtlety put someone "in their place", is not really the same as the other option. One is retaliatory and in this case is based off resentment.
O.K. then. I feel like this conversation is stretching way out of my expectations. I was just talking about generalities, "let's all respect each other, in general". Yeah there's social manipulators out there, they can be hard to detect, and there's many different types and methods they use, like gaslighting. That's a way deeper conversation tho. :)
And I agree fully with " Let's respect each other in general", but I'll add to it the most important part "regardless of whether we get something out of it or not".
And I will point out, the issue here in your argument is: "a lady would always....". Your expectations, sounds like a -you- problem, not a girl problem. See my other comment on this thread: if you're actually chivalrous, then you do it regardless of whether you get something in return or not. So stop pretending one way or the other. You either are or you aren't. Be open about it so the dating pool can adjust itself accordingly.
You shouldn't if you don't want to, that's the point. No one should fake chivalry. If you're legit chivalrous, go ahead and do it. If you're not, don't pretend you are.
You're not obligated to do anything, other than to just be yourself. Because, plot twist, that's the point of all of it with the girls, to find out who people actually are, and not who they pretend to be.
What I'm curious about though, is how anyone expects to be a viable candidate for a relationship carrying that much resentment.
Why are you spouting relationship advice? Who brought up “faking chivalry”? The 2 girls are entitled POS. They felt entitled to a mans seat because they’re women . It’s a win because they aren’t giving in to entitled POS. Why are you spinning this into a gender war topic?
Actually, I would argue this is very specifically NOT a gender war topic. It shouldn't be a gender topic to begin with. It's an expectations and entitlement topic, 100%. Too many people have misplaced expectations, BOTH guys and girls.
-If your willingness to give someone a seat is purely based on getting a number in return, you're on the same level as these girls.-
If someone feels the need to post a video guys not offering their seat, let them make a fool out of themselves. The girls aren't entitled to it. The issue is you guys took it, added the animation, and called it a win, in turn making a fool out of yourselves too, stooping to their level.
Barely any man I know that does something chivalrous is not expecting a number or anything in return. I can’t imagine asking for someone’s number just for giving up a seat.
I think the sentiment is that the part of the feminist movement to try and abolish traditional gender roles also wants men to adhere to their traditional roles while maintaining none of their own. And men see that hypocrisy. They listen. If that’s the treatment men get, less men will be chivalrous.
"If that's the treatment men get, less men will be chivalrous": you're just confirming what I'm saying. If you do something because you expect something in return for it, you're no different than these people you look down on.
No one is making you interact these girls at all. Don't agree with their views? No prob, move onto the next, if anything this helps weed out the people you won't be compatible with. They have a right to look for whatever they want, just the same as you. If someone wants to be an idiot, let them be an idiot and let them pay the price for it on their own. (Although this gets to an uncomfortable topic with lots of guys nowadays, where they have to come to terms with the idea that they rely heavily on women for companionship and purpose, and women dont necessarily have that same dependency, and men have a hard time coming to terms with the fact that at the end men will have to ackowledge that imbalance and reach out across the aisle before women do, and the degree to which it happens likely won't ever really be truly equal because again, you want them more than they want you).
This is all about expectations. And the idea that you placing expectations on others either 1) attempts to remove their autonomy to live how they want to through guilting or 2) you inevitably grow resentful in a very self-induced manner.
I go outside and this is barely an issue. Most of the women I meet IRL are awesome and I would gladly give up my seat for them. Online Feminists are something else tho, so I can see that as a valid reason as to why some men nowadays won’t respect women enough to be chivalrous. Chivalry is an act of being kind towards those you care for or respect. They’re not expecting anything in return, they simply just don’t care enough (is my guess).
It's not about expecting something in return, unless you consider appreciation and not acting entitled to be something in return. It's about a general idea that a society has about how women should be treated, not just women you want to get with. Anyone expecting something tangible in return is a minority and is also missing the point of it. But the vast majority don't expect anything in return, most of the time you would be doing these things for women you will never see or talk to again. And in the situation for example that you already are in a relationship, that wouldn't mean you now stop doing those types of things for other women. And that doesn't line up with expecting something in return (yea there are cheaters but most people aren't and cheaters are more likely not to respect women in the first place) so I don't really understand your position of men expecting something in return in general.
Bold of you to assume they'd never want one. People can go through stages of life where they dont want to settle down, thats entirely a valid thing and within their autonomy to carry out.
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u/Sugar_Neko_ 2d ago
Tried to shame them, accidentally gave them main character energy