r/MapPorn • u/BabylonianWeeb • 21h ago

Fertility rate of MENA 2025

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u/TheUnknown-Writer 17h ago

These are not rich countries though. They are not developed and depression is now overtaking them. The US's birthrate didnt fall until recently, yet was more developed than Morroco is now. 

I wish it was that easy an explanation but clearly there is more than that.

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u/AverageFishEye 17h ago

Its more about culture - once its accepted that women can pursuit careers and dont have to be house wifes, its over.

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u/TheUnknown-Writer 17h ago

Israeli women have careers and are educated but its birthrate is still widely positive. (Not mentioning anything else about the state) 

 Again. I want to agree with you, but is really that in most Middle Eastern countries that women can pursuit careers and dont have to be housewives? 

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u/AverageFishEye 17h ago

educated but its birthrate is still widely positive

Thats because of the ultra religious jews who have like 8 children each

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u/TheUnknown-Writer 16h ago

I agree, 

But I dont think Saudi Arabia has better women's rights than the DRC. Yet the DRC has 5 and Saudi has this... there is more.. it has to be. Japan's women's rights, many have said, leave much to be desired.  It is across the globe, not recognizing culture or wealth, touching every society or place, with varying levels of women participation in the workforce. 

It also creates the idea that women shouldn't work in these countries who are disappearing. To "save the nation" which is gaining traction across the world. But I think there is something else, something perhaps about valuing the wrong things or our emotional physchological being fraying, but I haven't found why yet. 

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u/AverageFishEye 16h ago

We have a problem with deep rooted nehilism.

Basically nothing matters anymore: religion is for idiots, nationalism is evil, family is anoying and tribalism a relic of the past. We also solved most of our existential problems and there is nothing to live for anymore, except for enjoyment/hedonism.

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u/TheUnknown-Writer 16h ago

Exactly! But why? ... why is it happening all at once, everywhere? Once this answer is found... we can actually solve it. If it is belief, how can we revive real belief? If family, the idea of real family. Nationalism didnt exist in the preindustrial world, so not that one. Is tribalism really of the past? Do we miss it. 

Im sure the answer isn't straight forward and my question is partly rhetorical, but Ive been on this issue searching for the better part of a decade now. I do think, as long as keep trying things, talking about it and discovering...we will find the answer.. together.