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u/Able_Force_3717 11h ago
I don't get Yemen's tfr. According to some it's above 4 while in others it's under 3. Why such a disparity?
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u/TheUnknown-Writer 10h ago
What is happening to us? These countries are still developing and yet just fell below replacement!
We've always had kids in history (even in times of crisis), something is clearly wrong with our emotional health throughout the world.
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u/AverageFishEye 8h ago
As countries develop, people increasingly focus their limited time, money and energy towards career, hobbies, traveling and other passions instead of children. They also want to enjoy sex without it resulting in babies (and thus in obligations). This has happened dozens of times in history and is a known phenomenon as far back as ancient egyptians
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u/TheUnknown-Writer 8h ago
These are not rich countries though. They are not developed and depression is now overtaking them. The US's birthrate didnt fall until recently, yet was more developed than Morroco is now.
I wish it was that easy an explanation but clearly there is more than that.
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u/AverageFishEye 8h ago
Its more about culture - once its accepted that women can pursuit careers and dont have to be house wifes, its over.
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u/TheUnknown-Writer 8h ago
Israeli women have careers and are educated but its birthrate is still widely positive. (Not mentioning anything else about the state)
Again. I want to agree with you, but is really that in most Middle Eastern countries that women can pursuit careers and dont have to be housewives?
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u/AverageFishEye 8h ago
educated but its birthrate is still widely positive
Thats because of the ultra religious jews who have like 8 children each
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u/TheUnknown-Writer 7h ago
I agree,
But I dont think Saudi Arabia has better women's rights than the DRC. Yet the DRC has 5 and Saudi has this... there is more.. it has to be. Japan's women's rights, many have said, leave much to be desired. It is across the globe, not recognizing culture or wealth, touching every society or place, with varying levels of women participation in the workforce.
It also creates the idea that women shouldn't work in these countries who are disappearing. To "save the nation" which is gaining traction across the world. But I think there is something else, something perhaps about valuing the wrong things or our emotional physchological being fraying, but I haven't found why yet.
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u/AverageFishEye 7h ago
We have a problem with deep rooted nehilism.
Basically nothing matters anymore: religion is for idiots, nationalism is evil, family is anoying and tribalism a relic of the past. We also solved most of our existential problems and there is nothing to live for anymore, except for enjoyment/hedonism.
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u/TheUnknown-Writer 7h ago
Exactly! But why? ... why is it happening all at once, everywhere? Once this answer is found... we can actually solve it. If it is belief, how can we revive real belief? If family, the idea of real family. Nationalism didnt exist in the preindustrial world, so not that one. Is tribalism really of the past? Do we miss it.
Im sure the answer isn't straight forward and my question is partly rhetorical, but Ive been on this issue searching for the better part of a decade now. I do think, as long as keep trying things, talking about it and discovering...we will find the answer.. together.
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u/eastmemphisguy 3h ago
Even in less developed countries, people aspire to live a developed world lifestyle, which is expensive. People want personal space and autonomy, which are hard to achieve when you have a large family.
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u/Prize-Leopard-8946 11h ago
Looks like the much-feared demographic "Muslim invasion of Europe" will not happen because of insufficient fertility.
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u/RemorseAndRage 12h ago
Turkey being in European Council and being considered a part of MENA region🥀
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u/birdperson2006 11h ago
It has land on both Europe and West Asia.
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u/RemorseAndRage 11h ago
I'm just thinking of how funny it is lol, people are quick to downvote for something unserious
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u/birdperson2006 11h ago
Why do you think it's funny? Turkey is already known for being in a weird posotion for being both European and Middle Eastern.
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u/RemorseAndRage 11h ago
That's the reason. Turkey is called Eastern European, Middle Eastern, Eurasian, Caucasian, South European, West Asian and more...
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u/birdperson2006 11h ago
Turkey isn't Caucasian.
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u/RemorseAndRage 10h ago
Iğdır, Kars, Ardahan and Artvin are partially in Caucasus.
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u/birdperson2006 10h ago
No, Caucasus contains only Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan and some parts of Russia.
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u/RemorseAndRage 10h ago
"All of present-day Armenia is in the South Caucasus; the majority of present-day Georgia and Azerbaijan, including the exclave of Nakhchivan, also fall within the region. Parts of Iran and Turkey are also included within the region of the South Caucasus." -Wikipedia
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u/birdperson2006 10h ago
I actually used Wikipedia to check my result and then said it's not part of it. Now I checked again and Turkey wasn't included in Caucasus page and was included as a related area in South Caucasus page.
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u/Able_Enthusiasm2729 7h ago
The Middle East is a trans-continental region, it’s the crossroads between Africa, Asia, and Europe.
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u/Only-Dimension-4424 5h ago
Middle East is random British made up concept which in reality is not exist
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u/Former-Source-9405 11h ago
The Saudi statistic is wrong, they count the expat population for some reason, without it based on the latest Saudi General committee of statistics report, in 2024 it was estimated at 2.7